Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[airstream]

It was your words. Not mine.

The things is you rephrase my words with the sense you want in the situation which doesn't relate to the future.

 

[Netserk]

The things is you rephrase my words with the sense you want in the situation which doesn't relate to the future.

Did I mention the future?

 

[airstream]

Did I mention the future?

Yes, it was implied I think

 

[Netserk]

Yes, it was implied I think

Then it really isn't mentioned, is it?

 

[Angliru]

Is it quintessence his strength like a stage racer or evaluation criterion for the Tour?

What's more importand, final spot or gap?

The gap is an indication of where you stood in respect to the winner and those that finished ahead of you. Froome disappeared from view in the final week whether because he just gave up and coasted in or just succumbed to his fatigue. Contador continued to battle till the end. As much as you want to deny it you wouldn't allow yourself to give the rider that you despise credit over the current one who you support so this dialogue isn't going to go anywhere.

 

[airstream]

The gap is an indication of where you stood in respect to the winner and those that finished ahead of you. Froome disappeared from view in the final week whether fat because he just gave up and coasted in or just succumbed to his fatigue. Contador continued to battle till the end. As much as you want to deny it you wouldn't allow yourself to give the rider that you despise credit over the current one who you support so this dialogue isn't going to go anywhere.

I never disagreed with the fact that Contador did his GT combo better, but I don't see what about it can say in terms of coming Tour. The Vuelta simply showed that rider Contador was prepared significantly better compared to his reachable peak than rider Froome compared to his peak. The Vuelta didn't say that GC racer Contador is stronger than GC rider Froome in general. This question can get an answer only in the Tour. Vuelta was just one time GT chapter.

 

[Netserk]

I never disagreed with the fact that Contador did his GT combo better, but I don't see what about it can say in terms of coming Tour. The Vuelta simply showed that rider Contador was prepared significantly better compared to his reachable peak than rider Froome compared to his peak. The Vuelta didn't say that GC racer Contador is stronger than GC rider Froome in general. This question can get an answer only in the Tour. Vuelta was just one time GT chapter.

It showed that Contador has better recovery than Froome.

 

[ferryman]

It's a clinic jibe, he can't seem to help himself.

 

[airstream]

It showed that Contador has better recovery than Froome.

No, it's overly debatable on the level of some ample communiques like a rider A would crush anyone in a GT if he had form he had had a few years. There's no justification in this conclusion.

 

[ferryman]

I never disagreed with the fact that Contador did his GT combo better, but I don't see what about it can say in terms of coming Tour. The Vuelta simply showed that rider Contador was prepared significantly better compared to his reachable peak than rider Froome compared to his peak. The Vuelta didn't say that GC racer Contador is stronger than GC rider Froome in general. This question can get an answer only in the Tour. Vuelta was just one time GT chapter.

Oh please give it a break. I'm not sure you even believe yourself anymore. Go back to pretending to support my boy Schleck, at least then you weren't constantly spouting this anti-Contador nonsense. Dial it back.

 

[airstream]

Oh please give it a break. I'm not sure you even believe yourself anymore. Go back to pretending to support my boy Schleck, at least then you weren't constantly spouting this anti-Contador nonsense. Dial it back.

Someone simply takes 2 abstract years [with million of different circumstances in them] of experienced GC rider Contador and rider Froome, who learnt how to rider big races by leaps and bounds, tries to compare them, makes an univocal conclusion on such initially debatable question and serves it like the ultimate truth. Do you find it normal? Alright.

 

[R0BL4MBT0N]

I note the same bickering going on for pages and pages. Too lazy to scroll though... anyone have any info on the Spanish champs?

Did Contador ride? I know he didn't podium either RR or TT but that's it...

 

[Siriuscat]

Someone simply takes 2 abstract years [with million of different circumstances in them] of experienced GC rider Contador and rider Froome, who learnt how to rider big races by leaps and bounds, tries to compare them, makes an univocal conclusion on such initially debatable question and serves it like the ultimate truth. Do you find it normal? Alright.

STOOOOOPPPPPPP!!

enuff already!!

 

[Taxus4a]

It showed that Contador has better recovery than Froome.

I dont think so.

At least the Contador after sanction

Contador finished La Vuelta losing time with Valverde, that rode TdF.

He has more recovery than endurance, but anyway I think his recovery is overestimated.

 

[Taxus4a]

I dont know where to put this, but I think there is not a "previous" of the TdF, so here could be a good place:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rogers-ready-for-ninth-tour-de-france

"Personally, a victory by Alberto in the 2013 Tour de France would be a huge thrill and feel of achievement," Rogers said. "When you see how much passion and belief Alberto has day in and day out in what he is doing, it's impossible to not feel emotional. Like all great leaders he brings the best out of his team and I can't wait to get things going."

I agree in that way about Alberto.

I see myself as playing an important role in the last half of the race," Rogers explained. "Certainly in the high mountains and transition stages. The final week is looking to be the hardest."

It's not surprising that Rogers names former teammate Chris Froome (Sky) as one of Contador's main rivals for the top step on the podium come July 21 but also suggested that Alejandro Valverde (Movistar) with his top-10 finishes at the Tour de Romandie and the Dauphiné could not be discounted.

"I see Froome and Valverde as the biggest rivals," said Rogers. "Froome has been at a high level all year while Valverde has been progressing slowly. But saying that, I'm sure there will be others who will put themselves into contention with long breaks in the last ten days of the Tour."

 

[Nilsson]

I dont think so.

At least the Contador after sanction

Contador finished La Vuelta losing time with Valverde, that rode TdF.

He has more recovery than endurance, but anyway I think his recovery is overestimated.

Contador got a little sick in the last days of the Vuelta last year, just like some of his team mates, from air conditioning.

Also look at this video, where his voice is even more husky than normal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KATucvlq9c

 

[Angliru]

I never disagreed with the fact that Contador did his GT combo better, but I don't see what about it can say in terms of coming Tour. The Vuelta simply showed that rider Contador was prepared significantly better compared to his reachable peak than rider Froome compared to his peak. The Vuelta didn't say that GC racer Contador is stronger than GC rider Froome in general. This question can get an answer only in the Tour. Vuelta was just one time GT chapter.

Your post seemed to, in my opinion, imply that you disagreed.

 

[nick101]

I don't think the tour will be a true representation of contador vs froome. Contador doesn't have form as far as we all know, whereas froome does. Everybody agrees that the 2012 Vuelta wasn't a true representation of contador vs froome or froomes abilites right?? Same situation here, except contador is in the same position as froome was at the vuelta. No one says contador was better than froome because he won when froome was unfit, so why say that about froome winning the tour?? doesn't make sense to me and stinks of a blind hatred of all things contador. For me that's like comparing two cars who have equal power etc but then supplying one with low quality petrol and one with high quality petrol, then declaring the one with better petrol the best when both actually are equal. That doesn't actually make either car better, it makes a biased criteria. Same situation here. When both are on form then it'll be a true battle of their actual abilities - not when one is unfit and one is fit. Whether that will happen is unlikely at this stage for me.

 

[karlboss]

I don't think the tour will be a true representation of contador vs froome. Contador doesn't have form as far as we all know, whereas froome does. Everybody agrees that the 2012 Vuelta wasn't a true representation of contador vs froome or froomes abilites right?? Same situation here, except contador is in the same position as froome was at the vuelta. No one says contador was better than froome because he won when froome was unfit, so why say that about froome winning the tour?? doesn't make sense to me and stinks of a blind hatred of all things contador. For me that's like comparing two cars who have equal power etc but then supplying one with low quality petrol and one with high quality petrol, then declaring the one with better petrol the best when both actually are equal. That doesn't actually make either car better, it makes a biased criteria. Same situation here. When both are on form then it'll be a true battle of their actual abilities - not when one is unfit and one is fit. Whether that will happen is unlikely at this stage for me.

People say Vuelta wasn't fair as Froome designed his season around the Tour and then tried to hold form through the vuelta whereas Contador aimed the whole year at the vuelta.
This year they've both aimed at the Tour.

 

[blaxland]

Anyone who writes off Alberto Contador for this TDF better watch out' History shows us that he will fight till the end.I think Riis has worked/planned his programe to perfection.Time will tell.

 

[nick101]

People say Vuelta wasn't fair as Froome designed his season around the Tour and then tried to hold form through the vuelta whereas Contador aimed the whole year at the vuelta.
This year they've both aimed at the Tour.

That doesn't really matter. The point was froome wasn't at his best at the vuelta and clearly contador isn't either this year for the tour. Froome wasn't on form for the vuelta so people said that's why contador won, same situation for the tour imo. It's not necessarily that they have better abilities, it's that they performed better on the day
Contador couldn't really aim for the vuelta as he had limited race preparation due to his ban, so aiming his whole season at the vuelta seems irrelevant also as he didn't really have one.
Froome didn't really design his whole season around the tour either, he was domestique for wiggins and not team leader, so getting second at the tour was a great result given he used so much energy to help wiggins

 

[Siriuscat]

That doesn't really matter. The point was froome wasn't at his best at the vuelta and clearly contador isn't either this year for the tour. Froome wasn't on form for the vuelta so people said that's why contador won, same situation for the tour imo.
Contador couldn't really aim for the vuelta as he had limited race preparation due to his ban, so aiming his whole season at the vuelta seems irrelevant also as he didn't really have one.
Froome didn't really design his whole season around the tour either, he was domestique for wiggins and not team leader, so getting second at the tour was a great result given he used so much energy to help wiggins

How do you figure that out?? Another crystal ball specialist!!

It doesn't start till Saturday. He'll be ready, whether it's ready enough we'll see over the next few weeks

 

[nick101]

How do you figure that out?? Another crystal ball specialist!!

It doesn't start till Saturday. He'll be ready, whether it's ready enough we'll see over the next few weeks

What i'm saying applies if contador doesn't have good form, i never actually said whether or not he will be fit or unfit. Tbh i have no clue what form contador will be in come the tour, but just as you said i suspect we may not find out til ventoux or the alps (not on ax3/the pyrenees)

But if he is in the form that everyone says he will be in (i.e bad form) then what i'm saying will be relevent. If contador is in good form, he will likely put out similar power to verbier, etna etc. If that happens, there is no way froome could replicate similar power comparing data when they're both "peaking" (froome's 6.4w/kg vs contador's 6.9w/kg; both "on form") given froome's current form is unlikely to improve by much either

 

[LaFlorecita]

I note the same bickering going on for pages and pages. Too lazy to scroll though... anyone have any info on the Spanish champs?

Did Contador ride? I know he didn't podium either RR or TT but that's it...

No he did not ride.

 

[Jelantik]

I don't think the tour will be a true representation of contador vs froome. Contador doesn't have form as far as we all know, whereas froome does. Everybody agrees that the 2012 Vuelta wasn't a true representation of contador vs froome or froomes abilites right?? Same situation here, except contador is in the same position as froome was at the vuelta. No one says contador was better than froome because he won when froome was unfit, so why say that about froome winning the tour?? doesn't make sense to me and stinks of a blind hatred of all things contador. For me that's like comparing two cars who have equal power etc but then supplying one with low quality petrol and one with high quality petrol, then declaring the one with better petrol the best when both actually are equal. That doesn't actually make either car better, it makes a biased criteria. Same situation here. When both are on form then it'll be a true battle of their actual abilities - not when one is unfit and one is fit. Whether that will happen is unlikely at this stage for me.

We can't say the up coming tour isn't a true representation of contador vs froome. In le tour, all bets are off. Everyone gets the same chance to prepare and their form will be judged, whether you are ready or not. Vuelta we get excuse, contador with ban, froome with tdf leg. But no excuse for this year tour. The fact that froome is better all year long, hats off to him. Maybe he prepped himself better. And the fact contador is off, is his problem. Come tour, 'no excuse' of who's superior all season and who's not. This is it. Everyone got 6 months to prep. You either ready or you don't. So may the smartest man wins.