Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Red Rick]

Weight is not something they keep secret really. Usually they use it to brag. Slongo surely does at, and so does alot of XC skiers. Probably many cyclists too. I have no doubt that De Jongh, Slongo etc knows the rivals match weights...

Cyclist are a lot like women, wearing tight pants, shaving legs and being obsessed with their weight

 

[LaFlorecita]

Ok

It would be an advantage to keep your weight secret.

 

[Afrank]

It would be an advantage to keep your weight secret.

How so? Wouldn't a rider be trying to get down to as low a weight as they healthfully can anyways? Why would knowing your rivals weight effect that?

edit: they list weight on the team websites as well, why would they do that if they want to keep it secret?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

It would be an advantage to keep your weight secret.

but you still know that he is much lighter than Nibali, cause it fitted your argument earlier...

 

[LaFlorecita]

How so? Wouldn't a rider be trying to get down to as low a weight as they healthfully can anyways? Why would knowing your rivals weight effect that?

edit: they list weight on the team websites as well, why would they do that if they want to keep it secret?

If rider A weighs 65kg, would he be more comfortable with a rival who's 62kg, or 66kg?

And the weight on the team websites is a rough number, Hernandez is listed as 58kg and was 56kg at this year's Tour.

 

[LaFlorecita]

but you still know that he is much lighter than Nibali, cause it fitted your argument earlier...

Yep, because I used common sense.

Nibali is 5cm taller.

And seems to have a higher fat percentage.

So, normally, Contador would be a few kgs lighter.

 

[Afrank]

If rider A weighs 65kg, would he be more comfortable with a rival who's 62kg, or 66kg?

And the weight on the team websites is a rough number, Hernandez is listed as 58kg and was 56kg at this year's Tour.

Obviously the higher weight, but I would think if he could get down to 62 from 65 he would try to, as it would give him a better chance against their rival. Even if the rival was 66.

Unless of course the rider is just lazy like the fat cat.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Obviously the higher weight, but I would think if he could get down to 62 from 65 he would try to, as it would give him a better chance against their rival. Even if the rival was 66.

Unless of course the rider is just lazy like the fat cat.

Look at Contador, he was lighter than ever this year, because his main rival is also super skinny. If Froome had been 3kg heavier, we wouldn't have seen skeleton Alberto this year either.

 

[Rollthedice]

Nibali lost 1.5 Kg between Dauphine and Tour ariving there at presumably 64 Kg. His body fat reached the optimal percentage in the second week of the Tour. He looked also skinnier than ever, since Froome 2013 it seems you can't win the Tour otherwise. And by the way, the Astana doctor in charge is the same who was employed many years by Riis leaving Saxo in 2012.

 

[The Hitch]

And I did not mean you.

At the time of your post I was the only person who said anything about Verbier. So how can it be directed at anyone but me?

But if you insist on making it about you, I find it really strange that you decided to use a climb where everyone in the top 5 posted very high numbers as some proof of absolute ability.

Why would it not be a proof of absolute ability? You can say there are qualifiers that should be included every time Verbier is mentioned, but to outright have it stricken from the record when he beat a bunch of very strong guys who would a week later post very high numbers on Ventoux as well?

And my argument clearly does not rest on Verbier alone. Nor do I have Contador as number 1. He is 2. Who would you have as 2? Armstrong. Rasmussen? Indurain? Riis? Heras? Froome? Basso? I think Contador wins a head to head comparison against most of those easy.

 

[The Hitch]

Cyclist are a lot like women, wearing tight pants, shaving legs and being obsessed with their weight

And if this thread is anything to go by, get judged as much on perceived sexual appeal as actual accomplishments.

 

[ILovecycling]

Also, Contador reached higher power outputs in the dauphine on a penultimate climb that Nibali has reached in the entire Tour

If this is true,then LOL

 

[Afrank]

Also, Contador reached higher power outputs in the dauphine on a penultimate climb that Nibali has reached in the entire Tour

Nibali didn't have to got all out on any climb the entire Tour.

 

[TANK91]

I must have missed that rider climbing like a angel and winning 2 stages and KOTM. I must have missed Mick Rogers looking strong i mean surely Contador would not been strong....

 

[BlurryVII]

If this is true,then LOL

It is, it was on côte de montagny last stage of the dauphiné, penultimate climb, when he attacked Froome and went to chase Talansky, he climbed faster than anyone by huge margin, 6.2 w/kg during 20 min, check this out:

#Dauphine, Stage 8. Cote de Montagny (7.83 km, 7.10 %, 556 m)
Contador 19:53
Talansky group 21:13
Nibali/Kelderman 21:15
Froome 22:40

On this solo climb, he was stronger than Nibali in the entire Tour, it just gets absolutely ridiculous.

Nibali didn't have to got all out on any climb the entire Tour.

He did, both on PDB and Hautacam, still wasn't impressive.

Edit: Contador made such huge difference on fairly short climb (8 km)

 

[Afrank]

He did, both on PDB and Hautacam, still wasn't impressive.

Not according to him. And with all due respect, I trust his words a hell of a lot more then I do the words of a Contador fan for whom the only impressive performance are ones that come from Contador.

 

[Afrank]

Look at Contador, he was lighter than ever this year, because his main rival is also super skinny. If Froome had been 3kg heavier, we wouldn't have seen skeleton Alberto this year either.

Well it seems that since the Froome arrived on the scene riders have indeed gotten skinnier. And that riders being very thin (especially the GC riders) has become the new status quo of weight in the peloton. But I don't know that if Froome arrived this year heavier that it would necessarily change things for Contador this year. Unless the heavier weight was the norm for him.

 

[contador977]

It is, it was on côte de montagny last stage of the dauphiné, penultimate climb, when he attacked Froome and went to chase Talansky, he climbed faster than anyone by huge margin, 6.2 w/kg during 20 min, check this out:

#Dauphine, Stage 8. Cote de Montagny (7.83 km, 7.10 %, 556 m)
Contador 19:53
Talansky group 21:13
Nibali/Kelderman 21:15
Froome 22:40

On this solo climb, he was stronger than Nibali in the entire Tour, it just gets absolutely ridiculous.


He did, both on PDB and Hautacam, still wasn't impressive.

Edit: Contador made such huge difference on fairly short climb (8 km)

Froome crashed and lost his form, so that is decieving. Nibali was dropped several times thru out the Dauphine. On stage 2, Froome almost un-hitched Contador at one point during that last attack inside 600m. The gap was streching and Contador was at his limit, it appeared to me. Froome and Contador looked very similar form at that point, Froome's crash and was a different rider in the Dauphine. Froome, Quintana and Contador in the mountain passes in La Vuelta should be very good.

 

[BlurryVII]

Not according to him. And with all due respect, I trust his words a hell of a lot more then I do the words of a Contador fan for whom the only impressive performance are ones that come from Contador.

Yeah sure, you want to believe a guy who kept repeating he didn't go full out when it is obvious he did it to make himself feel better because he knew about all the sceptics out there.
Just as he said 'I've never suffered during this Tour" you don't say that as the winner of the Tour, it's disrespectful for your opponents.

Did you also believe him when he said " I beat AC and CF on most of the races last year" ? Which is utterly false. Nibali was being arrogant because he wanted to prove something, didn't even know what he was talking about, look at him breathing hard all the way up Hautacam and even PDBF and then tell me he wasn't going full out.
Keep overrating Nibali, go ahead bet on him for next year's Tour, we'll see if he'll go "tranquilo" against Quintana, AC and CF. It's just a matter of time, keep that in mind .

a Contador fan for whom the only impressive performance are ones that come from Contador.

And then people complain about my "manners" when you have someone who doesn't discuss the point anymore and starts directly provocating you.
Don't you want me to reply to this childish remark?

 

[Cannavaro]

Slongo says AC was 63 kg in the Dauphine (I don't know why he would lie, so need to laugh it off cause it is Nibalis trainer).

In the next sentence Slongo said:

Froome accelerates for 20-30 seconds, with peaks of 450-480 wats.

For me he lost all credibility with that.

 

[Afrank]

Yeah sure, you want to believe a guy who kept repeating he didn't go full out when it is obvious he did it to make himself feel better because he knew about all the sceptics out there.
Just as he said 'I've never suffered during this Tour" you don't say that as the winner of the Tour, it's disrespectful for your opponents.

Did you also believe him when he said " I beat AC and CF on most of the races last year" ? Which is utterly false. Nibali was being arrogant because he wanted to prove something, didn't even know what he was talking about, look at him breathing hard all the way up Hautacam and even PDBF and then tell me he wasn't going full out.
Keep overrating Nibali, go ahead bet on him for next year's Tour, we'll see if he'll go "tranquilo" against Quintana, AC and CF. It's just a matter of time, keep that in mind .



And then people complain about my "manners" when you have someone who doesn't discuss the point anymore and starts directly provocating you.
Don't you want me to reply to this childish remark?

Wow, just wow. Sorry BlurryVII, but you look at everything with great bias.

I'm not overrating Nibali even a little bit. I brought up the point that he said he hadn't had to suffer the whole Tour, he has no reason to lie about this. Claiming he said this to make himself feel better is just ridiculous. Anybody that watched him over the course of the race can clearly tell he was in complete control the whole race.

I am not trying to provoke anyone. If that's how you took it, then I apologize. I was making the point I put more trust in Nibali's words then I do in a Contador fan such as yourself. I'll admit though, I probably could have used different words.

We're in the Contador thread though, and this is off topic. So that is all I will say on the matter. Any further discussion can take place in the Nibali thread.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Says it all really. Talking about a triple crown... What a triple crown indeed.

Look at him getting dropped like a sack of potatoes by Contador

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Egv2zfD0Q

A question suddenly came up my mind, was he going full out ?

Yes, the great Milano Torino. The goal of the season. Some people even call it the classic of the year. Some on the other hand (myself included), find that the MT from 2012 has little value when we talk about peak performances in 2014

 

[ILovecycling]

Yes, the great Milano Torino. The goal of the season. Some people even call it the classic of the year. Some on the other hand (myself included), find that the MT from 2012 has little value when we talk about peak performances in 2014

Thats true,but still its a very very nice video,and the music,yep nice indeed

 

[ILovecycling]

Nairo Quintana on Alberto after his win at Burgos (yesterday)

"Seguramente se verá un duelo con Contador", aseguraba, cuestionado por la presencia (en la Vuelta) del madrileño.

He is sure Contador will have a form

 

[LaFlorecita]

Nairo Quintana on Alberto after his win at Burgos (yesterday)

He is sure Contador will have a form

Hopefully he's right