Jspear said:If you base who has/had better form on how they performed throughout THIS whole season, AC still blows Nibali out of the water.
Amen to this.
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Jspear said:If you base who has/had better form on how they performed throughout THIS whole season, AC still blows Nibali out of the water.
Netserk said:Troll-o-meter goes ding ding ding DING DING DING!!!
It's VAM. Weight and wind doesn't matter.
No_Balls said:Dude. It's VAM. You know what that is right?
I dont say so. There are higher authorities then myself in this matter. Sure, You can never be sure but i wouldnt hold my breath against it given the circumstances in which they have been nurtured. They have been troughout studied and used as a scientific benchmark of comparing the results/levels between different eras
VAM is just one cherry picked stats that are influenced by a lot of factors such as wind, gradient, length of the climb, length of the stage, how many mountains were climbed before the final climb, average speed during the stage and how far in into the tour the stage in question is.
Walkman said:I am the first one to admit I don't remember how long or steep the Verbier climb is but if I recall correctly it was the first mountain stage at the 2009 tour and almost all top riders posted crazy high VAM's during that stage.
So what?kingjr said:Ah come one, we all know Contador had a problem with his gears on that stage.
sir fly said:So what?
The stage was meant to be testing both for the riders and the equipment. It's all part of the racing.
And how does it affects the fact Nibali stormed to the Arenberg - showed extraordinary form?
What are the guarantees the excuse was genuine?
sir fly said:So what?
The stage was meant to be testing both for the riders and the equipment. It's all part of the racing.
And how does it affects the fact Nibali stormed to the Arenberg - showed extraordinary form?
What are the guarantees the excuse was genuine?
Yes it did. It told us that Nibali can produce lots of Watts.LaFlorecita said:The Arenberg stage told us nothing about climbing shape.
Rollthedice said:For those who support Contador, please leave Nibali enjoy his holiday, the man just won Tour de France and four stages in the process wearing the yellow jersey for 19 days. He joined Contador in the group of selected few who won all three GTs, give the man some respect.
Why are you asking me this? It wasn't me who brought up the excuses into discussion, it was you.kingjr said:After Arenberg we still knew nothing about the climbing form of the two. We had a clue after the stage to Gerardmer. But there Nibali said he had a problem with his gear.
What are the guarantees that Nibali's excuse was genuine?
sir fly said:People here are pretending like there was no difference between Contador and Nibali at the moment Contador abandoned and like we were still waiting to see who's on what kind of form.
Like the dropping some of the all-time classics specialists on their terrain doesn't tell anything.
And lets not forget the Sheffield stage.
sir fly said:Yes it did. It told us that Nibali can produce lots of Watts.
kingjr said:What the hell man, how is Nibali's holiday affected by what we write here?
Rollthedice said:For those who support Contador, please leave Nibali enjoy his holiday, the man just won Tour de France and four stages in the process wearing the yellow jersey for 19 days. He joined Contador in the group of selected few who won all three GTs, give the man some respect.
As for your Alberto, you should be more worried that it's two years since he won a GT, barely but he did it and that it's a distinct possibility that you'll have to wait another year to hope he can bring back his glory days. Until he will win again everything is just supposition.
sir fly said:Why are you asking me this? It wasn't me who brought up the excuses into discussion, it was you.
Rollthedice said:For those who support Contador, please leave Nibali enjoy his holiday, the man just won Tour de France and four stages in the process wearing the yellow jersey for 19 days. He joined Contador in the group of selected few who won all three GTs, give the man some respect.
As for your Alberto, you should be more worried that it's two years since he won a GT, barely but he did it and that it's a distinct possibility that you'll have to wait another year to hope he can bring back his glory days. Until he will win again everything is just supposition.
In the first paragraph you say an absolutely sensible thing.No_Balls said:That is not what we are saying. What we are saying is that we believe AC to be better then Nibali at the moment of his retirement. Sadly, we wont find out since Nibalis hardest competitors (multi GT-winners crashed out).
It mostly depends on a super team effort who towed him over the cobbles. On the other hand did AC enjoyed the stronger team for the mountains and with him/they still around the entire shape of the race would have looked different.
The fact that he even went for Sheffield/Arenberg was a desperate maneuver to gain time on AC/Dawg where it was the most likely for him to gain time. In hindsight its clear as a day that their whole Tour was designed for the first week and then try to limit their losses/wheelsuck to victory the rest. But after his competitors crashed the strategy was adjusted when Nibali raced against those who still was in the race.
Why should I care about Nibali's excuse?kingjr said:Do you think Nibali's excuse was genuine?
Anyway, Nibali had great team support during the stage, and if Contadors excuse is genuine he didn't even get the opportunity to show that he can keep up.
sir fly said:But by the end of the second paragraph the sense leaves you .
sir fly said:Why should I care about Nibali's excuse?
It's you who takes excuses into account.
sir fly said:Tony is much heavier.
Miburo said:Nibali beated an old aussie, a random spanish rider and 2 frenchies.
Let him beat the best before claiming he's better than the best