Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[TANK91]

That's more because he massively overrates Froome. He thinks 2013 Froome was better than Indurain

So Contador could not challenge Induarain i take it? Induarain is overrated in climbing, Froome and Contador would destroy him. You are out to make me look a fool that is all, go and watch Ventoux and AX-3 i talk so much BS...

 

[Donkey]

Fact is before the Vuelta...

why before Vuelta?

 

[burning]

So Contador could not challenge Induarain i take it? Induarain is overrated in climbing, Froome and Contador would destroy him. You are out to make me look a fool that is all, go and watch Ventoux and AX-3 i talk so much BS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvHMSyxAfCw

Maybe you'll learn a couple of things

 

[TANK91]

I respect Froome. I think you are disrespecting Contador's abilities as a cyclist when you say that if both are in top shape, Contador has no chance to beat Froome.

If Froome and Contador stayed healthy i mean, Dauphinee Contador was closer in 2013 to Froome. Froome got even better that is just facts of 2013. Both the bad luck messed it up for us all we will never know. But Froome was very strong in the Dauphinee and even the TDF early he put a dig in he does that when he is on form. It was the stage Niabli won, TJVG and Contador took a while to respond.

 

[ferryman]

if he is in a good shape[/B][/B]. Same with Contador they are the real elite not Quintana who you like to bring up in endless posts. Froome does not even need an ITT on form he is 1/2 in the world uphill we have seen it for three years.

Even after the Giro if he mans up against Contador? I think not. Nibali and Quintana in particular would be all over him. Not going to happen though is it (the Giro/TDF double that is).

Probably just about 2nd to Contador in 2014. Who are you referring to in 2012 and 13, Wiggins, Nibali, Quintana, Horner?

 

[TANK91]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvHMSyxAfCw

Maybe you'll learn a couple of things

Ok so Indurain is the best even beter than Contador and Armstrong? Froome is not even in the discussion goodbye... Indurain is overrated the climbers he went up against were poor, Rominger lol. Pantani do not even bring him up he was sup up and down in GT's sometimes 10 minutes down after a week. I hope people do not think im disrespecting Big Mig because im not he is a champion and has 7GT's lol. He did two double's just uphill he was not that great.

Go check my comments when people were saying he should be a top 5 cyclist, i think Contador is better than Indurain he actaully wins normal stages he as the more GT's. If Contador gets 1 more TDF and a Giro he is long past Indurain.


What is better 3TDF, 3VaE, 2Giro?. Or 5TDF, 2Giro?. Give me the one extra GT thanks. Well more rounded aswell. And Contador can add to it, so it proves when i say 2013 Froome could beat Induarin in the TDF it is not that stupid to say. Armstrong would destroy Indurain.


Never even won a MTF when he was winning TDF i rest my case.

 

[TANK91]

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Even after the Giro if he mans up against Contador? I think not. Nibali and Quintana in particular would be all over him. Not going to happen though is it (the Giro/TDF double that is).

Probably just about 2nd to Contador in 2014. Who are you referring to in 2012 and 13, Wiggins, Nibali, Quintana, Horner?

Thats what i mean if he does the TDF instead of Giro he is stupid thinking he can not win it because lack of ITT he is not Wiggins. I want him todo the Giro but the TDF will be a gift to Nibali imo so hope one does the TDF instead of the double.

In 2012 he was the best climber, 2013 he was the best climber. 2014 he was barely the 2nd best climber he was more closer to being 3rd best than being the best this year..

 

[Jspear]

Thats what i mean if he does the TDF instead of Giro he is stupid thinking he can not win it because lack of ITT he is not Wiggins. I want him todo the Giro but the TDF will be a gift to Nibali imo so hope one does the TDF instead of the double.

In 2012 he was the best climber, 2013 he was the best climber. 2014 he was barely the 2nd best climber he was more closer to being 3rd best than being the best this year..

I don't think he talked about skipping the Tour just because of the lack of tting. I think he doesn't like the cobbles as well as the stages in Belgium. Those stages don't suit his characteristics....

 

[LaFlorecita]

Ok so Indurain is the best even beter than Contador and Armstrong? Froome is not even in the discussion goodbye... Indurain is overrated the climbers he went up against were poor, Rominger lol. Pantani do not even bring him up he was sup up and down in GT's sometimes 10 minutes down after a week. I hope people do not think im disrespecting Big Mig because im not he is a champion and has 7GT's lol. He did two double's just uphill he was not that great.

Go check my comments when people were saying he should be a top 5 cyclist, i think Contador is better than Indurain he actaully wins normal stages he as the more GT's. If Contador gets 1 more TDF and a Giro he is long past Indurain.


What is better 3TDF, 3VaE, 2Giro?. Or 5TDF, 2Giro?. Give me the one extra GT thanks. Well more rounded aswell. And Contador can add to it, so it proves when i say 2013 Froome could beat Induarin in the TDF it is not that stupid to say. Armstrong would destroy Indurain.


Never even won a MTF when he was winning TDF i rest my case.

Contador is a better climber, but overall Indurain is a better rider and a bigger champion. Officially he won 1 more GT than Contador, unofficially 1 less but he won 5 TDF and the double twice. That is massive.

 

[Angliru]

Netserk, Contador did Tirreno then Catalunya. Froome did just Catalunya, who was strongest? Contador.

Froome did Romandie then they both did Duaphinee who was strongest? Froome. So what are you trying to prove?


Froome was beating Contador he beat him in stage 1 with ease same with stage 2. Not even wheelsucking could make him pass Froome. Then the crash happens and the rest is history. But one man troubled Contador and it was Froome, Contador was not even close to doing that to Froome in 2013. Froome just had a wierd year this year he crashed alot aswell. Froome was awful in the Vuelta and still got 2nd you can tell it is not the same Froome when he has to ride tempo,his attacks were terrible if you compare it to the Dauphinee.

Oh, so Froome gets a pass for having a bad year and Contador gets tossed into the "just-not-good-enough "trash bin when he's not having a typically stellar year? How do we know what is Froome's typical year? He's been racing for several years with only the latter quarter of 2011 thru 2014 with any results worthy of notice. How do we know that the 2014 Froome isn't the real one that we may see for the remainder of his career? Riders occasionally have meteoric rises and falls over the course of their careers and Froome may be one of those. 2013 for Contador could be seen as a "weird year" for Contador but you use it as an example of Froome's superiority over Contador. You can't have it both ways.

 

[burning]

Contador is a better climber, but overall Indurain is a better rider and a bigger champion. Officially he won 1 more GT than Contador, unofficially 1 less but he won 5 TDF and the double twice. That is massive.

I never saw Contador riding at 6.4 W/kg for 45 minutes. Even though it was a different era, which makes it very hard to make a direct comparison, I think that Indurain is better climber than Contador and I believe he didn't go %100 unless It is absolutely necessary.

 

[rhubroma]

I never saw Contador riding at 6.4 W/kg for 45 minutes. Even though it was a different era, which makes it very hard to make a direct comparison, I think that Indurain is better climber than Contador and I believe he didn't go %100 unless It is absolutely necessary.

But to arrive at an enshrined metaphysical status, one has to attack and drop everyone in the mountians.

 

[TANK91]

But to arrive at an enshrined metaphysical status, one has to attack and drop everyone in the mountians.

Never won a MTF in a TDF win lol.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I never saw Contador riding at 6.4 W/kg for 45 minutes. Even though it was a different era, which makes it very hard to make a direct comparison, I think that Indurain is better climber than Contador and I believe he didn't go %100 unless It is absolutely necessary.

I didn't know about those numbers, you are right then of course.

 

[rhubroma]

Never won a MTF in a TDF win lol.

We're comparing apples to oranges here. Contador has won all three tours, plus a host of other stage races in this era.

 

[LaFlorecita]

We're comparing apples to oranges here. Contador has won all three tours, plus a host of other stage races in this era.

But Indurain won the double twice

 

[Red Rick]

Apples and oranges. Contador has won GT's in a dozen different ways while Indurain did the double, although in a time that was it was a lot more chemically possible to be top in both the Giro and the Tour

 

[Dr. Juice]

So Contador could not challenge Induarain i take it? Induarain is overrated in climbing, Froome and Contador would destroy him. You are out to make me look a fool that is all, go and watch Ventoux and AX-3 i talk so much BS...

So what about Ventoux?

2013 Froome 59 minutes
2009 Contador while smoking the pipe on Schleck's wheel 58:45

Countless times we've argued why such a long and windy ( Ventoux !!) climb is not a good yardstick. Too many variables. 2013 Froome was very good but nothing we've not seen before. Nothing you'd be shocked from a performance or W/kg point of view.
And always comparing 2013 Contador. It's like I would go on and compare the current Contador with 2010 Froome.

 

[El Pistolero]

So what about Ventoux?

2013 Froome 59 minutes
2009 Contador while smoking the pipe on Schleck's wheel 58:45

Countless times we've argued why such a long and windy ( Ventoux !!) climb is not a good yardstick. Too many variables. 2013 Froome was very good but nothing we've not seen before. Nothing you'd be shocked from a performance or W/kg point of view.
And always comparing 2013 Contador. It's like I would go on and compare the current Contador with 2010 Froome.

I thought Froome was born in 2011? I sure as hell never heard of him before that Vuelta.

 

[rhubroma]

But Indurain won the double twice

Indurain road in a different era. He was highly conservative, road almost exclusively on the defensive in the mountains to then crush everybody in the tts.

He did the double twice, yes, but on courses that particularlly suited him. Chapeau of course. But unless you had two tts over 50k in a GT, I honestly don't think against AC at his best Indurain wins. Because in the grand scheme Contador is far more dangerous and simply can't be controlled the way Indurain liked the situation. And Contador is not Chiapucci, or even Pantani.

 

[TANK91]

So what about Ventoux?

2013 Froome 59 minutes
2009 Contador while smoking the pipe on Schleck's wheel 58:45

Countless times we've argued why such a long and windy ( Ventoux !!) climb is not a good yardstick. Too many variables. 2013 Froome was very good but nothing we've not seen before. Nothing you'd be shocked from a performance or W/kg point of view.
And always comparing 2013 Contador. It's like I would go on and compare the current Contador with 2010 Froome.

Yeah and what about AX-3... Froome rode away from like 7 kms or something. And stopped with Quintana or a bit. Schleck was riding flat out.

 

[Dr. Juice]

Yeah and what about AX-3... Froome rode away from like 7 kms or something. And stopped with Quintana or a bit. Schleck was riding flat out.

That is his best performance, way better than on Ventoux.
However, if we compare best vs best of those two ...then Verbier ( exactly 7.8 km long like Ax-3 ) beats that performance clearly. 6.8 W/ kg for 20 minutes - incredible.

2014 pre-injury at the TdF was very close to the form he had in 2009 (and don't come with Dauphine - look how Contador plans his peak every year ...2009 Dauphine etc). He himself said that he had trained as hard as never before and reached his absolute best fitness.
We never know due to the crash but I believe him.

Next year will be fabulous.

 

[Miburo]

There's one thing that i would love to see from Contador in the next years.

Being at his best (giro 2011, tour 2009 or tour 2014? condition), in a GT (tour giro hopefully) and 3 minutes behind. One MTF is left, and it's the queen stage.

I would pay a lot of money to see that stage. Should be brilliant. Because imo a Contador at his best has never been forced in such a situation, never to that extent, i would love to see it.

Tour 2011 doesn't count for me since he obviously wasn't at his best in that stage.

 

[BlurryVII]

 

[Red Rick]

There's one thing that i would love to see from Contador in the next years.

Being at his best (giro 2011, tour 2009 or tour 2014? condition), in a GT (tour giro hopefully) and 3 minutes behind. One MTF is left, and it's the queen stage.

I would pay a lot of money to see that stage. Should be brilliant. Because imo a Contador at his best has never been forced in such a situation, never to that extent, i would love to see it.

Tour 2011 doesn't count for me since he obviously wasn't at his best in that stage.

The situation in this tour will probably never happen again. Contador at his best stands alone, he attacks and destroys until he feels the margin is enough and after that he just does as he likes