Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[LaFlorecita]

too heavy imho, he shouldnt ride vasco I think

He should skip Catalunya then and defend his titles

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'm starting to believe the double is possible no Froome, Nibali, Valverde or Quintana at the Giro

 

[May0maniac]

I'm starting to believe the double is possible no Froome, Nibali, Valverde or Quintana at the Giro

I think it's too early to say, the Giro is still the Giro but If it is possible he's the guy that has the best shot. He will beat every contender not named Uran in the ITT, maybe attack on one hard mountain stage and just follow wheels for the rest of the race, he's smart enough to do that.

 

[Red Rick]

He could ride the Giro like an extended dauphine

A tiny bit

 

[LaFlorecita]

He could ride the Giro like an extended dauphine

A tiny bit

exactly..

 

[thehook]

AC & De Jongh. Know the #'s. Meaning they know AC's ceiling. If he rides Giro on 80%. He just has to watch for bad weather/sickness. And they believe they can win it on 80%.

And I'm guessing here. But I would bet he Won La Vuelta on 80ish%. That might be giving him the confidence for his double.

IMHO. If there is a current rider in the peleton that can double it is AC.

 

[ILovecycling]

AC & De Jongh. Know the #'s. Meaning they know AC's ceiling. If he rides Giro on 80%. He just has to watch for bad weather/sickness. And they believe they can win it on 80%.

And I'm guessing here. But I would bet he Won La Vuelta on 80ish%. That might be giving him the confidence for his double.

IMHO. If there is a current rider in the peleton that can double it is AC.

Its not easy to peak,recover,have a form etc

 

[LaFlorecita]

Its not easy to peak,recover,have a form etc

yes but Alberto and the team sound confident and now that Nibali & froome won't ride, and Yates, Julich etc on the team......

 

[ferryman]

AC & De Jongh. Know the #'s. Meaning they know AC's ceiling. If he rides Giro on 80%. He just has to watch for bad weather/sickness. And they believe they can win it on 80%.

And I'm guessing here. But I would bet he Won La Vuelta on 80ish%. That might be giving him the confidence for his double.

IMHO. If there is a current rider in the peleton that can double it is AC.

Now, this is getting complicated I've previously posted it was an unfit Contador at maybe 75% of his best that took care of the others in the Vuelta, going at 80% of 75% to win the Giro, well, let's just say maths is not my best subject Don't necessarily disagree though

And calm non Contador fans, I'm being flippant in the extreme here

 

[ILovecycling]

yes but Alberto and the team sound confident and now that Nibali & froome won't ride, and Yates, Julich etc on the team......

I think it will be 1-2, but it would be so epic if he achieve double,and against so tough competition
Wish him the best winter

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think it will be 1-2, but it would be so epic if he achieve double,and against so tough competition
Wish him the best winter

Yes 1st at the Giro and then 2nd at the tour sounds most likely to me

 

[arvc40]

Yes 1st at the Giro and then 2nd at the tour sounds most likely to me

****** that !. Its 1 and then 1.

 

[arvc40]

Contador will be impossible to drop at bare minimum. Once he turns on the afterburner they are all gonna get smoked ! At Giro and Tour

 

[BlurryVII]

Yes 1st at the Giro and then 2nd at the tour sounds most likely to me

2nd? Contador is always either 1 st or out of the podium in a GT(Tour 11' - 13) .

If Alberto has the form to be 2nd at the Tour after the Giro, then he can inherently aim for the win. AC has never lost being in a decent form.
I don't know if I expressed myself well..

 

[LaFlorecita]

****** that !. Its 1 and then 1.

Contador will be impossible to drop at bare minimum. Once he turns on the afterburner they are all gonna get smoked ! At Giro and Tour

I quite like the sound of that

 

[LaFlorecita]

2nd? Contador is always either 1 st or out of the podium in a GT(Tour 11' - 13) .

If Alberto has the form to be 2nd at the Tour after the Giro, then he can inherently aim for the win. AC has never lost being in a decent form.
I don't know if I expressed myself well..

That is true

 

[The_Juan]

Eh no he as not been getting dropped all year, how can you even say the Dauphinee do you no why he got dropped?. He could not even respond he hardly got dropped, crash changed everything. And Catalunya haha, Froome lost by a whopping 8 seconds and 5 seconds... Contador lost that race aswell.


I aint saying he as not been far better but Froome was not dominated this year he lost 2 races to him and the won race he looked better was the Daupphinee untill the crash, just check Contador wincing on the stage 2 of the Dauphinee he puled the same face he was pulling in 2013 but he jst managed to stay in the wheel but barely, Froome is the only guy who had Contador under threat really this year apart from Purito.

Yes he did alright in the Vuelta but he had barely any acceleration even in first week, since Froome has been a good GT rider every GT he starts off better than he finishes except maybe 2011. Froome did not even get beat once by Contador on a stage i don't think last year.

The race where there form is close to the TDF, Froome was better. He beat him by a big margin if you factor in the distance and the gaps behind Contador in the ITT, Froome also won stage 2 then you try saying he was getting dropped lol? I wonder why he got dropped and flew out the top 10 of GC...

I don't know what TV channel you've been watching but... Froome got beaten pretty bad. To the point that he either has to risk it next year (see the clinic,) hope that Alberto has a bad season, or be lucky enough to find himself in the break of the century.

I suspect Alberto has his number now. It makes sense. That's probably the reason why Chris was calling for testing while training in the Canary Islands: He was probably handed the #s (the real) Contador was doing and his brain went "holy f***!".

I mean, I've re-watched some of the DL and Vuelta stages and you can clearly see that Chris was trying to work Alberto psychologically from the very beginning by pulling 2013 Mt Ventoux-style super accelerations over and over and he just couldn't get it done. In fact, watch the Ancares stage: Chris does acceleration after acceleration and gets dropped like a hooker at a police station with 1K to go.

 

[damian13ster]

I don't know what TV channel you've been watching but... Froome got beaten pretty bad. To the point that he either has to risk it next year (see the clinic,) hope that Alberto has a bad season, or be lucky enough to find himself in the break of the century.

I suspect Alberto has his number now. It makes sense. That's probably the reason why Chris was calling for testing while training in the Canary Islands: He was probably handed the #s (the real) Contador was doing and his brain went "holy f***!".

I mean, I've re-watched some of the DL and Vuelta stages and you can clearly see that Chris was trying to work Alberto psychologically from the very beginning by pulling 2013 Mt Ventoux-style super accelerations over and over and he just couldn't get it done. In fact, watch the Ancares stage: Chris does acceleration after acceleration and gets dropped like a hooker at a police station with 1K to go.

Are you sir drunk?

 

[The_Juan]

Are you sir drunk?

That's it? A grammatical brain fart? That's all you've got?

 

[damian13ster]

Your post doesn't require any other answer. When both were healthy and not right after crashes they were very close, and in DL (which you based your opinion on) before a crash Froome was stronger (lead for a huge chunk of final climb and still won the stage). And it had to be clear to anyone who saw the race. Hence my response.

If anything, from TdF 2014 Froome has learned that Contador sucks at cobbles-badly, so if it to be between those two, Chris isn't at disadvantage there. Of course thats without seeing him on cobblestone but how much worse can he be? So really there is no need for the clinic stuff here, especially since the rider you are questioning is the only one between those two who haven't been banned for doping.

 

[The_Juan]

Your post doesn't require any other answer. When both were healthy and not right after crashes they were very close, and in DL (which you based your opinion on) before a crash Froome was stronger (lead for a huge chunk of final climb and still won the stage). And it had to be clear to anyone who saw the race. Hence my response.

So... Froome was stronger because he led most of the climb while Alberto sat on his wheel. Ok, this is your proof that the Kenyan was stronger than Alberto? Buddy, fact of the matter is Alberto dropped Chris multiple times at the DL + the Vuelta this year, this is not arguable, it's a fact.

What you are arguing are the circumstances that led to Froome's supposed lesser form in those two competitions. THAT we can argue on. Do you understand the difference? You can use all the hypothetical mumbo-jumbo you want but Alberto shellacked Froome in the DL + Vuelta in 2014. I understand it's hard to digest but it is what it is.

If anything, from TdF 2014 Froome has learned that Contador sucks at cobbles-badly, so if it to be between those two, Chris isn't at disadvantage there. Of course thats without seeing him on cobblestone but how much worse can he be? So really there is no need for the clinic stuff here, especially since the rider you are questioning is the only one between those two who haven't been banned for doping.

Chris can't even stay on the bike! And you talk about Alberto's cobbles issues? What-eva.

And no, Contador was not banned for doping, he was banned because of a positive test. 50 picograms is not doping. I thought this was clear to everyone.

 

[BlurryVII]

Your post doesn't require any other answer. When both were healthy and not right after crashes they were very close, and in DL (which you based your opinion on) before a crash Froome was stronger (lead for a huge chunk of final climb and still won the stage). And it had to be clear to anyone who saw the race. Hence my response.

Froome was slightly stronger, but was also near his 100% . He can't do better than what he did on Col du Beal .

Froome will always have the edge on Contador at the Dauphiné, simply because he races Romandie before when Contador usually comes back from 2 months without competition, and lacks crucial race rhythm.
The Tour is another story. Contador has always proved to be very average at the Dauphiné, and then to be absolutely deadly at the Tour. (bar 2013 of course)

Still Froome got crushed at the Vuelta in equal terms, and his beating would've been worse if he had raced Tirreno and especially Pais Vasco.

 

[Miburo]

So no nibali, Contador at 85% should be enough for this. Will be the easiest GT win of his career.

Yea ik shouldn't underestimate opponents...There's no one worthy, aru isn't good enough yet. Uran?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Alberto does not "suck at cobbles- badly". He's not great on them, but not terrible either. See 2010. This year he was just unlucky they were wet.

 

[Red Rick]

Contador might need to make up up to a minute on Uran in the mountains, a feat which he can when enjoying the landscape en philosofizing about the meaning of life