Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[richo36]

Of course, but ASO don't want "just a couple easy segments". If there are cobbled segments, they are hard and plentiful. Hence if you're asking for cobbles every year, you're looking at a mini PR every year. And that seems like an overkill to me.

It's only a matter of time until at least one of the favorites crashes out on the cobbles. Once that happens we won't see them for a few years. Until then, ASO will continue to push the hype created by last year's stage (which is overrated in my opinion).

I think having a "weak" cobbled stage will also make the mini PR stages with heavier cobbled stages safer. It will expose more riders to cobbles. Especially GC riders who would otherwise never ride them. Also they can figure out the best time to place the cobbles that will reduce crashes. Eg I think having on the 3rd stage in the tour is to early as often all GC riders are still in the contest, ontop of the fact you have all stage hunters competing for position. Making it more frantic. But overall it's part of cycling. I would love to see riders who are more suited to one day races using cobbled, Ardennes and MSR style stages to gain time on the mountain goats or TTs and vice versa. Even if cobbled stage is weak you can still try something.

 

[lebbegehtweider]

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but why should cobbled stages be more important than TTs and mountains? Sometimes the route is defined by TTs (2012), sometimes it is defined by mountains (2014). Why should the route always be defined by cobbles? Once every 3-4-5 years is fine. Not every year.

Ok its discussable whether a cobblestone stage is neccessary every year. But from my opinion it's ok that it appears more often now (3 times from 2010 to 2015).
And for sure the route was not "defined" by the cobbles in any of that races. There were always enough mountains and/or TTs. The time gaps we saw this year are not as it usually happens. Nibali did an extraodinary good job on this day. We all have seen mountain stages were Contador gained about 2 minutes on his rivals. Thats don't happens always, but it happens and its the same Nibalis cobble perfommance.

Thus I agree the route should not be defined by cobbles (and it never was) but its ok when they are part of the route quite often.

 

[LaFlorecita]

IMO cobbles are about luck much more so than TTs and mountain stages, especially when you let a peloton of which 50% is featherweight climbers tackle them. That is why I am not happy when they are included. Once every 3 or 4 years I can accept, not every year.

And I would say last year and 2010 were defined by the cobbles. If Contador had not crashed out, the entire race would have been Contador trying to make up the time lost on the cobbles. In the 2010 the time Contador lost on the cobbles because of Frank's crash also influenced the race, probably chaingate wouldn't even have happened if Frank had not crashed and Contador would have won by 2 minutes or so.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Cobbles is as much about luck as descending is.

Boonen last year had his first flat in Roubaix in 12 editions (that's about 700 km of cobbles!), not counting the U23 ones.

 

[Red Rick]

Cobbles is as much about luck as descending is.

Boonen last year had his first flat in Roubaix in 12 editions (that's about 700 km of cobbles!), not counting the U23 ones.

Flatting on cobbles has a lot to do with luck

 

[sir fly]

In other words you have no argument. Why don't you just STHU if you have nothing to contribute to the conversation?

You've already said what you've had to say regarding that post of mine.
You should think about reply to this.
That's the line of discussion. You can't keep replying to one post. It's ridiculous.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You've already said what you've had to say regarding that post of mine.
You should think about reply to this.
That's the line of discussion. You can't keep replying to one post. It's ridiculous.

Do you want to get banned again ? Cause this is how you get banned again

 

[LaFlorecita]

Flatting on cobbles has a lot to do with luck

Exactly

And someone crashing in front of you has a lot to do with luck

 

[Kwibus]

You've already said what you've had to say regarding that post of mine.
You should think about reply to this.
That's the line of discussion. You can't keep replying to one post. It's ridiculous.

The only ridiculous person in the last 30 posts of this thread is you. Get over yourself please.

 

[sir fly]

Do you want to get banned again ? Cause this is how you get banned again

And you're the one who's banning?!

 

[sir fly]

The only ridiculous person in the last 30 posts of this thread is you. Get over yourself please.

You should've learned by now not to attack a person, but post.

 

[LaFlorecita]

And you're the one who's banning?!

No, I'm the one who is reporting

 

[Red Rick]

Exactly

And someone crashing in front of you has a lot to do with luck

Well, riding behind a Schleck on cobbles isn't exactly the most genius thing you can do

 

[Red Rick]

Sir Fly, if you would kindly explain what you think is wrong maybe we can get a normal discussion, cause I don't think anyone remotely understands what you're *****ing about, at least I don't

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well, riding behind a Schleck on cobbles isn't exactly the most genius thing you can do

true that

Sir Fly, if you would kindly explain what you think is wrong maybe we can get a normal discussion, cause I don't think anyone remotely understands what you're *****ing about, at least I don't

a few weeks ago he wanted to bet with Angliru about Contador doing the Giro or not, Angliru said I don't bet, sir fly said "put up or shut up" and he kept harassing Angliru, he got a ban and now he's back at it

 

[Red Rick]

true that



a few weeks ago he wanted to bet with Angliru about Contador doing the Giro or not, Angliru said I don't bet, sir fly said "put up or shut up" and he kept harassing Angliru, he got a ban and now he's back at it

..... At least the trolling in cyclist of the year thread was funny

 

[Miburo]

a few weeks ago he wanted to bet with Angliru about Contador doing the Giro or not, Angliru said I don't bet, sir fly said "put up or shut up" and he kept harassing Angliru, he got a ban and now he's back at it

I'll do that bet. Of course on the condition Contador doesn't crash before the giro.

Who wouldn't take that bet? Not even an actual bet, free money.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'll do that bet. Of course on the condition Contador doesn't crash before the giro.

Who wouldn't take that bet? Not even an actual bet, free money.

I told him I'd take the bet, but then he came up with some **** about the loser of the bet getting banned, etc, wtf

 

[Kwibus]

You should've learned by now not to attack a person, but post.

Oh wait you weren't attacking a person ofcourse.

 

[Kwibus]

true that



a few weeks ago he wanted to bet with Angliru about Contador doing the Giro or not, Angliru said I don't bet, sir fly said "put up or shut up" and he kept harassing Angliru, he got a ban and now he's back at it

Didn't even know that, but explains the situation and only confirms what I was thinking abour sir fly.

 

[Afrank]

sir fly, please do not badger other posters about issues that occurred in the past. If Angliru doesn't want to take some kind of bet he doesn't have to and continuing to badger him about it can be considered trolling at a certain point.

Everyone else, please keep the discussion about Contador and not about other posters.

Thank you.

 

[damian13ster]

Of course, but ASO don't want "just a couple easy segments". If there are cobbled segments, they are hard and plentiful. Hence if you're asking for cobbles every year, you're looking at a mini PR every year. And that seems like an overkill to me.

It's only a matter of time until at least one of the favorites crashes out on the cobbles. Once that happens we won't see them for a few years. Until then, ASO will continue to push the hype created by last year's stage (which is overrated in my opinion).

In what world is Tour ever decided by cobbles? Did you expect Cancellara to win GC because of that stage?
The Tour is always decided in the mountains. Even in 2012 cyclists had ****load of opportunity to drop Wiggins, they just werent strong enough.

GT should have variety. I would advocate for at least 3 LBL, MSR, Strade type of stages each year, 2 cobble stages, 3 TTs (70-100km total), 1-2 unipublic stages and 3-4 proper mountain stages.
Would make the race much more interesting and rider would actually have to be able to do more than just climb in order to win. GTs shouldnt be always decided by climbing

 

[LaFlorecita]

In what world is Tour ever decided by cobbles? Did you expect Cancellara to win GC because of that stage?

No idea where the **** you got that from

 

[damian13ster]

Well, if the Tour was decided by cobbles then wouldnt best riders on cobbles win the Tour? Its always great climbers that win, and if you have 21 racedays it should be about best all around rider, not one-trick ponies (polka-dot jersey for them)

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well, if the Tour was decided by cobbles then wouldnt best riders on cobbles win the Tour? Its always great climbers that win, and if you have 21 racedays it should be about best all around rider, not one-trick ponies (polka-dot jersey for them)

In what world is Tour ever decided by cobbles?

where did I ever state this? I said that if they are included, the race is heavily defined by them. Of course the winner will always be a good climber.

A GT winner should be a good climber and a good TTer, include some hilly stages and stages with a downhill finish, cobbles once every 3 or 4 years for all I care, but not cobbles each year. If you include cobbles each year, certain riders would never be able to win the Tour (Quintana-type).
Wiggins would never win a mountain-heavy route with little TT km (2015) Contador would never win a TT-heavy route with little MTFs (2012)
But they both got their chance on a route that suited him. If cobbles were included every year, the route would never suit Quintana, and always suit Nibali. Is that what we're going for? A race that always suits the same type of rider?