Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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LaFlorecita

LaFlorecita

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jens_attacks said:
still a good day overall and i wish that he will win this race but if froome reaches top form next days, it might be impossible. farrapona will probably be the most dangerous day
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Yeah I agree :( hopefully tomorrow will be a good day for Alberto... he can't lose any more time to Froome.
 
hfer07

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Alberto better be ready for the "resurrection" of Froome- what we watched today is the proof that the Alien has timed perfectly his peak around the key stages & the 3rd week.....

just beware of the Alien...
 
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Dr. Juice

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I don't think Froome was the strongest today. He simply rode smart. Since Valverde attacked, Contador and Purito had to respond to that suicide attack. Then a moment of slow down, Contador attacks etc etc

Froome was the only one with something left in the tank to do an anaerobic finish while the others were pretty much cooked.

Contador is the boss here, the others not that far behind. But especially Froome has not a great form. He will lose tomorrow and on stage 16 after having thought about today and the other stages.
That jojo effect just works on insane %. On consistent, normal climbs ( 7-14%) he ( Froome) hasn't got the power.
 
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Donkey

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Dr. Juice said:
I don't think Froome was the strongest today. He simply rode smart. Since Valverde attacked, Contador and Purito had to respond to that suicide attack. Then a moment of slow down, Contador attacks etc etc

Froome was the only one with something left in the tank to do an anaerobic finish while the others were pretty much cooked.

Contador is the boss here, the others not that far behind. But especially Froome has not a great form. He will lose tomorrow and on stage 16 after having thought about today and the other stages.
That jojo effect just works on insane %. On consistent, normal climbs ( 7-14%) he ( Froome) hasn't got the power.
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I seriously hope you're 100% right, mate.
Actually I watched Tirreno 2014 yesterday and Bertie managed the steep climb very well there. It was not tactically great of him today. On the other hand I believe his form is not 100% and he always suffers from lack of stamina when he's not 100%
 
BlurryVII

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Donkey said:
I seriously hope you're 100% right, mate.
Actually I watched Tirreno 2014 yesterday and Bertie managed the steep climb very well there. It was not tactically great of him today. On the other hand I believe his form is not 100% and he always suffers from lack of stamina when he's not 100%
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Yeah, just like first stage of basque country, dropping top form valverde and powering up the wall on a huge gear.

I don't understand people who say it's not his type of climb, AC can beat anyone no matter how steep the climb is but he is just not in great form, probably around Giro 08', he is being regular and I believe he does not appreciate steep and explosive climbs when he is in this kind of form.
 
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No_Balls

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Dr. Juice said:
Contador is the boss here, the others not that far behind. But especially Froome has not a great form. He will lose tomorrow and on stage 16 after having thought about today and the other stages.
That jojo effect just works on insane %. On consistent, normal climbs ( 7-14%) he ( Froome) hasn't got the power.
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Agreed. Stemwatcher benefited of both Valverdes fading and Albertos current inability to sustain an attack. Master wheelsucker got caught behind Contador and didn't pay notice to stemwatchers late effort.

A stage which in fact Alberto gained to his closest competitor.
 
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Dr. Juice

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Donkey said:
I seriously hope you're 100% right, mate.
Actually I watched Tirreno 2014 yesterday and Bertie managed the steep climb very well there. It was not tactically great of him today. On the other hand I believe his form is not 100% and he always suffers from lack of stamina when he's not 100%
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Of course he hasn't the same stamina as when he is at 100 %. He already said he struggles to do sustained attacks.
But today the way the spaniards rode, they all imploded at the end. One started the firework (stupid move from Bala) and the others followed.

On such insane % you pay for that.

The good thing in this Vuelta: Nobody is head and shoulders above anybody. But Alberto is still always there.
Valverde up - down - up (TT) - down
Froome up - down -down - up ( due to others imploding)

Purito the only one besides La Zubia who is halfway consistent, but a bit weaker than Alberto.

It was all about measuring efforts today. I'm sure if they did a mountain TT tomorrow, Alberto would come out strongest.
They all forgot about Froome, now they got a little reminder that he is still there.

Alberto knows that and I could swear his next objective is to break the kenyan. Game on.:cool:
 
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webbie146

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BlurryVII said:
Yeah, just like first stage of basque country, dropping top form valverde and powering up the wall on a huge gear.

I don't understand people who say it's not his type of climb, AC can beat anyone no matter how steep the climb is but he is just not in great form, probably around Giro 08', he is being regular and I believe he does not appreciate steep and explosive climbs when he is in this kind of form.
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1950vam - 6,4/6,5wkg during the last 3km equals not great form? Okay....
 
BlurryVII

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webbie146 said:
1950vam - 6,4/6,5wkg during the last 3km equals not great form? Okay....
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For a 12 min effort .

He did 6.9 - 7 w/kg, 2241 VAM during 6:56 min at Pais vasco stage 1 (alto de gaintza).

I mean he is in a decent form right now but not great.
 
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webbie146

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BlurryVII said:
For a 12 min effort only.

He did 6.9 - 7 w/kg, 2241 VAM during 6:56 min at Pais vasco stage 1 (alto de gaintza).

I meant he is in a decent form right now but not great.
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7 min vs 12 min. Stage 3 vs end of week 2 in GT.
 
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webbie146

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BlurryVII said:
In this case, racing miles can only benefit him after an injury come back.
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Racing miles do not benefit the hematocrit :p

I'm really *****y today lol ^^ I dont arque he's not on top-form atm, clearly he is not, but still these wattages are pretty top of the line.
 
Red Rick

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I think Contador is used to be able to sustain his attacks better than this. When he is in top shape he can attack like today (maybe even a little harder) and then he gets into a super fast sustainable rhythm immediately.

Maybe the problem is that he doesn't know which speed he can maintain before he actually attacks and burns out.

Contador might actually have been the strongest had he paced himself correctly.

Form usually fluctuates day by day, so far this seems to be happening the least with Purito and Contador. This is important especially when there are 3 mountain stages in a row.

What surpsrises mee is that so far Froome seems to do his best rides on short efforts, while he dissappointed in the tt and on Valedinares (or whatever the hell that thing is called)
 
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Dr. Juice

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webbie146 said:
Racing miles do not benefit the hematocrit :p

I'm really *****y today lol ^^ I dont arque he's not on top-form atm, clearly he is not, but still these wattages are pretty top of the line.
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You don't have to worry about his HCT , it'll be fine and healthy :p
So racing miles will do benefit to his form.
 
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Dr. Juice

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Red Rick said:
I think Contador is used to be able to sustain his attacks better than this. When he is in top shape he can attack like today (maybe even a little harder) and then he gets into a super fast sustainable rhythm immediately.

Maybe the problem is that he doesn't know which speed he can maintain before he actually attacks and burns out.

Contador might actually have been the strongest had he paced himself correctly.

Form usually fluctuates day by day, so far this seems to be happening the least with Purito and Contador. This is important especially when there are 3 mountain stages in a row.

What surpsrises mee is that so far Froome seems to do his best rides on short efforts, while he dissappointed in the tt and on Valedinares (or whatever the hell that thing is called)
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Good post. On a bestiality like today pacing is everything and basically you can't know exactly when you burn out, even when in good form. He didn't respond immediately to Valverde, but waited 1 or 2 seconds, then just easily got on his wheel while Valverde gave it almost everything.

I won't be surprised if he drops them all in La Farrapona. Tomorrow - IMO - he might limit himself to control because in Lagos you have to attack from 6 km out if you want to drop everybody.
As a result to the fact he can't go for attacks with sustained super-pace afterwards, he might just follow or test 1-2 times how the opponents react.

In La Farrapona it's not up and down at the end, so a good attack with 3 km to go can be successful. I'd say 2-3 km is what he can sustain at a very high attacking pace right now on real mountain finish.
 
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