Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[mrhender]

Okay, everyone tone it down a notch.

Stop discussing eachother.

Maybe it's time to agree to disagree and move on.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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"the wind split created smaller gaps than they were at the end."

Gap on stage 2 1'28"
Gap on GC 1'12"

And are wind splits not part of cycling?

I did not say anything like that, was just correcting sir fly that that gap did indeed decide the race in the end.

My bad

 

[Red Rick]

My last sentence was a question

 

[sir fly]

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My last sentence was a question

You should've put a question mark at the end of it, then.
This way it looks like an imperative sentence.

 

[ray j willings]

In the end when its all said and done we only have 2014 to go on , when they meet each other in decent form
The outcome was Bertie 1 GT
Froome No GT

I rest my case.
Sir fly no hard feelings ,its just a cycle race. Hey and as things have turned out you don't have to buy me a jersey now as well.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Re:

Maybe it's time to agree to disagree and move on.

That's the best advice, In the end fans of different riders will never agree.

 

[Kwibus]

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Maybe it's time to agree to disagree and move on.

That's the best advice, In the end fans of different riders will never agree.

Indeed. It's incredible how certain discussions keep on coming back. Every time the same people with a few new people start the same argument again.

 

[ray j willings]

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Maybe it's time to agree to disagree and move on.

That's the best advice, In the end fans of different riders will never agree.

Indeed. It's incredible how certain discussions keep on coming back. Every time the same people with a few new people start the same argument again.

It's all my fault .....I love a heated debate

 

[BlurryVII]

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Oh yeah, he totally was afraid in 2014, when he tried to win the tour
Beating him in the vuelta must have scared him really bad
And we know gaps is the plural of gap, now why does it matter? Show that you can type with less errors

Right on the money. Looks like some people don't have much common sense
Froome and Nibali are the ones who backed off when Contador said he'd do the Giro. And I'm saying that objectively, Contador took the position of doing the double early on and never changed his mind. Exactly a few days after that annoucement, Nibali and Froome said they'd put everything on the Tour.
Not hard to understand who avoided who.

lol @damian13ster who still doesn't realise AC rode the Giro. Yeah Contador finished almost 10 min off at the Tour, he understandably didn't do a 'great' race.
Like Froome finished 10 mins off at the Vuelta 12' after taking it easy at the Tour and all season long.

 

[ray j willings]

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Oh yeah, he totally was afraid in 2014, when he tried to win the tour
Beating him in the vuelta must have scared him really bad
And we know gaps is the plural of gap, now why does it matter? Show that you can type with less errors

Right on the money. Looks like some people don't have much common sense
Froome and Nibali are the ones who backed off when Contador said he'd do the Giro. And I'm saying that objectively, Contador took the position of doing the double early on and never changed his mind. Exactly a few days after that annoucement, Nibali and Froome said they'd put everything on the Tour.
Not hard to understand who avoided who.

lol @damian13ster who still doesn't realise AC rode the Giro. Yeah Contador finished almost 10 min off at the Tour, he understandably didn't do a 'great' race.
Like Froome finished 10 mins off at the Vuelta 12' after taking it easy at the Tour and all season long.

Great post.

Just to move things on a bit

The double now seems impossible.
Bertie had a really tough battle with Astana. Having said that a less fearsome route and less tougher rivals and then a bit of luck in the tour it could still be possible . But 2 full on tours, No.
I'm hope that Bertie will get back some great form next year. This year was tough and I don't feel he reached the heights of 2014 but at times did show some classic Bertie moves and got me smiling.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

Oh yeah, he totally was afraid in 2014, when he tried to win the tour
Beating him in the vuelta must have scared him really bad
And we know gaps is the plural of gap, now why does it matter? Show that you can type with less errors

Right on the money. Looks like some people don't have much common sense
Froome and Nibali are the ones who backed off when Contador said he'd do the Giro. And I'm saying that objectively, Contador took the position of doing the double early on and never changed his mind. Exactly a few days after that annoucement, Nibali and Froome said they'd put everything on the Tour.
Not hard to understand who avoided who.

lol @damian13ster who still doesn't realise AC rode the Giro. Yeah Contador finished almost 10 min off at the Tour, he understandably didn't do a 'great' race.
Like Froome finished 10 mins off at the Vuelta 12' after taking it easy at the Tour and all season long.

Great post.

Just to move things on a bit

The double now seems impossible.
Bertie had a really tough battle with Astana. Having said that a less fearsome route and less tougher rivals and then a bit of luck in the tour it could still be possible . But 2 full on tours, No.
I'm hope that Bertie will get back some great form next year. This year was tough and I don't feel he reached the heights of 2014 but at times did show some classic Bertie moves and got me smiling.

 

[sir fly]

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Oh yeah, he totally was afraid in 2014, when he tried to win the tour
Beating him in the vuelta must have scared him really bad
And we know gaps is the plural of gap, now why does it matter? Show that you can type with less errors

Right on the money. Looks like some people don't have much common sense
Froome and Nibali are the ones who backed off when Contador said he'd do the Giro. And I'm saying that objectively, Contador took the position of doing the double early on and never changed his mind. Exactly a few days after that annoucement, Nibali and Froome said they'd put everything on the Tour.
Not hard to understand who avoided who.

lol @damian13ster who still doesn't realise AC rode the Giro. Yeah Contador finished almost 10 min off at the Tour, he understandably didn't do a 'great' race.
Like Froome finished 10 mins off at the Vuelta 12' after taking it easy at the Tour and all season long.

Well, instead of the double, Contador can target De Ronde and the Tour next season. He'd do very well in Flanders, wouldn't he, Blurry?

 

[Electress]

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I can safely say I now hate this thread and this forum because it has become nasty, ungenerous and mean spirited.

 

[Carols]

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I can safely say I now hate this thread and this forum because it has become nasty, ungenerous and mean spirited.

Don't let a few people ruin it for you. Just put them on 'ignore' .

 

[dacooley]

it's amazing that people with opposite views - the ones who guess froome cannot be on a par with a peak form contador at any point of time and the others who believe froome's mutant level being an unbeatable card in modern cycling - sincerely think they can convince each other on rational grounds.

 

[mrhender]

Okay,

Enough with this.

You really need to move on.

I will delete any off topic postings, and if you all cannot stop I'll have to do more.

 

[The Hitch]

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froome is the only guy who can force a tip top bertie to finish in 2nd or 3rd place in the tour and dawg is probably the biggest reason why contador hasn't won anything in the tour since 2010.

Which year, in your opinion, could Contador have won the Tour if not for Froome?

2015. I think if Froome isn't at the Tour Contador goes for the Tour in order to win the Tour rather than settle for a Giro.

You know full well that's Bullsh%% yet you post your comments anyway.

Sorry, just had to come in to correct this inaccurate mind reading attempt. I do not "know full well that's bullsh%%".

Coming from a pov that isnt overwhelmed by emotional bias, that's the opinion I have reached.

Btw. I do observe that despite claiming you are stating "facts", your core arguments you made are hypothetical. That froome wouldnt beat aru in the giro. And that froome wouldn't win the tour If one were to selectively pick out a stage on which he beat Quintana. The first one is not only hypothetical but imo bizzare and has no grounding in reality. The second is a silly premise to begin with and probably false as well.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Oh yeah, he totally was afraid in 2014, when he tried to win the tour
Beating him in the vuelta must have scared him really bad
And we know gaps is the plural of gap, now why does it matter? Show that you can type with less errors

Right on the money. Looks like some people don't have much common sense
Froome and Nibali are the ones who backed off when Contador said he'd do the Giro. And I'm saying that objectively, Contador took the position of doing the double early on and never changed his mind. Exactly a few days after that annoucement, Nibali and Froome said they'd put everything on the Tour.
Not hard to understand who avoided who.

lol @damian13ster who still doesn't realise AC rode the Giro. Yeah Contador finished almost 10 min off at the Tour, he understandably didn't do a 'great' race.
Like Froome finished 10 mins off at the Vuelta 12' after taking it easy at the Tour and all season long.

Lol what. Nibali and froome are supposed to alter their schedules planned last year on vibrators whim?

The tour de France is the biggest race. I'm not talking about fans who can decide the giro or vuelta are more important depending on which one contador has won more recently, but as a business. They are professionals. They make money from it and the place they make the most money and have the greatest chance to increase their brand and secure a better salary, is the tour. Especially fro froome who wants to get knighted and win sports awards and increase his popularity so he can sell more books and appear in adverts and get some good post career jobs etc.

They are not going to give that up cos contador decided he thinks his chances of beating them are better on the giro parcors

 

[dacooley]

obviously nobody avoided anyone and no one's obliged to match one's racing calendar. the idea of froome and nibali not going to the giro as they supposedly thought they wouldn't be able to beat contador on an equal footing is beyond day-dreaming.

 

[Jelantik]

I've not been following la Vuelta that closely, but boy.. i think Contador finished his season due fatique ends up to be blessing in disguise. Most of TDF contenders washed out from Vuelta. Nibali kicked out, Tejay crashed out, Froome crashed out.. now Quintana is sick, Valverde injured his shoulder. I don't see Quintana and Valverde are going to get better. If not maybe more fatigue and loose more focus. What a mare of bad luck on all TDF contenders. The only one who's fresh and alert (or lucky) so far is Aru. Maybe fatigue plays important role to position themselves in the peloton. At least Contador, didn't crashed out at TDF and suffered no broken bones. For Froome that's another set back.. after broken wrist, now it's broken foot. Contador can start next season not from injury. I hope we see a flying Contador in 2016.

Majka is quietly hanging in 4th place and if he plays his card right, he can podium. This year is the lucky year with all the main contender wasn't in a high level. Tom Dumoulin is another G . I'm sure press is going banana if he survives week 2 mountain again. For Purito this is the Vuelta that he could possibly winning his first GT. He sits nicely in second place now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Oh yeah, he totally was afraid in 2014, when he tried to win the tour
Beating him in the vuelta must have scared him really bad
And we know gaps is the plural of gap, now why does it matter? Show that you can type with less errors

Right on the money. Looks like some people don't have much common sense
Froome and Nibali are the ones who backed off when Contador said he'd do the Giro. And I'm saying that objectively, Contador took the position of doing the double early on and never changed his mind. Exactly a few days after that annoucement, Nibali and Froome said they'd put everything on the Tour.
Not hard to understand who avoided who.

lol @damian13ster who still doesn't realise AC rode the Giro. Yeah Contador finished almost 10 min off at the Tour, he understandably didn't do a 'great' race.
Like Froome finished 10 mins off at the Vuelta 12' after taking it easy at the Tour and all season long.

Lol what. Nibali and froome are supposed to alter their schedules planned last year on vibrators whim?

The tour de France is the biggest race. I'm not talking about fans who can decide the giro or vuelta are more important depending on which one contador has won more recently, but as a business. They are professionals. They make money from it and the place they make the most money and have the greatest chance to increase their brand and secure a better salary, is the tour. Especially fro froome who wants to get knighted and win sports awards and increase his popularity so he can sell more books and appear in adverts and get some good post career jobs etc.

They are not going to give that up cos contador decided he thinks his chances of beating them are better on the giro parcors

Hitch are you deliberately misreading his post or what? Froome and Nibali both stated - before Alberto announced he would ride the Giro - that they were considering riding the Giro. Then when Alberto did his announcement Froome and Nibali were quick to confirm they would just ride the Tour in 2015. That is obviously what Blurry meant, why you are putting words into his mouth I do not know.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Anyway I agree with Electress, what a massive shitfest this thread has become in the past few days, everyone get a grip please.
I am supposed to be the least sensible person in this thread, sheesh guys. No need to pull each other's hair out.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Moving on

What do you guys think his schedule will be like? I believe he has more or less confirmed Tirreno, Dauphiné, TDF and Olympics. I would not be surprised if he does the exact same races as in 2014 - Algarve, Tirreno, Catalunya, Paisco and Dauphiné. If he could win Pais Vasco again he would become the shared record holder
Do you think he will also ride the Olympic ITT (not that he would stand a chance of course, just wondering if Spain would go for him or maybe for Castroviejo and Sanchez)
Will he ride La Vuelta? I don't know...

 

[Carols]

Moving on

What do you guys think his schedule will be like? I believe he has more or less confirmed Tirreno, Dauphiné, TDF and Olympics. I would not be surprised if he does the exact same races as in 2014 - Algarve, Tirreno, Catalunya, Paisco and Dauphiné. If he could win Pais Vasco again he would become the shared record holder
Do you think he will also ride the Olympic ITT (not that he would stand a chance of course, just wondering if Spain would go for him or maybe for Castroviejo and Sanchez)
Will he ride La Vuelta? I don't know...

2014 is the year to emulate for buildup to try to ride le Tour at max peak. I want him to win le Tour, but fear that would also mean he will hang up the wheels. Maybe he could go out with a Tour/Vuelta double but considering the shape of anyone who rode back to back GTs for GC this year it is a pipe dream. So I guess it's the Olympics instead of the Vuelta.

I don't know the Olympics ITT course but if it is hilly enough and he carries enough form out of le Tour, he could maybe bronze.

 

[infeXio]

Moving on

What do you guys think his schedule will be like? I believe he has more or less confirmed Tirreno, Dauphiné, TDF and Olympics. I would not be surprised if he does the exact same races as in 2014 - Algarve, Tirreno, Catalunya, Paisco and Dauphiné. If he could win Pais Vasco again he would become the shared record holder
Do you think he will also ride the Olympic ITT (not that he would stand a chance of course, just wondering if Spain would go for him or maybe for Castroviejo and Sanchez)
Will he ride La Vuelta? I don't know...

Do you have a profile of said TT-course? If the course resembles the one for the road race, surely it wouldn't be wise to count him out just yet.

EDIT: What Carols said.