Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[sir fly]

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Well it was a marketing stunt, you're just arguing that it was an empty one, which is bs imo. Nitpicking about definitions of advertizing and marketing don't change that

That said, let's agree to disagree and mutually hope they'll be going at it in somewhere in France during the 7th month of next year

No, Rick. There are people here arguing it wasn't a marketing stunt.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Well it was a marketing stunt, you're just arguing that it was an empty one, which is bs imo. Nitpicking about definitions of advertizing and marketing don't change that

That said, let's agree to disagree and mutually hope they'll be going at it in somewhere in France during the 7th month of next year

No, Rick. There are people here arguing it wasn't a marketing stunt.

Well, when I just kept asking you posted that Contador didn't dare to go for the Tour alone, which is why you're calling it a marketing stunt rather than an attempt at a double with actual chance of succeeding. So it's about the motivation behind the whole campaign.

 

[Electress]

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damian, I actually agree with your positive views on Froome (though I think you are biased against Contador). In regard to the 2014 Dauphine, Froome's inability to dislodge Contador with his insane high cadence attack is important given his historical performances and tactics. In both Tours he has won, he secured the victory essentially by establishing dominance with a high cadence attack on the first major climb. No one was able to stick with him on that first climb. On later multi-climb stages, they were even able to drop him. The fact that Froome's strategy appears to hinge almost entirely on a dominant high cadence attack, coupled with the appearance of ineffectiveness in regard to Contador, made many of us think that Contador would beat Froome in the Tour. I would by no means bet my life on it, but it looked like Contador would have been able to hang with Froome on his first maniacal attacks and then use his greater consistency to gain time in the final week.

Additionally, as I recall, the numbers Froome and Contador put up in the Vuelta were very strong. It doesn't really matter what we guess about their relative fitness, the fact is they were climbing very strongly and were not far off of their peak performances, if at all, meaning the Vuelta is in fact a relevant comparison. Not as relevant as the Tour would have been, had they both finished it without crashing. But relevant.

Finally, someone above said that pre-Vuelta interviews indicated Contador was determined to win whereas Froome was not. Actually, Contador said he was no where close to being in shape to go for the victory, then that he was maybe in shape for a stage victory. It took a solid week or so for people to realize that he was actually in killer shape and going for the W. I am pretty sure he knew all along, but I thought this was worth pointing out as it shows how our biases effect our memories of past events.

According to the pro-Froome contingent, Froome was handicapped for the entirety of 2014 by the crashes that he incurred, otherwise Contador would've been toast.

Whereas Contador's fractured tibia was but a little thing, made up by his PR people…to the extent of creating an MRI scan…no, no double standards here. ;o)

 

[The Hitch]

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froome is the only guy who can force a tip top bertie to finish in 2nd or 3rd place in the tour and dawg is probably the biggest reason why contador hasn't won anything in the tour since 2010.

Which year, in your opinion, could Contador have won the Tour if not for Froome?

2015. I think if Froome isn't at the Tour Contador goes for the Tour in order to win the Tour rather than settle for a Giro.

 

[Electress]

Re: Re:

Well it was a marketing stunt, you're just arguing that it was an empty one, which is bs imo. Nitpicking about definitions of advertizing and marketing don't change that

That said, let's agree to disagree and mutually hope they'll be going at it in somewhere in France during the 7th month of next year

No, Rick. There are people here arguing it wasn't a marketing stunt.

There are two definitions of 'Stunt' you know:

1. A feat displaying unusual strength, skill, or daring.
2. Something done to attract attention or publicity.

I'd certainly go with 1. And why not 2. ? That's part of Contador's job, after all.

Why are you so certain it was not a genuine effort by a committed professional to rise to a challenge? The fact that it benefited sponsors / team is nothing to sneer at. Had he not actually tried but merely ridden around you could claim it was all about publicity or marketing and sneered at it as a 'marketing stunt', but surely the very fact Contador won and came fifth Giro/Tour demonstrates that he was committed and took it seriously - i.e. it wasn't just 'marketing'. Unless you are saying that Contador is so great that he can be trying for a mere stunt - implying no real commitment to actually achieving his asserted objective - and STILL win and come fifth in the Tour…? wow, that might make you more of a Contador fan than I am.

Have you actual evidence that it was a marketing 'stunt', as opposed to a serious effort by a committed professional to rise to a challenge that hadnt been attempted for some considerable time which had the win:win or serving his sponsors and his team as well? Or is it just your opinion, stated as if this were some how fact?

 

[sir fly]

Re: Re:

Well it was a marketing stunt, you're just arguing that it was an empty one, which is bs imo. Nitpicking about definitions of advertizing and marketing don't change that

That said, let's agree to disagree and mutually hope they'll be going at it in somewhere in France during the 7th month of next year

No, Rick. There are people here arguing it wasn't a marketing stunt.

There are two definitions of 'Stunt' you know:

1. A feat displaying unusual strength, skill, or daring.
2. Something done to attract attention or publicity.

I'd certainly go with 1. And why not 2. ? That's part of Contador's job, after all.

Why are you so certain it was not a genuine effort by a committed professional to rise to a challenge? The fact that it benefited sponsors / team is nothing to sneer at. Had he not actually tried but merely ridden around you could claim it was all about publicity or marketing and sneered at it as a 'marketing stunt', but surely the very fact Contador won and came fifth Giro/Tour demonstrates that he was committed and took it seriously - i.e. it wasn't just 'marketing'. Unless you are saying that Contador is so great that he can be trying for a mere stunt - implying no real commitment to actually achieving his asserted objective - and STILL win and come fifth in the Tour…? wow, that might make you more of a Contador fan than I am.

Have you actual evidence that it was a marketing 'stunt', as opposed to a serious effort by a committed professional to rise to a challenge that hadnt been attempted for some considerable time which had the win:win or serving his sponsors and his team as well? Or is it just your opinion, stated as if this were some how fact?

The way Olga behaved tells me it was marketing.

 

[Carols]

OMG the same people saying the same things over and over again for pages....geez. Guess you detractors just can't stand the well established fact that Alberto is the best GT rider from 2007 to date.

 

[sir fly]

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OMG the same people saying the same things over and over again for pages....geez. Guess you detractors just can't stand the well established fact that Alberto is the best GT rider from 2007 to date.

Is this your best shot?!

 

[peloton]

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OMG the same people saying the same things over and over again for pages....geez. Guess you detractors just can't stand the well established fact that Alberto is the best GT rider from 2007 to date.

Kinda funny, isn't it, especially coming from Sky fans

 

[Red Rick]

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OMG the same people saying the same things over and over again for pages....geez. Guess you detractors just can't stand the well established fact that Alberto is the best GT rider from 2007 to date.

Is this your best shot?!

You do realize the first part of that statement is true right?

 

[BigMac]

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OMG the same people saying the same things over and over again for pages....geez. Guess you detractors just can't stand the well established fact that Alberto is the best GT rider from 2007 to date.

Is this your best shot?!

You do realize the first part of that statement is true right?

All of it, I daresay.

 

[sir fly]

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OMG the same people saying the same things over and over again for pages....geez. Guess you detractors just can't stand the well established fact that Alberto is the best GT rider from 2007 to date.

Is this your best shot?!

You do realize the first part of that statement is true right?

All of it, I daresay.

Don't you dare!

 

[dacooley]

some fans often can not even accept idea that their rider may not be the strongest while on top form which nips any discussion in the bud

 

[ray j willings]

I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

 

[ray j willings]

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froome is the only guy who can force a tip top bertie to finish in 2nd or 3rd place in the tour and dawg is probably the biggest reason why contador hasn't won anything in the tour since 2010.

Which year, in your opinion, could Contador have won the Tour if not for Froome?

2015. I think if Froome isn't at the Tour Contador goes for the Tour in order to win the Tour rather than settle for a Giro.

You know full well that's Bullsh%% yet you post your comments anyway.


Froome when the tour route was announced "The team and I will have to give it some careful consideration before we make any commitments to which of the grand tours I will compete in. I see myself as quite a balanced GC rider and the Giro with its inclusion of a long TT of 60km [37 miles] and tough uphill finishes will make it a well-balanced race which suits me well.

“If I did the Giro I may also be able to get myself back to top shape for the Vuelta and go there with a realistic chance of aiming for the win.

“In the past I’ve only targeted one grand tour each season but it could be a good opportunity for me to focus seriously on two. It’s still early days though and we’ll have to sit down and put our heads together as a team to work out what 2015 is going to look like for us.”

So who avoided who .Froome changed his mind and rode the tour once he knew Bertie was riding the Giro.
It was Froome and Sky who avoided Bertie not the other way round.
Froome said that in the event he does go, Contador would be favourite

You can prove anything with facts

 

[Pricey_sky]

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I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

You are right Ray however you need to state the facts for both sides also, for example you don't mention Froome beating Contador in Andalucia (not just a stage win but GC too which is more important) you just mention the 2 stage where Contador beat Froome. You also don't mention that Froome was overall the strongest for 18 days on this years Tour you just focus on the 2 stages he wasn't.

I agree Contador was in great shape last year and I even backed him financially to win the Tour, I believed he would win. I hope he returns to that form next year and we can have a great race. Contador v Froome in top form would be a great battle and even as a Froome fan I couldnt call which way it would go.

 

[sir fly]

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I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

I was talking about gaps, ray.
Here's a reminder: viewtopic.php?p=1808379#p1808379
Further I don't even want to reply, 'cause ignoring the facts doesn't deserve it.

 

[dacooley]

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I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

oh, ray, actually it applies to both contador and froome camps.

the 2014 vuelta proves nothing but contador was noticeably stronger than froome at that point in time and secured a beautiful victory. any kinds of generalizations and attempts to extrapolate the vuelta on the future are improper.

 

[ray j willings]

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I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

You are right Ray however you need to state the facts for both sides also, for example you don't mention Froome beating Contador in Andalucia (not just a stage win but GC too which is more important) you just mention the 2 stage where Contador beat Froome. You also don't mention that Froome was overall the strongest for 18 days on this years Tour you just focus on the 2 stages he wasn't.

I agree Contador was in great shape last year and I even backed him financially to win the Tour, I believed he would win. I hope he returns to that form next year and we can have a great race. Contador v Froome in top form would be a great battle and even as a Froome fan I couldnt call which way it would go.

Froome did drop Contador as well but I was highlighting points to explain my position.
I have stated many times that Froome is a great rider. This years tour was really exciting and Froome did magnificent to hang on. I give kudo's.
It's the stupid comments that are made by Froome fans like Sirfly and dacooley who never want to answer points like the fact that Froome gets dropped in the 3rd week of every tour or like the fact that at his best he his not good enough to beat a fit Bertie over 3 weeks. He never has and there is nothing factual to back that up.
Instead its all cheap digs and assumptions. If Bertie is not good enough next year I will say. If Froome beats him fair and square I will say.
Last years Dauphine when Froome went bonkers and couldn't ride Bertie off his wheel that was awesome stuff. More please next year.
But he cannot sustain that for every stage as this years tour proved. In-fact maybe he should ride a more balanced 3 weeks or stage race and he may be stronger at the end.
I don't agree that Froome was strongest over 18 days of the tour. He was struggling on a lot of days and there was more than one occasion when Thomas had to ease up. He could not respond to attacks at all. Thomas did a great job and without him he would have not won.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

oh, ray, actually it applies to both contador and froome camps.

No it doesn't Bertie is stronger when on form so it only it only applies to Froome fans.

 

[sir fly]

Re: Re:

I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

You are right Ray however you need to state the facts for both sides also, for example you don't mention Froome beating Contador in Andalucia (not just a stage win but GC too which is more important) you just mention the 2 stage where Contador beat Froome. You also don't mention that Froome was overall the strongest for 18 days on this years Tour you just focus on the 2 stages he wasn't.

I agree Contador was in great shape last year and I even backed him financially to win the Tour, I believed he would win. I hope he returns to that form next year and we can have a great race. Contador v Froome in top form would be a great battle and even as a Froome fan I couldnt call which way it would go.

Froome did drop Contador as well but I was highlighting points to explain my position.
I have stated many times that Froome is a great rider. This years tour was really exciting and Froome did magnificent to hang on. I give kudo's.
It's the stupid comments that are made by Froome fans like Sirfly and dacooley who never want to answer points like the fact that Froome gets dropped in the 3rd week of every tour or like the fact that at his best he his not good enough to beat a fit Bertie over 3 weeks. He never has and there is nothing factual to back that up.
Instead its all cheap digs and assumptions. If Bertie is not good enough next year I will say. If Froome beats him fair and square I will say.
Last years Dauphine when Froome went bonkers and couldn't ride Bertie off his wheel that was awesome stuff. More please next year.
But he cannot sustain that for every stage as this years tour proved. In-fact maybe he should ride a more balanced 3 weeks or stage race and he may be stronger at the end.
I don't agree that Froome was strongest over 18 days of the tour. He was struggling on a lot of days and there was more than one occasion when Thomas had to ease up. He could not respond to attacks at all. Thomas did a great job and without him he would have not won.

And when did Contador drop peak Froome?
He doesn't even have the courage to face him in the peak condition, making up the dubble - bubble.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

I was talking about gaps, ray.
Here's a reminder: viewtopic.php?p=1808379#p1808379
Further I don't even want to reply, 'cause ignoring the facts doesn't deserve it.

Time gap caused by wind split 1.28 .... FACT

1.12 was the difference at the end . FACT

Without the wind split Quintana would have won.

 

[sir fly]

Re: Re:

I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

I was talking about gaps, ray.
Here's a reminder: viewtopic.php?p=1808379#p1808379
Further I don't even want to reply, 'cause ignoring the facts doesn't deserve it.

Time gap caused by wind split 1.28 ....

1.12 was the difference at the end .

Without the wind split Quintana would have won.

Gaps between all the contenders, man. Don't be rude.
Go to the original post and you'll see a noun in the plural and a verb "be" in the appropriate shape.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

You are right Ray however you need to state the facts for both sides also, for example you don't mention Froome beating Contador in Andalucia (not just a stage win but GC too which is more important) you just mention the 2 stage where Contador beat Froome. You also don't mention that Froome was overall the strongest for 18 days on this years Tour you just focus on the 2 stages he wasn't.

I agree Contador was in great shape last year and I even backed him financially to win the Tour, I believed he would win. I hope he returns to that form next year and we can have a great race. Contador v Froome in top form would be a great battle and even as a Froome fan I couldnt call which way it would go.

Froome did drop Contador as well but I was highlighting points to explain my position.
I have stated many times that Froome is a great rider. This years tour was really exciting and Froome did magnificent to hang on. I give kudo's.
It's the stupid comments that are made by Froome fans like Sirfly and dacooley who never want to answer points like the fact that Froome gets dropped in the 3rd week of every tour or like the fact that at his best he his not good enough to beat a fit Bertie over 3 weeks. He never has and there is nothing factual to back that up.
Instead its all cheap digs and assumptions. If Bertie is not good enough next year I will say. If Froome beats him fair and square I will say.
Last years Dauphine when Froome went bonkers and couldn't ride Bertie off his wheel that was awesome stuff. More please next year.
But he cannot sustain that for every stage as this years tour proved. In-fact maybe he should ride a more balanced 3 weeks or stage race and he may be stronger at the end.
I don't agree that Froome was strongest over 18 days of the tour. He was struggling on a lot of days and there was more than one occasion when Thomas had to ease up. He could not respond to attacks at all. Thomas did a great job and without him he would have not won.

And when did Contador drop peak Froome?
He doesn't even have the courage to face him in the peak condition, making up the dubble - bubble.

Oh yeah, he totally was afraid in 2014, when he tried to win the tour
Beating him in the vuelta must have scared him really bad
And we know gaps is the plural of gap, now why does it matter? Show that you can type with less errors

 

[sir fly]

Re: Re:

I must say how much I have enjoyed the recent posts of Sir fly and his ability to ignore all the facts " like the time gap" and all the other factual posts that have been made. i'e' Froome getting dropped in the last week of the tour by Quintana. Froome getting dropped in the 2013 tour. Bertie putting him to the sword all last year and dropping him and beating him in a tt this year. Those FACTS are just ignored.

Instead he try's very weakly in desperation to call Contadors double attempt a marketing stunt "like Oleg and Bertie need the money" and even at one point resort to childish name calling because he could not answer the questions above with out looking even more desperate.

And Da Cooley your right, some fans can't accept that their Fav rider is not the strongest when on top Form . 2014 proves that and the last week of the tour proves that.

cheers

You are right Ray however you need to state the facts for both sides also, for example you don't mention Froome beating Contador in Andalucia (not just a stage win but GC too which is more important) you just mention the 2 stage where Contador beat Froome. You also don't mention that Froome was overall the strongest for 18 days on this years Tour you just focus on the 2 stages he wasn't.

I agree Contador was in great shape last year and I even backed him financially to win the Tour, I believed he would win. I hope he returns to that form next year and we can have a great race. Contador v Froome in top form would be a great battle and even as a Froome fan I couldnt call which way it would go.

Froome did drop Contador as well but I was highlighting points to explain my position.
I have stated many times that Froome is a great rider. This years tour was really exciting and Froome did magnificent to hang on. I give kudo's.
It's the stupid comments that are made by Froome fans like Sirfly and dacooley who never want to answer points like the fact that Froome gets dropped in the 3rd week of every tour or like the fact that at his best he his not good enough to beat a fit Bertie over 3 weeks. He never has and there is nothing factual to back that up.
Instead its all cheap digs and assumptions. If Bertie is not good enough next year I will say. If Froome beats him fair and square I will say.
Last years Dauphine when Froome went bonkers and couldn't ride Bertie off his wheel that was awesome stuff. More please next year.
But he cannot sustain that for every stage as this years tour proved. In-fact maybe he should ride a more balanced 3 weeks or stage race and he may be stronger at the end.
I don't agree that Froome was strongest over 18 days of the tour. He was struggling on a lot of days and there was more than one occasion when Thomas had to ease up. He could not respond to attacks at all. Thomas did a great job and without him he would have not won.

And when did Contador drop peak Froome?
He doesn't even have the courage to face him in the peak condition, making up the dubble - bubble.

Oh yeah, he totally was afraid in 2014, when he tried to win the tour
Beating him in the vuelta must have scared him really bad
And we know gaps is the plural of gap, now why does it matter? Show that you can type with less errors

It matters 'cause certain member is insisting on singular in order to falsely present my post.
What errors?
You might have been reading your own posts.