Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Ricco']

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Besides, what big races did Tinkov win without Contador? Just the Ronde van Vlaanderen (the World Champs is ridden with country teams) .

Two Vuelta wins and a Giro win is not to be snuffed at, only Nibali and Froome have done better in the same time period. He also won Pais Vasco twice and the Tirreno-Adriatico once. Sagan can't even win the Eneco Tour.

Contador brought in the biggest victories by far for Tinkov and this is how he treats him. That's why people like Tinkov are pure garbage.

But do you think Tinkov cares about the Vuelta? It's some minor race to him, a consolation prize. Tinkov seems like one of those guys who only cares about the Tour, all the investment he originally made was to win the Tour and that objective wasn't accomplished.

 

[El Pistolero]

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Besides, what big races did Tinkov win without Contador? Just the Ronde van Vlaanderen (the World Champs is ridden with country teams) .

Two Vuelta wins and a Giro win is not to be snuffed at, only Nibali and Froome have done better in the same time period. He also won Pais Vasco twice and the Tirreno-Adriatico once. Sagan can't even win the Eneco Tour.

Contador brought in the biggest victories by far for Tinkov and this is how he treats him. That's why people like Tinkov are pure garbage.

But do you think Tinkov cares about the Vuelta? It's some minor race to him, a consolation prize. Tinkov seems like one of those guys who only cares about the Tour, all the investment he originally made was to win the Tour and that objective wasn't accomplished.

Don't sponsor cycling then if you only care about one race. Besides, he complained Contador was too focused on the Tour. He sounds like the typical boss that can only criticize you, but never compliment you.

Tinkov never won the Tour because his team sucked besides a couple of big names. You need a squad with depth and Tinkov failed to deliver that. That's his fault and not Contador's.

And sometimes things are out of your control, like crashes... Tinkov should know all about that considering how much money he lost because of the Western trade embargoes against Russia. But hey, I guess he's just a poor businessman. :lol:

If I was Contador I'd invest some of Tinkov's money into the LGBT-community in Russia just to spite him.

 

[Jancouver]

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Finally someone stating the truth about Velasco The *** Pistolero.
So down to earth he's disliked by the entire staff.

You **** ROCK Mr.Oleg.

Is it possible that he was venting his bad luck and inability to compete with the best riders on everyone else around him?

I believe he used to be a nice guy, but people do change and I can imagine by facing some difficult periods, perhaps he became a ***.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Besides, what big races did Tinkov win without Contador? Just the Ronde van Vlaanderen (the World Champs is ridden with country teams) .

Two Vuelta wins and a Giro win is not to be snuffed at, only Nibali and Froome have done better in the same time period. He also won Pais Vasco twice and the Tirreno-Adriatico once. Sagan can't even win the Eneco Tour.

Contador brought in the biggest victories by far for Tinkov and this is how he treats him. That's why people like Tinkov are pure garbage.

But do you think Tinkov cares about the Vuelta? It's some minor race to him, a consolation prize. Tinkov seems like one of those guys who only cares about the Tour, all the investment he originally made was to win the Tour and that objective wasn't accomplished.

Don't sponsor cycling then if you only care about one race. Besides, he complained Contador was too focused on the Tour. He sounds like the typical boss that can only criticize you, but never compliment you.

Tinkov never won the Tour because his team sucked besides a couple of big names. You need a squad with depth and Tinkov failed to deliver that. That's his fault and not Contador's.

And sometimes things are out of your control, like crashes... Tinkov should know all about that considering how much money he lost because of the Western trade embargoes against Russia. But hey, I guess he's just a poor businessman. :lol:

If I was Contador I'd invest some of Tinkov's money into the LGBT-community in Russia just to spite him.

Don't even try to explain Contador's failures in Tour de France by his team. Its ridiculous, you know it. He has crashed 2 times, sucked 1 time (Contador 13-style, Quintana 2016-style) and raced the Giro 1 time ahead of the Tour. At no time has his team cost anything near a win.

 

[El Pistolero]

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Besides, what big races did Tinkov win without Contador? Just the Ronde van Vlaanderen (the World Champs is ridden with country teams) .

Two Vuelta wins and a Giro win is not to be snuffed at, only Nibali and Froome have done better in the same time period. He also won Pais Vasco twice and the Tirreno-Adriatico once. Sagan can't even win the Eneco Tour.

Contador brought in the biggest victories by far for Tinkov and this is how he treats him. That's why people like Tinkov are pure garbage.

But do you think Tinkov cares about the Vuelta? It's some minor race to him, a consolation prize. Tinkov seems like one of those guys who only cares about the Tour, all the investment he originally made was to win the Tour and that objective wasn't accomplished.

Don't sponsor cycling then if you only care about one race. Besides, he complained Contador was too focused on the Tour. He sounds like the typical boss that can only criticize you, but never compliment you.

Tinkov never won the Tour because his team sucked besides a couple of big names. You need a squad with depth and Tinkov failed to deliver that. That's his fault and not Contador's.

And sometimes things are out of your control, like crashes... Tinkov should know all about that considering how much money he lost because of the Western trade embargoes against Russia. But hey, I guess he's just a poor businessman. :lol:

If I was Contador I'd invest some of Tinkov's money into the LGBT-community in Russia just to spite him.

Don't even try to explain Contador's failures in Tour de France by his team. Its ridiculous, you know it. He has crashed 2 times, sucked 1 time (Contador 13-style, Quintana 2016-style) and raced the Giro 1 time ahead of the Tour. At no time has his team cost anything near a win.

He never has a team to position him safely in the peloton. That's unneeded stress. He raced the Giro one time ahead, so what? Tinkov was very supportive at the time if you don't remember. He even offered Froome, Nibali and Quintana money to ride the Giro/Tour double. He's a hypocrite and you know it.

 

[lenric]

He has crashed on all the GTs he participated since the 2011's Tour (probably with the exception of 2012's and 2014's Vuelta). Sometimes more than once and I seriously doubt that in at least half of them he wasn't the main responsible to his falls.

But hey, we're talking about Contador, so his fans do whatever they can to find excuses to justify his underperformances. Normal behavior from people like you after all.

 

[Jancouver]

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Besides, what big races did Tinkov win without Contador? Just the Ronde van Vlaanderen (the World Champs is ridden with country teams) .

Two Vuelta wins and a Giro win is not to be snuffed at, only Nibali and Froome have done better in the same time period. He also won Pais Vasco twice and the Tirreno-Adriatico once. Sagan can't even win the Eneco Tour.

Contador brought in the biggest victories by far for Tinkov and this is how he treats him. That's why people like Tinkov are pure garbage.

But do you think Tinkov cares about the Vuelta? It's some minor race to him, a consolation prize. Tinkov seems like one of those guys who only cares about the Tour, all the investment he originally made was to win the Tour and that objective wasn't accomplished.

Don't sponsor cycling then if you only care about one race. Besides, he complained Contador was too focused on the Tour. He sounds like the typical boss that can only criticize you, but never compliment you.

Tinkov never won the Tour because his team sucked besides a couple of big names. You need a squad with depth and Tinkov failed to deliver that. That's his fault and not Contador's.

And sometimes things are out of your control, like crashes... Tinkov should know all about that considering how much money he lost because of the Western trade embargoes against Russia. But hey, I guess he's just a poor businessman. :lol:

If I was Contador I'd invest some of Tinkov's money into the LGBT-community in Russia just to spite him.

Don't even try to explain Contador's failures in Tour de France by his team. Its ridiculous, you know it. He has crashed 2 times, sucked 1 time (Contador 13-style, Quintana 2016-style) and raced the Giro 1 time ahead of the Tour. At no time has his team cost anything near a win.

He never has a team to position him safely in the peloton. That's unneeded stress. He raced the Giro one time ahead, so what? Tinkov was very supportive at the time if you don't remember. He even offered Froome, Nibali and Quintana money to ride the Giro/Tour double. He's a hypocrite and you know it.

Didn't have a team to provide a safe position? He could just follow Sagan's wheel.

As far as I can remember, Sagan did not have any serious crashes at the TdF since he joined Tinkoff and Contador.

 

[El Pistolero]

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He has crashed on all the GTs he participated since the 2011's Tour (probably with the exception of 2012's and 2014's Vuelta). Sometimes more than once and I seriously doubt that in at least half of them he wasn't the main responsible to his falls.

But hey, we're talking about Contador, so his fans do whatever they can to find excuses to justify his underperformances. Normal behavior from people like you after all.

So what if he crashed? Have you ever ridden in a peloton of 200 men? No, you sit on your couch all day moaning about others.

Froome wouldn't have won his Tours with Contador's shitty team. We saw that at the Vuelta this year. If he has no super strong team, Froome always loses the race.

 

[El Pistolero]

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Didn't have a team to provide a safe position? He could just follow Sagan's wheel.

As far as I can remember, Sagan did not have any serious crashes at the TdF since he joined Tinkoff and Contador.

Sagan lost Paris-Roubaix this year because he got caught up behind crashes.

Where was his useless team then? Why don't we criticize him for not winning the most prestigious classic? As that is apparently all that matters to you guys.

 

[Jancouver]

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Didn't have a team to provide a safe position? He could just follow Sagan's wheel.

As far as I can remember, Sagan did not have any serious crashes at the TdF since he joined Tinkoff and Contador.

Sagan lost Paris-Roubaix this year because he got caught up behind crashes.

Where was his useless team then? Why don't we criticize him for not winning the most prestigious classic? As that is apparently all that matters to you guys.

This is the exact issue with Berto's fans. Every time there is an opinion or a solution you twist it. I said he could have followed Sagan's wheel at the TdF and you twisted about how Sagan is not a safe wheel to follow because this year he was stuck behind a crash at the P-R. :lol:

 

[El Pistolero]

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Didn't have a team to provide a safe position? He could just follow Sagan's wheel.

As far as I can remember, Sagan did not have any serious crashes at the TdF since he joined Tinkoff and Contador.

Sagan lost Paris-Roubaix this year because he got caught up behind crashes.

Where was his useless team then? Why don't we criticize him for not winning the most prestigious classic? As that is apparently all that matters to you guys.

This is the exact issue with Berto's fans. Every time there is an opinion or a solution you twist it. I said he could have followed Sagan's wheel at the TdF and you twisted about how Sagan is not a safe wheel to follow because this year he was stuck behind a crash at the P-R. :lol:

Do you really think it's that easy that you can just follow one rider's wheel all day in a peloton of 200 men? Do you even know how many people want to sit on Sagan's wheel during a stage? Especially in a hectic finale.

 

[Jelantik]

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Kreuziger was scheduled to ride the Tour of Suisse for GC, however he was called by Contador to enslave himself to him in a minor race.
Maybe Kreuziger had a reason to hold a grudge against Contador as well as Majka.

Anyway, who would want to enslave for a guy who is claiming all the time that he wants to win the Tour, but he's the only one that doesn't seem he can't do it anymore?

I think that's a remarkable claim. He crashed out twice when focused 100% on it. I do think Quintana and froome passed him, but that doesnt mean he cant win it anymore. Not even talking about 2014.

Just because he focused 100% on the Tour this year it doesn't mean he had the capacity to win it. If he can't keep himself from falling off his bike, he can't win the Tour. And I don't recall anyone who gets better with age past their thirties... apart from Horner. So time is against him.

Unfortunately for him, age is taking its toll and his inability to ride without falling is increasing so yes, I think he can't win the Tour anymore. And I'm not the only one.

wiggins, evans.. ? they didn't even win any GT before that? so why can't contador win it again? his chances are just the same as those guys. Froome and Quintana are stronger than him. But the situation in every race can turn a strong contender to not being able to contest (crashes, illness). So I said, Contador still has a chance. As long as he can stay upright first, avoid illness and maybe with some luck that his opponent aren't. I still say that's "a chance".

 

[dacooley]

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He has crashed on all the GTs he participated since the 2011's Tour (probably with the exception of 2012's and 2014's Vuelta). Sometimes more than once and I seriously doubt that in at least half of them he wasn't the main responsible to his falls.

But hey, we're talking about Contador, so his fans do whatever they can to find excuses to justify his underperformances. Normal behavior from people like you after all.

So what if he crashed? Have you ever ridden in a peloton of 200 men? No, you sit on your couch all day moaning about others.

Froome wouldn't have won his Tours with Contador's shitty team. We saw that at the Vuelta this year. If he has no super strong team, Froome always loses the race.

lol at always. you are putting like contador would've taken the race in suchlike situation 10 times out of 10. which tour contador won with shitty contador's team? none.

 

[Kokoso]

So much judgement here after one interview. Opinions on personalities made just by reading media. Medial image. In truth we know nothing about Tinkoff's or Contador's personality. We don't even know whether Tinkoff was honest in his interview, it's possible he wasn't. However it was not nice from him to openly speak like this about Contador. Another thing is whether it is or is not truth. Of course Contador lovers say it's bad to criticize openly. And say it is not true; of course. Just mind you Contador doesn't have problem to criticize openly either. And it looks that he wasn't very generous leader, too; but he could have been generous other, medialy invisible way; I know nothing. ;

 

[lenric]

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He has crashed on all the GTs he participated since the 2011's Tour (probably with the exception of 2012's and 2014's Vuelta). Sometimes more than once and I seriously doubt that in at least half of them he wasn't the main responsible to his falls.

But hey, we're talking about Contador, so his fans do whatever they can to find excuses to justify his underperformances. Normal behavior from people like you after all.

So what if he crashed? Have you ever ridden in a peloton of 200 men? No, you sit on your couch all day moaning about others.

Froome wouldn't have won his Tours with Contador's shitty team. We saw that at the Vuelta this year. If he has no super strong team, Froome always loses the race.

Froome was more tired than Quintana, seeing that the british won the Tour and rode the Olympics. I supposed that that was obvious. Apparently not.
There was a time (prior to 2011) when Contador had teams worse than the ones he has had in the last years and he didn't crash as much as he does nowadays.

Other than that you need to get off of your couch and chill out so that you can stop moaning about different opinions than yours.


@Jelantik

We all know why Wiggins (who was younger than Contador will be next year) won the 2012's Tour, don't we?
About Evans, I forgot him, so you're right about it. There is only two differences: his competition wasn't near Froome's level (but we can argue that Andy was close to Quintana) and his form had not dropped considerably until 2011. But I repeat: I forgot him, so I give you kudos about it.

 

[Kwibus]

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So much judgement here after one interview. Opinions on personalities made just by reading media. Medial image. In truth we know nothing about Tinkoff's or Contador's personality. We don't even know whether Tinkoff was honest in his interview, it's possible he wasn't. However it was not nice from him to openly speak like this about Contador. Another thing is whether it is or is not truth. Of course Contador lovers say it's bad to criticize openly. And say it is not true; of course. Just mind you Contador doesn't have problem to criticize openly either. And it looks that he wasn't very generous leader, too; but he could have been generous other, medialy invisible way; I know nothing. ;

Good post, specially the first half.

Sometimes we (humans) really are idiots.

 

[movingtarget]

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Kreuziger was scheduled to ride the Tour of Suisse for GC, however he was called by Contador to enslave himself to him in a minor race.
Maybe Kreuziger had a reason to hold a grudge against Contador as well as Majka.

Anyway, who would want to enslave for a guy who is claiming all the time that he wants to win the Tour, but he's the only one that doesn't seem he can't do it anymore?

I think that's a remarkable claim. He crashed out twice when focused 100% on it. I do think Quintana and froome passed him, but that doesnt mean he cant win it anymore. Not even talking about 2014.

Just because he focused 100% on the Tour this year it doesn't mean he had the capacity to win it. If he can't keep himself from falling off his bike, he can't win the Tour. And I don't recall anyone who gets better with age past their thirties... apart from Horner. So time is against him.

Unfortunately for him, age is taking its toll and his inability to ride without falling is increasing so yes, I think he can't win the Tour anymore. And I'm not the only one.

wiggins, evans.. ? they didn't even win any GT before that? so why can't contador win it again? his chances are just the same as those guys. Froome and Quintana are stronger than him. But the situation in every race can turn a strong contender to not being able to contest (crashes, illness). So I said, Contador still has a chance. As long as he can stay upright first, avoid illness and maybe with some luck that his opponent aren't. I still say that's "a chance".

Wiggins would not have gotten a better year to target the Tour with the TTs and Froome as a team mate not an adversary, Evans off his best form and no Contador. You can't compare Evans to Contador as he had a relatively late start to his GT career and he was a better rider after 30 than before it. His first Tour podium was at 30 years of age. Contador has had a shocking run of luck in the Tour with crashes and in 2012 he was not at his best form. To say that Contador is as some people say, never the cause of the crashes is wrong especially with some of the more recent ones. Like Evans he was always a good bike handler but Evans team especially BMC seemed to much more effective at protecting him so it's curious as to why Contador crashes so much. Contador never had such issues in the Giro nor usually in the Vuelta. I can't see Contador winning another GT unless he bypasses the Tour which he isn't going to do according to him and even then he will now find it much tougher now than when he won his last GT simply because there is more competition from the younger riders now and Contador is not the dominant force on the climbs that he used to be.

 

[Pippo_San]

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Finally someone stating the truth about Velasco The *** Pistolero.
So down to earth he's disliked by the entire staff.

You **** ROCK Mr.Oleg.

Is it possible that he was venting his bad luck and inability to compete with the best riders on everyone else around him?

I believe he used to be a nice guy, but people do change and I can imagine by facing some difficult periods, perhaps he became a ***.

I'd really love to hear more from the Tinkoff staff. Maybe in a few years we'll know their honest answers.
Pistolero my ass.
Never bought on his attitude.

 

[Kokoso]

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So much judgement here after one interview. Opinions on personalities made just by reading media. Medial image. In truth we know nothing about Tinkoff's or Contador's personality. We don't even know whether Tinkoff was honest in his interview, it's possible he wasn't. However it was not nice from him to openly speak like this about Contador. Another thing is whether it is or is not truth. Of course Contador lovers say it's bad to criticize openly. And say it is not true; of course. Just mind you Contador doesn't have problem to criticize openly either. And it looks that he wasn't very generous leader, too; but he could have been generous other, medialy invisible way; I know nothing. ;

Good post, specially the first half.

Sometimes we (humans) really are idiots.

In the second half I hint on Contador never giving Kreuziger chance to go for stage win when working for him. Never. Ever. Or were they always DS's decisions? It's unlikely they were Kreuziger's. I remember Tirreno 2014 where Kreuziger had great shape and was certainly going for stage win attacking in stage 4; he was stopped short before finish. Yes, maybe not by Contador, but DS, I don't know that, I have to admit. Or lately Dauphine this year (Kreuziger was pulled back there from Tour de Suisse where he should be leader for GC), he was in attack but was pulled back, totally unnecesarily.

People talk about how Tinkoff should hire better domestiques... Truth is his domestiques weren't bad on the paper - Kiserlovski, Trofimov, Rogers, Kreuziger, Majka...that's decent firepower on the paper. Only mostly they didn't seem to give their last breath when working for Contador except for Kreuziger and Rogers, but we all know why Rogers ended carreer. If nor for that, team help could look differently this season, mind you. This was something Tinkoff couldn't influence in any possible way.

 

[El Pistolero]

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He has crashed on all the GTs he participated since the 2011's Tour (probably with the exception of 2012's and 2014's Vuelta). Sometimes more than once and I seriously doubt that in at least half of them he wasn't the main responsible to his falls.

But hey, we're talking about Contador, so his fans do whatever they can to find excuses to justify his underperformances. Normal behavior from people like you after all.

So what if he crashed? Have you ever ridden in a peloton of 200 men? No, you sit on your couch all day moaning about others.

Froome wouldn't have won his Tours with Contador's shitty team. We saw that at the Vuelta this year. If he has no super strong team, Froome always loses the race.

Froome was more tired than Quintana, seeing that the british won the Tour and rode the Olympics. I supposed that that was obvious. Apparently not.
There was a time (prior to 2011) when Contador had teams worse than the ones he has had in the last years and he didn't crash as much as he does nowadays.

Other than that you need to get off of your couch and chill out so that you can stop moaning about different opinions than yours.


@Jelantik

We all know why Wiggins (who was younger than Contador will be next year) won the 2012's Tour, don't we?
About Evans, I forgot him, so you're right about it. There is only two differences: his competition wasn't near Froome's level (but we can argue that Andy was close to Quintana) and his form had not dropped considerably until 2011. But I repeat: I forgot him, so I give you kudos about it.

Froome was stronger than Quintana during the Vuelta, he only lost the Vuelta because his team decided to have a collective rest day on an important stage. Froome can't win without a mutant strong team. They've bailed him out so many times.

Tinkov is the owner of the team, so he's responsible for all its failures. And his team sucked, there was little depth or cohesion and he's certainly to blame for that poor leadership. He rules his team like a tyrant, no wonder people are not motivated to help each other.

 

[lenric]

Froome made a tactical mistake (or didn't have the capacity to pursue Contador and Quintana), much like other riders have done in the past, like Quintana or Contador. That doesn't mean he can't win without a good team (in the Tour he also attacked with Sagan and on a descent, which were good tactical moves and I doubt they were planned before hand). It's a fallacious argument.

This year's Tour, for example, nobody had the physical capacity to dethrone Froome.

About Tinkov, I agree that a lack of a proper leadership will lead to failure... and Tinkov wasn't a good leader, particularly when things went wrong. His manners are also inappropriate, but that doesn't make his opinion less plausible.

 

[movingtarget]

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Froome made a tactical mistake (or didn't have the capacity to pursue Contador and Quintana), much like other riders have done in the past, like Quintana or Contador. That doesn't mean he can't win without a good team (in the Tour he also attacked with Sagan and on a descent, which were good tactical moves and I doubt they were planned before hand). It's a fallacious argument.

This year's Tour, for example, nobody had the physical capacity to dethrone Froome.

About Tinkov, I agree that a lack of a proper leadership will lead to failure... and Tinkov wasn't a good leader, particularly when things went wrong. His manners are also inappropriate, but that doesn't make his opinion less plausible.

Froome made a tactical mistake. You would think by now they have woken up to Contador who is even more aggressive and dangerous when he is down the GC. The slight hesitation and looking for team mates thinking it was not serious soon changed when Froome woke up to the danger. This is probably why Sky do better in GTs than classics, in GTs they can use their firepower in an obvious way while in the classics every attack has to be addressed and the stop start of the racing does not suit Sky. That said their classics squad is nowhere near as strong as the GT squad.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

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Finally someone stating the truth about Velasco The *** Pistolero.
So down to earth he's disliked by the entire staff.

You **** ROCK Mr.Oleg.

Is it possible that he was venting his bad luck and inability to compete with the best riders on everyone else around him?

I believe he used to be a nice guy, but people do change and I can imagine by facing some difficult periods, perhaps he became a ***.

I'd really love to hear more from the Tinkoff staff. Maybe in a few years we'll know their honest answers.
Pistolero my ***.
Never bought on his attitude.

If you read interviews from the Bruyneel era they echo a lot of the same sentiments Oleg shared with us for example Alberto himself talks about having no relationship whatsoever with the non spaniards on Bruyneels Legendary Astana teams.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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Finally someone stating the truth about Velasco The *** Pistolero.
So down to earth he's disliked by the entire staff.

You **** ROCK Mr.Oleg.

Is it possible that he was venting his bad luck and inability to compete with the best riders on everyone else around him?

I believe he used to be a nice guy, but people do change and I can imagine by facing some difficult periods, perhaps he became a ***.

I'd really love to hear more from the Tinkoff staff. Maybe in a few years we'll know their honest answers.
Pistolero my ***.
Never bought on his attitude.

If you read interviews from the Bruyneel era they echo a lot of the same sentiments Oleg shared with us for example Alberto himself talks about having no relationship whatsoever with the non spaniards on Bruyneels Legendary Astana teams.

In the Astana team it was no surprise, though. It was the Lance camp vs everyone else, especially vs Contador.
The question is what was it like at Saxo

 

[Mr.White]

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He has crashed on all the GTs he participated since the 2011's Tour (probably with the exception of 2012's and 2014's Vuelta). Sometimes more than once and I seriously doubt that in at least half of them he wasn't the main responsible to his falls.

But hey, we're talking about Contador, so his fans do whatever they can to find excuses to justify his underperformances. Normal behavior from people like you after all.

So what if he crashed? Have you ever ridden in a peloton of 200 men? No, you sit on your couch all day moaning about others.

Froome wouldn't have won his Tours with Contador's shitty team. We saw that at the Vuelta this year. If he has no super strong team, Froome always loses the race.

Froome was more tired than Quintana, seeing that the british won the Tour and rode the Olympics. I supposed that that was obvious. Apparently not.
There was a time (prior to 2011) when Contador had teams worse than the ones he has had in the last years and he didn't crash as much as he does nowadays.

Other than that you need to get off of your couch and chill out so that you can stop moaning about different opinions than yours.


@Jelantik

We all know why Wiggins (who was younger than Contador will be next year) won the 2012's Tour, don't we?
About Evans, I forgot him, so you're right about it. There is only two differences: his competition wasn't near Froome's level (but we can argue that Andy was close to Quintana) and his form had not dropped considerably until 2011. But I repeat: I forgot him, so I give you kudos about it.

Froome was stronger than Quintana during the Vuelta, he only lost the Vuelta because his team decided to have a collective rest day on an important stage. Froome can't win without a mutant strong team. They've bailed him out so many times.

Tinkov is the owner of the team, so he's responsible for all its failures. And his team sucked, there was little depth or cohesion and he's certainly to blame for that poor leadership. He rules his team like a tyrant, no wonder people are not motivated to help each other.

In what world?!