Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[hrotha]

Screw Berto's fans, this is about Oleg Tinkov.

 

[dacooley]

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Screw Berto's fans, this is about Oleg Tinkov.

there's pretty much nothing new about tinkov in this statements, but a number of interesting things about contador.

 

[Kwibus]

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As always when Tinkov speaks, I'm most amazed by those who think basic manners and decency shouldn't apply to him because he's rich and paying the bills. I hope you have more self-respect than that in how you deal with your employers in your personal lives.

Good post. Amazed is not my choice though, probably disgusted for me personally.

 

[Kwibus]

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Tinkov is a piece of ****. Honest but a terrible human being.

Highly social people like him will never be able to get introverts like Contador (or myself for that matters)..

Piece of ...t and terrible human being?

That's why he spent $50M to pay Berto, Sagan etc. If it wasn't for him, the team would be long gone ... years ago.

BTW Do you say the same about your employer? I can tell you never owned a business and have no idea what it takes to run a business/team and what the owners should expect from their employees.

A lot of bosses show classic signs of psychopathy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/#7664db0b2740

I don't understand why people should respect their bosses or employers... They pay me and I don't make negative statements in public (because you'd probably end up being fired, rightfully so), but I THINK what I want. Respect needs to be earned, it's not god-given. Tinkov certainly hasn't earned my respect. And I certainly won't feel sad when something terrible happens to such people. Why would I care what happens to billionaires anyway? Plenty of less fortunate people suffering.

And how does sponsoring a pro cycling team make him immune to being a terrible human being?

Got some serious case of jealousy here . I for one appreciate straight forward, non-PC bosses. Matter of preference and insecurities.

And to some previous poster:
Ended up could also mean that they received him with open mind and tolerated wgen he was serving a purpose to a team. Once he wasnt superior as an athlete, his personality wasnt tolerated anymore. We can speculate all we want. They dont like him, and if you want you can blame entire team outside of spaniards instead of a person that is not liked by vast majority of coworkers. Whatever makes you happy

I respect people for their personality. Certainly not because they are a boss or own a billion.

 

[TommyGun]

Criticism by such a class-A douchebag only reinforces my respect for Alberto! I see this as an endorsement on how much an honest down-to-earth guy Alberto is.

I am sure the atmosphere in the Tinkoff team explains a lot regarding Contador's performance this season: hopefully he will find a more professionnal environment at Trek.

 

[filipepc]

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Criticism by such a class-A ***** only reinforces my respect for Alberto! I see this as an endorsement on how much an honest down-to-earth guy Alberto is.

I am sure the atmosphere in the Tinkoff team explains a lot regarding Contador's performance this season: hopefully he will find a more professionnal environment at Trek.

All this mess about a interview of a rich guy that don´t have respect for people.

I think this kind of environment is not good for anyone. So i´m glad it had an end.

When a owner say the team just didn´t win the teams wt points because of just Contador, i wonder what the other riders are there doing??? The guy was second best tinkoff rider of the year, after Sagan... Why don´t he criticise majka, kreuziger, and other... Why they dind´t win the races they enter?

I think this interview is crap. Is a negative crap of someone that has much money and leave in a own world...

Just to finish the only thing i agree in the end is about lombardia. just that. But i believe Contador with so bad environment don´t want to make more efforts about thist team. But i agree that even if he wasn´t a favorite, he should have tried to compete and who knows... win some points to the world tour... But again i leave the question... The guys that were in lombardia by tinkoff, the guys that oleg like so much, why they dind´t win??? why?

If Contador is the bad one and the others so good, they should do it, shouldn´t they? Well, we all know that even if Contador is not on his best he is always Contador and can do good classifications.

So i´m here to give my opinion about next season... I think those like Oleg that say Contador can´t win anymore even a 1 week race, are completly crazy. He will win races next year, and he will be competitive, maybe he can´t beat Froome and Quintana, but i really believe he can do a good result in all the races he will be. Remember that, beacuse some of you defend he can´t.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Criticism by such a class-A ***** only reinforces my respect for Alberto! I see this as an endorsement on how much an honest down-to-earth guy Alberto is.

Bingo bingo

 

[samhocking]

He speaks sense about Contador not winning another Tour. The only riders post-war to win more than one Tour de France with more than 1 year between victories are Anquetil with a 3 year gap, Coppi, Hinault & Lemond with 2 years, that's it. Contador would be bucking the trend at 6 years.

 

[boasson]

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I think its pretty funny how the guys here react to Olegs interview.

Imagine he would say the exact same about Froome, 90 percent of the guys here would applaud.

The robot who pays to much attention to the nutrition. Nobody likes him. In reality he only won because of his team...

"Yeah, thats because we love our Alberto. Because he isn't someone like Froome..." would be the most common response here. "We are sad that Oleg leave cycling, he is a special one. Cycling will miss him..".

:lol:

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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I am sure the atmosphere in the Tinkoff team explains a lot regarding Contador's performance this season: hopefully he will find a more professionnal environment at Trek.

Umm... Contador performed at his career best when the atmosphere in his then team was nothing short of toxic. It's much more likely that he just doesn't have it anymore. In 3-week races, at least.

We'll see about Trek. I'm guessing he'll have a harder time there. Their TDF team probably won't be as strong as Tinkoff, and he'll only have a few yes men around him anymore - he couldn't even bring his trusted mechanic on board.

 

[filipepc]

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I think its pretty funny how the guys here react to Olegs interview.

Imagine he would say the exact same about Froome, 90 percent of the guys here would applaud.

The robot who pays to much attention to the nutrition. Nobody likes him. In reality he only won because of his team...

"Yeah, thats because we love our Alberto. Because he isn't someone like Froome..." would be the most common response here. "We are sad that Oleg leave cycling, he is a special one. Cycling will miss him..".

:lol:

No men, not everyone. I wouldn´t react well to that because Froome is a top cyclist.

About Contador being a guy who are always thinking about nutrition and things like that, he is a professional cyclist, he MUST be very attention to that. Nutrition, training, rest, are very important things in a career of a top athlete. I don´t see nothing wrong with that.

The rest is caracteristic of a person. Not everyone is open, not everyone like being in party´s, in sport and in life.

I will say this all year. I agree Contador as few chances of winning a tour de France again, but he will be suceeded again in some races. And you all see that.

People talk like a 4 th place in a vuelta or the good results he had in 1 week races in 2016 is result of a crap cyclist, lolololol. Nonsense.

 

[deValtos]

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He speaks sense about Contador not winning another Tour. The only riders post-war to win more than one Tour de France with more than 1 year between victories are Anquetil with a 3 year gap, Coppi, Hinault & Lemond with 2 years, that's it. Contador would be bucking the trend at 6 years.

To be fair Ullrich had a good shot at the 1997-2006 double before he got kicked.

 

[No_Balls]

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I think its pretty funny how the guys here react to Olegs interview.

Imagine he would say the exact same about Froome, 90 percent of the guys here would applaud.

The robot who pays to much attention to the nutrition. Nobody likes him. In reality he only won because of his team...

"Yeah, thats because we love our Alberto. Because he isn't someone like Froome..." would be the most common response here. "We are sad that Oleg leave cycling, he is a special one. Cycling will miss him..".

:lol:

And we all knows what happens if that bomb drops over at Froome's so the question is why you arent over there and kneel before your god?

 

[hfer07]

The trolls plaguing this un-moderated thread should be aware that although some of Tinkoffs statement have points its the manner of the statement that many (including me) have problem with. Criticising Contador for being too focused on the Tour while at the same time lashing out at the only one capable of winning Olegs favorite competition in Olegs team is not a side you would like to take boys. Can we have better Froome-trolls please?

After Tinkov's farewell trash talk, there is no doubt in my mind on why Contador seemed not fully motivated this season despite an apparent good shape- who wants to perform in an environment like that? I cannot imagine how desperate is he to fulfill his contract, leave it behind and start fresh his last chapter at peace

I would like to believe that but he has performed earlier in a very hostile team called Astana. I'm pretty sure Alberto has enough dedication to overcome that and as far as have been told i doubt he have had much to deal with Oleg during this year.

The Astana Affair was a coup against him while he was at the highest of his powers when he was above everyone and untouchable- that coup lasted one season when LA, Bruyneel & Co. went away. Nowadays -not being at the same, but still performing really well, he's tied to a signed contract with a team whose Owner is the least supportive- and not hiding it-yet pressuring to get the best of him with public rants/trash talk, while the relationship with some key team members (i.e Kreuziger, Majka etc. ) are close to zero while badmouthing him on tweeter or interviews .......... I mean - Who would want to get results for a team like that? The other matter is how long have the bad blood among them been going on for? since Tinkov fired Riis? Prior to that? then we're talking about 3 years dealing with that BS.....

Like I stated - I do believe Contador will perform much better with his new team- perhaps not to what we the fans wish for, but I still believe he still has one more GT in his legs.

 

[lenric]

Kreuziger was scheduled to ride the Tour of Suisse for GC, however he was called by Contador to enslave himself to him in a minor race.
Maybe Kreuziger had a reason to hold a grudge against Contador as well as Majka.

Anyway, who would want to enslave for a guy who is claiming all the time that he wants to win the Tour, but he's the only one that doesn't seem he can't do it anymore?

 

[Red Rick]

2009 and 2016 aren't comparable. Contador was on the height of his powers. Armstrong could never hurt him on the road. Still, Contador was had his share of nervy actions that year.

 

[Scarponi]

Can anyone name a team leader who is has a great relationship with the MAJORITY of the team? People will always be jealous, the lesser riders will resent a team leader because of the opportunities and especially if said team leader fails once or twice.

Seeing Oleg with his Pink hair standing in front of Contador spraying the champagne in 2015 Giro and then saying this is a huge gap in personality. Oleg is mentally ill

 

[Scarponi]

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My favourite bit of the Tinkoff interview:

Contador won’t be at the farewell party because I told him: you’re sick, stay at home, you can’t bring a virus to the party and make the other guys sick before the World Championships. I think the party will be better without him anyway because he’s a sad person. He never really wants to drink champagne and is always careful about what he eats because he’s focused on winning the Tour de France in July. That’s what he was like last November in Moscow. That’s a stupid attitude, that’s why he kept crashing, he’s too hard on himself and too focused. Peter is more relaxed and is easy going. The guys who are always serious are always boring. They can **** off. They’re boring guys, they have a terrible life.

haha on this point though, while ofcourse Sagan is in the 0.0001% fittest humans on the planet I am pretty sure a GC rider has to put that tiny bit extra in to maintain a weight.

 

[El Pistolero]

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Tinkov is a piece of ****. Honest but a terrible human being.

Highly social people like him will never be able to get introverts like Contador (or myself for that matters)..

Piece of ...t and terrible human being?

That's why he spent $50M to pay Berto, Sagan etc. If it wasn't for him, the team would be long gone ... years ago.

BTW Do you say the same about your employer? I can tell you never owned a business and have no idea what it takes to run a business/team and what the owners should expect from their employees.

A lot of bosses show classic signs of psychopathy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/#7664db0b2740

I don't understand why people should respect their bosses or employers... They pay me and I don't make negative statements in public (because you'd probably end up being fired, rightfully so), but I THINK what I want. Respect needs to be earned, it's not god-given. Tinkov certainly hasn't earned my respect. And I certainly won't feel sad when something terrible happens to such people. Why would I care what happens to billionaires anyway? Plenty of less fortunate people suffering.

And how does sponsoring a pro cycling team make him immune to being a terrible human being?

Got some serious case of jealousy here . I for one appreciate straight forward, non-PC bosses. Matter of preference and insecurities.

And to some previous poster:
Ended up could also mean that they received him with open mind and tolerated wgen he was serving a purpose to a team. Once he wasnt superior as an athlete, his personality wasnt tolerated anymore. We can speculate all we want. They dont like him, and if you want you can blame entire team outside of spaniards instead of a person that is not liked by vast majority of coworkers. Whatever makes you happy

I respect people for their personality. Certainly not because they are a boss or own a billion.

This. I could never respect a homophobe like Tinkov.

 

[Kwibus]

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I think its pretty funny how the guys here react to Olegs interview.

Imagine he would say the exact same about Froome, 90 percent of the guys here would applaud.

The robot who pays to much attention to the nutrition. Nobody likes him. In reality he only won because of his team...

"Yeah, thats because we love our Alberto. Because he isn't someone like Froome..." would be the most common response here. "We are sad that Oleg leave cycling, he is a special one. Cycling will miss him..".

:lol:

Sad victim post. There will a few people like that, maybe 10%.

 

[Kwibus]

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Kreuziger was scheduled to ride the Tour of Suisse for GC, however he was called by Contador to enslave himself to him in a minor race.
Maybe Kreuziger had a reason to hold a grudge against Contador as well as Majka.

Anyway, who would want to enslave for a guy who is claiming all the time that he wants to win the Tour, but he's the only one that doesn't seem he can't do it anymore?

I think that's a remarkable claim. He crashed out twice when focused 100% on it. I do think Quintana and froome passed him, but that doesnt mean he cant win it anymore. Not even talking about 2014.

 

[lenric]

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Kreuziger was scheduled to ride the Tour of Suisse for GC, however he was called by Contador to enslave himself to him in a minor race.
Maybe Kreuziger had a reason to hold a grudge against Contador as well as Majka.

Anyway, who would want to enslave for a guy who is claiming all the time that he wants to win the Tour, but he's the only one that doesn't seem he can't do it anymore?

I think that's a remarkable claim. He crashed out twice when focused 100% on it. I do think Quintana and froome passed him, but that doesnt mean he cant win it anymore. Not even talking about 2014.

Just because he focused 100% on the Tour this year it doesn't mean he had the capacity to win it. If he can't keep himself from falling off his bike, he can't win the Tour. And I don't recall anyone who gets better with age past their thirties... apart from Horner. So time is against him.

Unfortunately for him, age is taking its toll and his inability to ride without falling is increasing so yes, I think he can't win the Tour anymore. And I'm not the only one.

 

[Isaak-Gabriel]

Tinkov has a form of neurosis, he would love to be a great rider and money isn't enough for fill his envies. Only champions put a mark in people's mind, not oligarchs and he knows that. It's too difficult for him to live cycling as a proxy.

 

[memyselfandI]

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Well Alberto was bought in as a captain and as a captain he'll be punished. Oleg is like russians are, overwhelming generous when things go well and ruthlessly poisonous when they don't.

 

[El Pistolero]

Besides, what big races did Tinkov win without Contador? Just the Ronde van Vlaanderen (the World Champs is ridden with country teams) .

Two Vuelta wins and a Giro win is not to be snuffed at, only Nibali and Froome have done better in the same time period. He also won Pais Vasco twice and the Tirreno-Adriatico once. Sagan can't even win the Eneco Tour.

Contador brought in the biggest victories by far for Tinkov and this is how he treats him. That's why people like Tinkov are pure garbage.