Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Fidolix]

Is she telling us or not?

Don´t know Rich, we´re still waiting.

 

[johnnycash]

No it's not an opinion.

Contador his last GT where he could go all out was giro 2011, only 14 months ago. And he dominated that like it was nothing, best Contador untill now.

And that was already after the "steak"-affaire.

So on what do you base yourself that Contador won't be the same anymore as he used to be? he's only 29.

It's obvious you don't like him.

Some of us are fanboys ok, but fact is that Contador hasn't lost a GT since '07 except the tour 2011 and won so many other races meantime. We fanboys have reasons to level him so high.

So once again based on what do you think Contador won't be the same again?

Now is the time he's going to hide himself under "my opinion"...

What is it then, if its not an opinion?

I assume what you mean is my opinion is unfounded, and therefore you do not value it. Fair enough.

Why would I not like Alberto Contador as a cyclist?

No-one would bet £1000 on bad odds of an event happening (Like AC/CF winning the vuelta) so why would doing that validate my view?

 

[johnnycash]

Actually forget that, on betfair CF is 7/2 and Contador 3/5. Thats good enough for me, but not 1000 I'm not rich, I'll put £20 on CF.

Now any of you fanboys going to put your mortgages on AC, after all for you the question is how many minutes he'll win by, the win itself is a given isn't it, so why not?

 

[The Hitch]

What is it then, if its not an opinion?

I assume what you mean is my opinion is unfounded, and therefore you do not value it. Fair enough.

Why would I not like Alberto Contador as a cyclist?

No-one would bet £1000 on bad odds of an event happening (Like AC/CF winning the vuelta) so why would doing that validate my view?

I think most of what you have written here makes sense, and your opinion that AC wont reach the dizzy heights of 09 11 is not without logic. (I sincerely doubt Contador or anyone will ever go as fast up Plateau de Beile as he did in 07).

However, your doping comments, were wrong as they belong in the clinic, if only because we cannot respond to them here. Feel free to rip him all you want down there.

 

[Netserk]

I think most of what you have written here makes sense, and your opinion that AC wont reach the dizzy heights of 09 11 is not without logic. (I sincerely doubt Contador or anyone will ever go as fast up Plateau de Beile as he did in 07).

However, your doping comments, were wrong as they belong in the clinic, if only because we cannot respond to them here. Feel free to rip him all you want down there.

Is the clinic the Hell of CN forum?

 

[Miburo]

I think most of what you have written here makes sense, and your opinion that AC wont reach the dizzy heights of 09 11 is not without logic. (I sincerely doubt Contador or anyone will ever go as fast up Plateau de Beile as he did in 07).

Why wouldn't he reach his giro '11 level anymore?

If you say '07 and '09 that's different but clinic-talk.

Hard to compare it, especially cause it was the giro where he was top though.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Enough with the doping talk. Take it to the Clinic or face sanctions.

Susan

 

[The Hitch]

Why wouldn't he reach his giro '11 level anymore?

If you say '07 and '09 that's different but clinic-talk.

Hard to compare it, especially cause it was the giro where he was top though.

Its not uncommon for riders to get better or worse over time. This year as any other some riders have performed significantly above expectations - top 2 in giro for example and othersh have bombed big time- scarponi basso gadret dupont rujano. Im not saying contador wont win the vuelta by 10 minutes. He might improve further as he goes into his 30's or he might begin to.fade. There are many variables so we can't say for certain how The Great One will continue.

 

[richwagmn]

Enough with the doping talk. Take it to the Clinic or face sanctions.

Susan

Fear the one with the kitty avatar. Really.

 

[richwagmn]

Actually forget that, on betfair CF is 7/2 and Contador 3/5. Thats good enough for me, but not 1000 I'm not rich, I'll put £20 on CF.

Now any of you fanboys going to put your mortgages on AC, after all for you the question is how many minutes he'll win by, the win itself is a given isn't it, so why not?

Why in the world would the posters to a thread designated as the Alberto Contador fanboy thread believe that Alberto would win? Craziness.

 

[ferryman]

Enough with the doping talk. Take it to the Clinic or face sanctions.

Susan

What's worse? Implied clinic talk or obvious trolling by a certain poster on a Contador thread? Or both by same said poster.

 

[Fidolix]

Actually forget that, on betfair CF is 7/2 and Contador 3/5. Thats good enough for me, but not 1000 I'm not rich, I'll put £20 on CF.

Now any of you fanboys going to put your mortgages on AC, after all for you the question is how many minutes he'll win by, the win itself is a given isn't it, so why not?

Maybe it was a better idea to start a betting agency in the Froomey fanboy club thread, odds in your favor.

 

[Fidolix]

Its not uncommon for riders to get better or worse over time. This year as any other some riders have performed significantly above expectations - top 2 in giro for example and othersh have bombed big time- scarponi basso gadret dupont rujano. Im not saying contador wont win the vuelta by 10 minutes. He might improve further as he goes into his 30's or he might begin to.fade. There are many variables so we can't say for certain how The Great One will continue.

Originally Posted by The Hitch
"As to the other aspects of the race (if there are any), Igor Anton, sorry mate not this year either.

Joaquim Rodriguez - unlucky man. How do you choose, Tour with 90km tt or a Vuelta with Contador.

Ivan Basso - errr you still want to do the Vuelta?"

You were otherwise so more confident in your case in June that you practically made him superman, what has made ​​you change your mind since then?

 

[The Hitch]

Originally Posted by The Hitch
"As to the other aspects of the race (if there are any), Igor Anton, sorry mate not this year either.

Joaquim Rodriguez - unlucky man. How do you choose, Tour with 90km tt or a Vuelta with Contador.

Ivan Basso - errr you still want to do the Vuelta?"

You were otherwise so more confident in your case in June that you practically made him superman, what has made ​​you change your mind since then?

That was not fully serious.
But yes i am pretty certain that barring injury he will win this Vuelta with relative ease. THe post i made on this thread an hour ago was more about how COntador will continue into his 30's.

 

[Miburo]

Its not uncommon for riders to get better or worse over time. This year as any other some riders have performed significantly above expectations - top 2 in giro for example and othersh have bombed big time- scarponi basso gadret dupont rujano. Im not saying contador wont win the vuelta by 10 minutes. He might improve further as he goes into his 30's or he might begin to.fade. There are many variables so we can't say for certain how The Great One will continue.

Time will only tell I guess. But i'm going to hold myself on the statement of Contador himself "I've broken my training record twice this year".

Btw this dude is so hungry to win. Probably in the last 10,20 years one of the most competitive riders.

I think that plays a hugh role, for example with Basso, that went away after giro '10 I think. Ok he got old but still;

 

[johnnycash]

What's worse? Implied clinic talk or obvious trolling by a certain poster on a Contador thread? Or both by same said poster.

Is that aimed at me? I'm not really 'trolling' am I (such a lame term), I just have a different view to you.

Just been out for a ride and you're still slagging me off for not worshipping him as much as you do. This is the "AC thread", not the "AC is indisputeably great and always will be" thread.

If someone gets attacked for not necessarily being of the same view as you, there's not much point in a forum is there.

I'm not saying AC has peaked because of his age, that has little bearing on GT form as we know but every rider will peak. You think his peak has yet to come, I don't.

End of story.

 

[Cimber]

Actually forget that, on betfair CF is 7/2 and Contador 3/5. Thats good enough for me, but not 1000 I'm not rich, I'll put £20 on CF.

Now any of you fanboys going to put your mortgages on AC, after all for you the question is how many minutes he'll win by, the win itself is a given isn't it, so why not?

Depends. If Karpets is there odds should not favor Contador

EDIT: Oh wait I reckon Tinkov put a leash on him by now

 

[Cimber]

Enough with the doping talk. Take it to the Clinic or face sanctions.

Susan

Would I be able to appeal those sanctions to CAS? JK

 

[Cimber]

Is that aimed at me? I'm not really 'trolling' am I (such a lame term), I just have a different view to you.

Just been out for a ride and you're still slagging me off for not worshipping him as much as you do. This is the "AC thread", not the "AC is indisputeably great and always will be" thread.

If someone gets attacked for not necessarily being of the same view as you, there's not much point in a forum is there.

I'm not saying AC has peaked because of his age, that has little bearing on GT form as we know but every rider will peak. You think his peak has yet to come, I don't.

End of story.

No the the real story is just about to begin, on september 18th I really dig the hype about this race, alot of different hater and fanbois are very vocal. I like it! So much better than what we saw before the Tour.

I think and hope Bertie will win it. But if Froomes win it will be epic too - who would ever imagine an african rider winning a GT Fat Pats dream globalization dream coming true

Regarding Bertie I doubt he has peeked (am I a sure he hasnt tbh) but one can fear (or hope for that matter) that the lack of racing for a long time means he wont be in good enough shape

 

[movingtarget]

Why in the world would the posters to a thread designated as the Alberto Contador fanboy thread believe that Alberto would win? Craziness.

Actually it is the Contador discussion thread. Did not see fan club in thread title. But it seems it is the fan club after all. I enjoy watching him race and he has had a lot of success. But everyone is beatable in sport. I think the next Tour could be a classic if the route is a good one. I expect Contador to win the Vuelta and I hope it lives up to last year's race which was a good battle between the Sky team and Cobo.

 

[Fidolix]

We will know much more on September 9.th see you there.

 

[Angliru]

Is that aimed at me? I'm not really 'trolling' am I (such a lame term), I just have a different view to you.

Just been out for a ride and you're still slagging me off for not worshipping him as much as you do. This is the "AC thread", not the "AC is indisputeably great and always will be" thread.

If someone gets attacked for not necessarily being of the same view as you, there's not much point in a forum is there.

I'm not saying AC has peaked because of his age, that has little bearing on GT form as we know but every rider will peak. You think his peak has yet to come, I don't.

End of story.

Honestly, is referring to you as a "troll" or your posts as "trolling" anymore lame than referring to many here as you have with the often used term of "fanboy/girl"?

 

[cycladianpirate]

Mmmm. Still no dedicated Vuelta thread? OK - I'll ask the question here. Isn't Froome's team significantly better than AC's?

Mind you - does AC even need a team?

 

[Forunculo]

Mmmm. Still no dedicated Vuelta thread? OK - I'll ask the question here. Isn't Froome's team significantly better than AC's?

Mind you - does AC even need a team?

Sky is miles better than Saxo this current year, even his 2nd unit is better But Contador chances with Navarro on form and if Majka bursts like he should, the scenario could change.


Alberto needs a team, but it's true he is the least need it

 

[hfer07]

Mmmm. Still no dedicated Vuelta thread? OK - I'll ask the question here. Isn't Froome's team significantly better than AC's?

yes-it is indeed. I believe Sky will be able to replicate somewhat the "train" in the mountains with Henao, Rigo & Porte...... the problem is what happens "after" they drop & Froome is alone next to Alberto....

Mind you - does AC even need a team?

He needs the team to protect & aid him "before the final climbs".....