Alberto Contador suspended until August 2012 (loses all results July 2010 - Jan 2012)

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Scarponi nailed three victories today.

Well, apart from hates and loves, this is a HUGE blow to the sport. Cycling suffered today a major stepback in terms of popularity and image and that can only be harmful when the sport is already with so financial problems. So, not good.
 
One important aspect of this case is that the science is not complex (very different from Floyd and Tyler). It’s not that hard to explain how the decision went. It was between the likelihood of eating contaminated meat and the likelihood of transfusing. The panel clearly accepted the notion that contaminated meat in Spain is exceedingly rare—that while there may be ranchers trying to circumvent the rules, there is no hard evidence that they do so frequently enough to make it probable that Bert ate contaminated meat. I have to believe that this was the key stubborn fact that Bert’s lawyers simply could not sweep under the rug. As I noted before, to argue against this is to imply that Spanish meat is not as safe as advertised, and that opens up its own political can of worms.

The transfusion scenario, as we discussed, also has problems—Bert had to take a lot of CB and not test positive for it, had to withdraw blood and separate cells and plasma, store the latter in a DEHP-free container, and transfuse them separately during the Tour. Taken altogether, that does not seem highly likely, either. But there is no question that it could be done as hypothesized; the possibility did not seem astronomically low, as the raw meat stats indicate contamination is. In a nutshell, I think this must have been the arbs reasoning.

I think the backdated sentence was the most fair under the circumstances. As I noted on the other thread, if Bert had been allowed to keep 2011 results, when he returned to racing would depend on when CAS announced the decision. All these delays would mean a correspondingly longer delay in returning to racing. By backdating and in effect extending his ban throughout 2011, this was all avoided. It also means that fans will have seen Bert riding throughout all banned period except this year till the Vuelta. Under the circumstances, this was about as good as he could get.

Bert also got another break, IMO. It's very hard to convict him of CB without also convicting him of blood doping--IOW, two violations, not one. If you believe he doped, he must have transfused as well as taken CB. We discussed on the other thread the different standards of evidence that apply to the two, but the bottom line, for me, is that contamination is so unlikely that to conclude he took CB and transfused almost definitely means to believe the evidence for both is well within the range for a conventional doping sanction (not just balance of probabilities). I don't think anyone wanted to see Bert go down that hard, but that decision could have been justified by the same logic that got him the two year ban.
 
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Some not so smart guy wrote this yesterday, and has been spouting this nonsense for awhile:

That's right, and I agree with you it should be "all". But, I still say the smart money is on "nothing".

Well I can admit I was wrong. I thought the fix was in. Glad doc didn't take me up on that account bet. :cool:
 
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LaFlorecita said:
He loses the 2011 results! A TWO YEAR BAN.

luckyboy said:
He's lost a lot more than Piti

i disagree. he hasn't. he still got to race and was paid to do so. It is a 6 month ban La Florecita. You need to take a time out.

Zamolyas, i dont know why you are telling ME to "cry me a river" when what was brought up was irrelevant. Don't be a moron FFS.
 
LaFlorecita said:
He loses the 2011 results! A TWO YEAR BAN.
He loses money and results on a sheet of paper, but he doesn't have to go through the usual buildup after 2 years away from the races. On top of that, I don't think he should have lost those 2011 results in the first place. It's a farce.

Give the man a proper 2-year ban, take away his 2010 TdF title, and be done with it.
 
LaFlorecita said:
He loses the 2011 results! A TWO YEAR BAN.

He was rightfully booed by the crowds, stole wins that weren't his to win, and they're now taken back.
Funny that he rode the 2011 semi-clean and the result still got taken from him.

It does seem like a punishment worth a 2-year ban (he barely missed a race up till today though, so no loss in race form).

I still suspect that with any fine, he'll still be in the + after stealing those results, getting sponsorship money as active rider, etc. No need to feel sorry for Bertie.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
i disagree. he hasn't. he still got to race and was paid to do so. It is a 6 month ban La Florecita. You need to take a time out.

Zamolyas, i dont know why you are telling ME to "cry me a river" when what was brought up was irrelevant. Don't be a moron FFS.

He has. Why does everyone think those lost wins mean nothing to him? From six GT's, he goes to four. That's major.
 
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Why does Andy and Michele get GTs now? That's idiotic, they won jack ****. Just vacate the titles; that's what we do in college sports when a school is found cheating. You can't retcon reality, ****wads.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
i disagree. he hasn't. he still got to race and was paid to do so. It is a 6 month ban La Florecita. You need to take a time out.

Zamolyas, i dont know why you are telling ME to "cry me a river" when what was brought up was irrelevant. Don't be a moron FFS.

lol :D :D ....
 
I am surprised by the decision, but to be honest don't really care.

In the end, it appears that he just didn't do enough good for enough people. A matter of priorities that turns out to have been an expensive mistake.

How do you say "awareness" in Spanish?
 
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UCI way to go!

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hahaha
 
hrotha said:
He loses money and results on a sheet of paper, but he doesn't have to go through the usual buildup after 2 years away from the races. On top of that, I don't think he should have lost those 2011 results in the first place. It's a farce.

Give the man a proper 2-year ban, take away his 2010 TdF title, and be done with it.

Well, you understand that if you have a 2-year ban, then of course that you can't have the results of 2011 right? Otherwise it is not a 2 year ban.
 
frenchfry said:
I am surprised by the decision, but to be honest don't really care.

In the end, it appears that he just didn't do enough good for enough people. A matter of priorities that turns out to have been an expensive mistake.
thank you for making me even more ill than i already was :rolleyes:

it's the double standards that i just can't abide.
 
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Ferminal said:
I'm still waiting for a media release from CAS, UCI or WADA, this is pathetic.
UCI have released a statement I think. MCQuaid has also commented.
The Hitch said:
So is Evans.

Again not relevant and he may very well be a cheat but certainly not to what Contador is at this present time.
 
hrotha said:
He loses money and results on a sheet of paper, but he doesn't have to go through the usual buildup after 2 years away from the races. On top of that, I don't think he should have lost those 2011 results in the first place. It's a farce.

Give the man a proper 2-year ban, take away his 2010 TdF title, and be done with it.

I agree... or a real two years ban, or nothing.
I don't like this verdict.
 
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Meh, even on the juice, Contador was still the strongest at last year's Giro. I think the best thing to do is to leave the winner's name vacant as it is rather hollow of Schleck and Scarponi to suddenly be GT winners.