Alberto Contador suspended until August 2012 (loses all results July 2010 - Jan 2012)

[Walkman]

This is a Sad Day for cycling a sport I love....I thought I'd be gutted and finally after 45+ years give up on the sport. Instead I watched the TTT at Qatar on streaming video...the world goes on, cycling goes on.

It's a shame that Alberto was sanctioned, he is the is the best of his generation. But he is one tough hombre, hopefully he'll be back because he is the most exciting rider I've seen since Pantani. Not being able to see him ride this year will make the races less interesting but I'll still watch Every Single cycling event I can. So the sport hasn't lost it's pull for me. And I'll watch the 2011 Giro again, especially Etna and thrill to the exploits of one of the most gifted, stylistic riders I've ever seen!

Shame? Because he is your favorite rider and therefore is allowd to dope?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Shame? Because he is your favorite rider and therefore is allowd to dope?

Are you some sort of God?

 

[LaFlorecita]

lol At all the people saying Andy Schleck would never win the tdf

He hasn't. I do not consider getting something thrown at you a win.

 

[Duartista]

Scarponi says he feels sorry for Contador:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11084/Michele-Scarponi-Im-very-sorry-for-Alberto-Contador.aspx

Contador`s brother said he wont retire:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...will-not-retire-due-to-doping-suspension.aspx

Scarponi wasn't amigo de birillo was he? Thought he was Zapatero.

 

[pmcg76]

and frankly....probably as equally juiced.

PCMG...

I couldn't care less whether an athlete is a narcissist....honestly if your objection to one doper over another is their ego or their connections...then as you say, you are beyond my help.

Also do you honestly think Contador isn't a narcissist? Do you honestly think he isn't ruthless? When does someone cross the line in your mind? See, I'd say the very act of knowingly cheating and lying about it, which as I said could have resulted in ruination and prison for some poor unsuspecting spanish farmer, is pretty bad, but maybe that's just me.

Apparently, Dennis Nielsen was really nice to puppies...which obviously makes him not that bad...Hitler too...he liked pets....Bush he had the cute little fella nipping at his heals....oh wait that was Cheney...anyway you probably get my point....surely that "crime" is what dictates someone's criminality not their "niceness" or otherwise.

LOL, the amount of rubbish you spout is unreal. It is simply human nature to dislike someone based on their personality, especially when two people are viewed as equal.

As I said, if you believe Contador is on a par with Armstrong, then please show it instead of just repeating it over and over.

Trying to explain away a positive test as being from contaminated meat of which there is a possibility no matter how small is miles away from saying 'I would never dope because you know, I suffered from cancer' If you think they are in the same league league, then that says more about your moral compass than anything.

 

[Walkman]

a heap of posts back i posted the full 98 page ruling and requested that a separate thread is allowed to discuss the very interesting - never before known - details. but of course, the clinic and apparently the ch are not interested.

here is one shocking bit to me:

not known before - a 20 July blood sample contained 1ug/mL of clen

that's right a day before the positive urine, clen was found in bert's blood...

but go on fans and ant-fan argue...while i'm reading the facts as seen by cas.

This is very interesting! Care to elaborate to us whom perhaps doesn't understand the meaning of this?

 

[webbie146]

He hasn't. I do not consider getting something thrown at you a win.

You're kinda right, i was being sarcastic though

 

[Walkman]

Are you some sort of God?

No, just a poster on CN-forums.

 

[roadfreak44]

every human being is doping...

I work in the water porufiication field...the amount fo chemicals thta find their way into our drinking water suppolies now is staggrering. In the united states municiplaiites test for aobut 120 of 1200 compounds thta are currently in water. we are seeign water supplies contaminated with trace elements of antibiotics, anti dperessants and so many chemiclas we cant begin to decipher them all.
according to the micro limits imposed by wada we will all be "dopers" by definitipon. Plasitcizers are COMMON in human urine now because of the high level of fluids we intAKE FroM PLASTIC BOTTLES WHICH LEACH PLASTICIZER INTO THEIR CONTENTS DURING TIMES OF SHELF STORAGE. Humans discard ONE BILLION PLASTIC BOTTLES EVERY DAY! thats after they drink what is inside them...how many plastic bottles do pro cyclists drink from? they found trace elements of plasticizer in Contadors urine and made an erroneous assumption but they can make the same assumption for a majority of the humna race...WE ARE ALL DOPING if the bar for doping is ht epresence of any amount of plasitriczer in urine.,...However we are doing it inadvertently. This has become common in random samples of human urine both in the us and in europe...wada needs to get their s*** together and look at the amount of chemicals leaching into water supplies all over the world and put a water expert on their panel as humans dump ever increasing amounts of chemical garbage into the water supplies and it changes the chemical makeup of urine.....if I were a pro cyclist I would drink NOTHING but spring water form proven protected springs because of the high amount of inorganics in the water supply. Being aware of the contamination problem that is out of control i installed a very sophisticated filter system in my house...would reccommend the same for every pro cyclist..

 

[LaFlorecita]

No, just a poster on CN-forums.

Oh, okay, I was wondering, because it seems as though you have some sort of all-seeing view.

 

[Arnout]

Just to weigh in my first two cents, the first thing this whole story calls for is for quicker resolutions. It's just annoying from all perspectives.

Else, if they based their decision solely on the amount of clenbuterol found in Contador's blood, well... I ain't gonna begin about it, but it would be hypocricy. Also didn't like that the Schleck scene (not necessarily Schlecks themselves) put unnecessary pressure on one of the judges, that was uncalled for in my opinion, and totally classless.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I work in the water porufiication field...the amount fo chemicals thta find their way into our drinking water suppolies now is staggrering. In the united states municiplaiites test for aobut 120 of 1200 compounds thta are currently in water. we are seeign water supplies contaminated with trace elements of antibiotics, anti dperessants and so many chemiclas we cant begin to decipher them all.
according to the micro limits imposed by wada we will all be "dopers" by definitipon. Plasitcizers are COMMON in human urine now because of the high level of fluids we intAKE FroM PLASTIC BOTTLES WHICH LEACH PLASTICIZER INTO THEIR CONTENTS DURING TIMES OF SHELF STORAGE. Humans discard ONE BILLION PLASTIC BOTTLES EVERY DAY! thats after they drink what is inside them...how many plastic bottles do pro cyclists drink from? they found trace elements of plasticizer in Contadors urine and made an erroneous assumption but they can make the same assumption for a majority of the humna race...WE ARE ALL DOPING if the bar for doping is ht epresence of any amount of plasitriczer in urine.,...However we are doing it inadvertently. This has become common in random samples of human urine both in the us and in europe...wada needs to get their s*** together and look at the amount of chemicals leaching into water supplies all over the world and put a water expert on their panel as humans dump ever increasing amounts of chemical garbage into the water supplies and it changes the chemical makeup of urine.....if I were a pro cyclist I would drink NOTHING but spring water form proven protected springs because of the high amount of inorganics in the water supply. Being aware of the contamination problem that is out of control i installed a very sophisticated filter system in my house...would reccommend the same for every pro cyclist..

Whoa, that is a lot of text...

 

[scullster46]

Between this, the Pats losing, and Armstrong getting off, this has been a pretty awful weekend. One of the worst for me in recent memory

 

[airstream]

I agree, but it does fuel my hate for everything Radioshack related to ridiculous levels .

I hope they get Frank Schleck one day, I really do.

Whoah. Here you are. It was interesting for me personally to see your reaction. Probably, let's accuse Schleck of such an outcome?

 

[Mellow Velo]

I don't think Armstrong should have been criminally prosecuted no. And likewise I don't think his results from previous tours will or should be investigated. That may be my hypocrisy and I hold my hands up if so. But As I see it whether someone is a nice guy or not is utterly irrelevant to the morals of doping and cheating.

No, clearly you must be using a different criteria to justify your confessed hypocrisy.
Kind of negates anything you have to say.

 

[Bavarianrider]

 

[Walkman]

Between this, the Pats losing, and Armstrong getting off, this has been a pretty awful weekend. One of the worst for me in recent memory

Hopefully USADA can continue the investigation on LA. Would be nice is USADA could get full access to all the testimonies from ex teammates to Lance. Would be nice to hear what Hincapie and the others really said!

 

[kasperbs]

Hopefully once his sentence is done the Tour De France will refuse to let him ever ride the Tour again since he has been convicted of cheating in a prior Tour.

As far as I understand he has not been convicted of cheating. The verdict says it's unlikely that the substance comes from blood doping.

 

[Parrulo]

So...let me get this straight

They let Armstrong walk, even with all the evidence and testimonies against him.
And they give Contador a 2 year suspension, even when the document says, and I quote "In the Panel’s opinion, on the basis of the evidence adduced, the presence of clenbuterol was more likely caused by the ingestion of a contaminated food supplement."

It's like letting a mass murderer walk even with 10 eye witnesses. But convicting a truck driver for 10 years after somebody threw himself in front of his truck.

that's pathetic i knew this would happen i stayed up late last night(till 8 am) but still had the alarm for 11 o'clock to see the result but since i was expecting this i didn't even bothered getting up in time and slept for a few more hours

I've read the bulk of the CAS report and let me say I would be FURIOUS if I was Contador's team. I'll follow up later, but I need to get to the office.

EDIT: Python, I hope you start a separate thread to discuss the full report. It will get lost in this nonsense otherwise.

please publicus i am eager to read your's and python's opinion on this as completely impartial lawyers, i will start the thread myself if it hasn't been started already

 

[straydog]

So you actually admit to being hypocritical and yet you are slamming other people for being hypocritical.

I dont think it was wrong that Contador was punished and am not happy that this case took so long as it let Contador ride and win which is all now scrubbed. Whatever people believe of Contador doping, what he was punished for and what was stated in the report leaves a very bad aftertaste. People are behaving like he was busted for EPO or blood doping which of course is also very likely. Thats not the case so calling for a 4 year ban is ridiculous.

You are so full of it, who really believed 2007 was going to see a new era of clean cycling. The only time in cycling history that I seen a genuine belief that cycling was really going to clean up was in 1999 and reading back through the stories, it did clean up a bit for a very short period. Of course who arrived on the scene in 1999.

The French and people like Walsh and Kimmage knew the score from the start but were silenced by Lance's beloved 'I had cancer so no way would I dope' card. I never seen Contador pulling the same trick with his illness.

it's likely...but not the case? huh?...Do you even follow yourself?

Blood doping was exactly what WADA and the UCI were accusing him of, and was what CAS could not entirely rule out, only stating it was not the likeliest reason for his fail. What is it with some people thinking that EPO or blood doping is worse than other doping? Doping is doping.

As to the second bolded part....your memory of cycling history has I fear been slightly swayed by subsequent events and not reality. 98, when half the race threatened to quit because of what had happened, did not in anyones eyes usher in a new dawn, it merely confirmed what most already knew, that most riders tacitly endorsed "medical" preparation and did not want that changing.

What made 2006 different was that it was the first time a TDF winner had been busted. It had sent out a message....it doesn't matter any more who you are.

See this is the problem with "reading back through the old stories"...or to the rest of us "wikipedia"....some people's "memories" of events is very much tarnished by their opinions and beliefs from the present.

And Walsh and Kimmage did not know the score "from that start". Walsh was a big fan of LA originally, until he fell out of favour, and LA confidential wasn't published until 2004. Kimmage didn't get in on the act until then either. Only Bassons said something in 99, and the rest of the peloton and the media hardly came racing to his side in support.

Contador has had plenty to say about why he "would never dope", whether they are related to his Brain Hemmorage are kind of irrelevant, though frankly, I am sure they would have been just as risible as Steakgate.

As to his narcissism generally, maybe his foundation might give us some better clues....http://www.albertocontador.com/prensa.detalle.php?id=397

 

[Benotti69]

As well as the TDF 2010 Contador loses 12 other victories.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/06/alberto-contador-cycling-ban

March 2011 Vuelta a Murcia

Contador wins overall classification in Murcia and two stage victories in the three-day event.

March 2011 Volta a Catalunya

victory in Catalunya and stage three,

April 2011 Vuelta a Castilla y León

the individual time trial.

May 2011 Giro d'Italia

Contador captures two stage victories and overall classification.

January 2012 Tour de San Luis

Two mountain stage victories in Argentina.

 

[python]

This is very interesting! Care to elaborate to us whom perhaps doesn't understand the meaning of this?

i will but in proper place b/c it will be buried here and the discussion required feedback that will be sunk here.

 

[LaFlorecita]

What does that mean?

 

[LaFlorecita]

As far as I understand he has not been convicted of cheating. The verdict says it's unlikely that the substance comes from blood doping.

Indeed. Some people should actually read the CAS statement before commenting.

 

[LaFlorecita]

As well as the TDF 2010 Contador loses 12 other victories.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/06/alberto-contador-cycling-ban

March 2011 Vuelta a Murcia

Contador wins overall classification in Murcia and two stage victories in the three-day event.

March 2011 Volta a Catalunya

victory in Catalunya and stage three,

April 2011 Vuelta a Castilla y León

the individual time trial.

May 2011 Giro d'Italia

Contador captures two stage victories and overall classification.

January 2012 Tour de San Luis

Two mountain stage victories in Argentina.

Phew, that's a lot!