Alberto Contador suspended until August 2012 (loses all results July 2010 - Jan 2012)

[The Hitch]

The big question we are all missing is whether Contador will ever ride in a saxobank jersey again. I am not sure how likely it is, but saxobank could very well lose their world tour status as a result of this.

If they did, its not like they would have any trouble getting wildcards for any race after august 5th

And theres a big 100th edition TDF they have the favourite for.

 

[straydog]

What also hurts is Evans fans painting themselves in the "anti doping" brand transparency paint and trying to justify their support for another dirty rider as support for good vs evil doping Contador.

oooh....this is going to be fun to watch

 

[LaFlorecita]

If they did, its not like they would have any trouble getting wildcards for any race after august 5th

And theres a big 100th edition TDF they have the favourite for.

Will the ASO invite them to the Tour? I don't think so.

 

[offbyone]

If they did, its not like they would have any trouble getting wildcards for any race after august 5th

And theres a big 100th edition TDF they have the favourite for.

True enough, assuming the team doesn't fold.

 

[VeloCity]

There was no evidence. Whatsoever. The only evidence is the existence of traces of clenbuterol in his body. It's like the only evidence in a murder case is the fact that they found the murder weapon with the defendant. That's not enough to make a conviction (except in our beloved sport, of course).

There's a lot more evidence that Contador was doping than just the clen. And yes, like the murder weapon being found with the defendant, having clen in your system is evidence of doping. It alone may not be enough to convict, but saying that it's not evidence is not true.

 

[Walkman]

Again, he was not convicted for doping, but for the presence of small traces of an illegal substance in his body.

Isn't the definition of doping "an illegal substance in the body"?

They do not prove how the substance entered the body and they did not prove if there was foul play by Alberto.

It isn't WADA's task to do so. It's AC's task to prove that the substance entered his body by mistake and that he did not intended for it to happen, a task wich he failed to complete hence he was convicted and sanctioned. By the definition, a doper.

 

[spalco]

Actually it's more like a man accused of rape whose DNA is found inside the victim's vagina in addition to a 911 recording of the woman calling for help.

By definition all you need to convict someone of doping is to prove the existence of illegitimate substances in his system.

 

[Winternet_]

There's a lot more evidence that Contador was doping than just the clen. And yes, like the murder weapon being found with the defendant, having clen in your system is evidence of doping. It alone may not be enough to convict, but saying that it's not evidence is not true.

I said it was the only evidence. That's it. None of theories of how the clen got in his system were proven.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Isn't the definition of doping "an illegal substance in the body"?

I would say that the definition of doping is deliberately getting a illegal, performance enhancing substance in the body, in order to enhance the performance.

i) The intention isn't proven
ii) One could argue that in these amounts clenbuterol isn't performance enhancing

That's all my opinion, of course.

 

[spalco]

I said it was the only evidence. That's it. None of theories of how the clen got in his system were proven.

But they don't need to be proven for a conviction. Who cares whether he got the Clen into his body with a needle or inserted rectally? It was in there and it doesn't belong.

 

[Walkman]

What also hurts is Evans fans painting themselves in the "anti doping" brand transparency paint and trying to justify their support for another dirty rider as support for good vs evil doping Contador.

I am not saying some poster don't do this, but why bring it up in this thread? It seems to me that you just want to make sure everybody knows Cadel is equally dirty as AC. He might just be, but still, nobody like a bad loser wich is kind of what you do come across as right now. Just saying.

 

[LaFlorecita]

What makes it even more unfair imo is that even though CAS acknowledges the chance he took it deliberately is much smaller than the chance he got it in his system unknowingly and unintentionally (supplement), Alberto still gets a "doper" ban.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I am not saying some poster don't do this, but why bring it up in this thread? It seems to me that you just want to make sure everybody knows Cadel is equally dirty as AC. He might just be, but still, nobody like a bad loser wich is kind of what you do come across as right now. Just saying.

Please read this thread again.

 

[Winternet_]

Isn't the definition of doping "an illegal substance in the body"?



It isn't WADA's task to do so. It's AC's task to prove that the substance entered his body by mistake and that he did not intended for it to happen, a task wich he failed to complete hence he was convicted and sanctioned. By the definition, a doper.

. . For the purpose of improving athletic performance. It was proved that what was found in his body did not improve his performance. You wouldn't call cocaine doping and that is "an illegal substance in the body".

But, shouldn't there be a difference? Shouldn't the guy that was proven to be doping, that his performances were improved due to the use of illegal substances that he did so knowingly and with the purpose of cheating be different than the guy that had picograms of a substance, which cannot be proven how it got there and if it was for the purpose of cheating?

I think there should.

 

[Walkman]

What makes it even more unfair imo is that even though CAS acknowledges the chance he took it deliberately is much smaller than the chance he got it in his system unknowingly and unintentionally (supplement), Alberto still gets a "doper" ban.

I didn't hear you complain when OP was swept under the carpet so it's kind of lame to do it now.

 

[BillytheKid]

I am fascinated on timing of this ruling and the dismissal on Friday, and how they play in the U.S. with it the Superbowl. Both headlines are well down on the radar here. Playing the news cycle?

 

[Winternet_]

But they don't need to be proven for a conviction. Who cares whether he got the Clen into his body with a needle or inserted rectally? It was in there and it doesn't belong.

You should care. If a bag of cocaine would appear in your house, wouldn't you care how it got there? Or would you accept that you are guilty just because it was there and it didn't belong?

 

[The Hitch]

I am not saying some poster don't do this, but why bring it up in this thread?

Because you came in and started acting all righteous about how cheats like Contador deserved to be punished.

Needed to be said

Also if you think Im being a bad loser go back to TDF and look at the way I reacted to Samu having his dreams stolen from him by haters.

Im taking this one on the chin

 

[Walkman]

Please read this thread again.

What you point, I don't get it?

 

[Havetts]

The best justification for 2007 is given by none other than our friend El Pistolero.

Rasmussen - he says- was only ahead of Contador because of a breakaway and without this brekaway Contador would have won and he was the best so Rasmussen deserves to get banned and Alberto ftw

Who cares if was in a breakaway, that means Arroyo is not a good 2nd place in the Giro cause he got 10 mins to L'Aquila. The heads of state were so stupid to let Rasmussen ride away like that, if they could even keep up with him. Rasmussen for sure was the strongest and if he wasnt it was Levi cause Contador won on bonification seconds.

 

[The Hitch]

I didn't hear you complain when OP was swept under the carpet so it's kind of lame to do it now.

OP was before Contador was The Great One, so it would have been less painful if it happened then, less painful even had it happened in September 2010.

But of course all cycling fans hate that OP was swept under the carpet because if it wasnt cycling would not have been blamed for it. All those other athletes on the list, the chains of public ignorance against cycling would have been banished from the neck of our sport as it would have been discovered we are the persecuted ones.

 

[VeloCity]

I said it was the only evidence. That's it. None of theories of how the clen got in his system were proven.

My post was in response to another poster saying that s/he'd never believe Contador was doping unless Contador confessed. I wrote that there was more evidence than just the clen that Condador was doping, ie I wasn't talking only about the clen. Nor do I think you can only look at the clen in isolation - if taken in the context of other "activities" of Contador's past, then it becomes another bit of evidence added to the (admittedly smallish) pile.

 

[Walkman]

Because you came in and started acting all righteous about how cheats like Contador deserved to be punished.

By all means, show me the posts were I acted all righteous and stuff?

 

[GoGarmin]

Justice. At last.

 

[Parrulo]

I dont see the sacrifice. He signed a few autographs so what.

iniesta scored the goal which in a religious nutjob country like Spain is going to be replayed for the next 600 years. Of course he would go round signing autographs, that must have been the most pleasant experience of his life.

he didn't just sign a few autographs and took off to celebrate he spent like 12 hours in a club doing it while he had every right to do what every other player did and say "hey guys we can do this any other day let me have a nice time with my mates to celebrate our victory" i am not saying he is some sort of reborn jesus just saying he is a nice guy.

but this is wildly off topic anyway . . .