well, a rider wouldn't necessarily attack questioning fans if he were doped up either, I assume, UNLESS...Benotti69 said:No you wouldn't, as a member of the sport riding clean and having witnessed 1st hand dopers winning and then having results taken away you would completely understand and emphasise with fans of the sport.
You wouldn't attack and insult fans like those who have doped and then been caught for it!
And who would argue that? It seems both ours and Mr Wiggins rights are being well exercised.pugdog said:Bradley my dear.I was always told that if you use swearwords it's because you've run out of arguments.
One thing you can't argue is our right to think what we please.
I don't really understand your argument. No-one disputes Mr Wiggins rights to respond to his critics although I note that if he actually posted his comments here they would consist of a string of asterisks. Really his rant was just childish and unprofessional in the context of a press conference.VeloFidelis said:And who would argue that? It seems both ours and Mr Wiggins rights are being well exercised.
In all honesty I think the amateur psychological analysis doesn't help the cause. What we should be calling for is simply a greater voice from participants, a more transparent sport where data isn't hidden or made difficult to obtain and, frankly, a new governing body/organisation.sniper said:well, a rider wouldn't necessarily attack questioning fans if he were doped up either, I assume, UNLESS...
unless the rider thinks he's somehow entitled to dope...i.e. that he genuinely believes that it is somehow the common, regular, responsible, hell, perhaps even the healthy thing to do.
I can imagine teamdoctors shooting up their riders while imprinting/indoctrinating them with such arguments.
That doesnt surprise me either. They cant be that stupid that they dont know what went on. The contempt with which both Wiggins and Cav hold the fans is deplorable. The governing body and cyclings record on cheats is why the questions are asked today. Its why people are suspicious of the upper echelons of cycling.Normandy said:Not surprised to see that 'World Champion' Mark Cavendish has tweeted his full support for Wiggin's outburst and contempt to fans. Very sad to see the reaction of the peleton. Has anyone seen/heard a rider speak out against Wiggins's outburst or are they too frightened to stand up and be counted.
What makes you think for one second those two are in anyway intelligent?noddy69 said:Wiggins and Cav are clever enough to understand why people would be suspicious.
Speaking of which, has this actually hit the twittersphere, or have the ****ers there been too lazy to tweet the link? Any reactions?Zam_Olyas said:This thread is on twittersphere where ****ers,****s and lazy mutha****as live. twitter is a dell where like fairys and gnome lives.
David Millar suggested that the doping at cofidis was team led. Wiggins rode for cofidis.I am sure he has seen it first hand there. It was not on the scale of USPS, but i am sure he saw stuff.180mmCrank said:Where to start... Again I agree With the general sentiments expressed here but in my experience of high performance sport it doesn't always work like that. It is perfectly possible that Wiggins has had no 'first hand' experience of doping - he and Brailsford come from a different system than other members of the pro peloton.
However if he is as dirty as others then yes he is a hypocrit... But if he is clean (and only he knows that) then in my opinion he is not a hypocrit, less deserving of criticism and in my opinion his outburst is more justified.
Not sure this is helping the thread - so happy to let it go.
Aye, I see it's making the rounds. Some people reposting it on their tumblr or their blogs, too. Can't see anything from the insiders yet and I doubt I will, though.Zam_Olyas said:Its on twitter.I just saw it. I tweet it to JV, he may not read it.
It has - my thanks go to UCI_overlord for getting the ball rolling on that. Spread pretty quickly from that point.hrotha said:Speaking of which, has this actually hit the twittersphere, or have the ****ers there been too lazy to tweet the link? Any reactions?
Brailsford knows all about cowardice as he legged it after Millar got busted by the French cops.......it smacks of cowardice
I send it to liquigas.opqs and garmin, now i need sky and rsnt email.Cavalier said:It has - my thanks go to UCI_overlord for getting the ball rolling on that. Spread pretty quickly from that point.
Not expecting any reactions - Brailsford's was almost exactly what I thought would be the norm.