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Thanks for the responses everyone. I'd like to say I'd email it to the teams, but in all honesty, I believe the contempt shown by Wiggins today is a pervasive attitude amongst the peloton judging by the sheer quantity of riders + staff that flocked to social media to exclaim their support for him. As a result, I honestly think that any effort I make to actually try and elicit a response from them would be likely met with a delete or some sort of disdain.
I think pro cycling is about as far removed from the ordinary 'supporter' (perhaps spectator is a better word) as is possible - which is ironic given that no other spectator sport in the world lets you as close to the actual athletes partaking in it. It's disappointing that the interaction is so limited that we're forced to use social media to ask questions the media will not, for fear of losing their access. I've noticed some of you passing the link around on twitter, so I'm glad to know my sentiments truly do represent a large cross section of interested observers.
Thanks again.
I think pro cycling is about as far removed from the ordinary 'supporter' (perhaps spectator is a better word) as is possible - which is ironic given that no other spectator sport in the world lets you as close to the actual athletes partaking in it. It's disappointing that the interaction is so limited that we're forced to use social media to ask questions the media will not, for fear of losing their access. I've noticed some of you passing the link around on twitter, so I'm glad to know my sentiments truly do represent a large cross section of interested observers.
Thanks again.
hrotha said:This anonymity argument is absurd. Hiding behind screennames? Pfff.
See, Mike's name was already out there, so his signing this post might mean something. But for the majority of us, if we don't reveal our names it's because they don't mean jack. We're normal people. We're the common fan - the 99%, if you will
We use screennames because that's how the internet works, not because we don't have the balls to ask directly, as JV can certainly tell. We could all reveal our names, and for the vast majority of us it would make no difference.
Still, Wiggo, if it means that much to you: my name is Roberto Ochoa, and you're a c***.
Saw you posting on the FB page for cyclingnews. Keep it up dude, if only one person sprouting some of the nonsense that was on display there questions the garbage they've been fed then one more person isn't conned. Most of these guys, the pros doping and enforcing their BS without firstly earning respect by being open, transparent and not opaque are nothing more than cheap hustlers. Players gonna play and this is their market. Sad thing is the best example they have to follow of success is LA. It's actually sad what they've allowed themselves to become.
@Cavalier. Great post. Almost guaranteed that Wiggins and co are to gutless to tweet a link to that. Hope they all fail and are caught.
Benotti69 said:
Where to start... Again I agree With the general sentiments expressed here but in my experience of high performance sport it doesn't always work like that. It is perfectly possible that Wiggins has had no 'first hand' experience of doping - he and Brailsford come from a different system than other members of the pro peloton.
However if he is as dirty as others then yes he is a hypocrit... But if he is clean (and only he knows that) then in my opinion he is not a hypocrit, less deserving of criticism and in my opinion his outburst is more justified.
Not sure this is helping the thread - so happy to let it go.
T
Not surprised to see that 'World Champion' Mark Cavendish has tweeted his full support for Wiggin's outburst and contempt to fans. Very sad to see the reaction of the peleton. Has anyone seen/heard a rider speak out against Wiggins's outburst or are they too frightened to stand up and be counted.Cavalier said:
Normandy said:
They are all, probably even Rogers, patting him on the back and telling him how the fans suspicions have insulted their dignities.
I have my suspicions about some of the riders in Sky as do others. I think it is also fair to have suspicions after what has happened in the sport thus far.
A lot of people/fans seem to be expressing "certainties" though as opposed to "suspicions", be honest with yourself here, even if you don't mean it to be like this it comes across as so !
Wiggins outburst I imagine was reacting to the people/fans/twitter with the type of attitude displayed in this thread, i.e people who in their mind who are convinced Sky are cheating. Not to people with suspicions. I guess you can debate this, I don't really know but thats what I think.
If he's not doping that's an absolutely justified response ! I would be super ****ed too in his position. Here's an exercise: pretend you are a clean Bradley Wiggins, you're on stage 9 of the 2012 TDF and then read this thread (and the countless others) ... actually re-read it from his veiw ... then how do you feel ?
That of course is if he is NOT doping ! I don't know if he is or not, maybe you do ... but I don't know it ...
It's not only dopers that make me sad about cycling but some fans too
A lot of people/fans seem to be expressing "certainties" though as opposed to "suspicions", be honest with yourself here, even if you don't mean it to be like this it comes across as so !
Wiggins outburst I imagine was reacting to the people/fans/twitter with the type of attitude displayed in this thread, i.e people who in their mind who are convinced Sky are cheating. Not to people with suspicions. I guess you can debate this, I don't really know but thats what I think.
If he's not doping that's an absolutely justified response ! I would be super ****ed too in his position. Here's an exercise: pretend you are a clean Bradley Wiggins, you're on stage 9 of the 2012 TDF and then read this thread (and the countless others) ... actually re-read it from his veiw ... then how do you feel ?
That of course is if he is NOT doping ! I don't know if he is or not, maybe you do ... but I don't know it ...
It's not only dopers that make me sad about cycling but some fans too
deValtos said:I have my suspicions about some of the riders in Sky as do others. I think it is also fair to have suspicions after what has happened in the sport thus far.
A lot of people/fans seem to be expressing "certainties" though as opposed to "suspicions", be honest with yourself here, even if you don't mean it to be like this it comes across as so !
Wiggins outburst I imagine was reacting to the people/fans/twitter with the type of attitude displayed in this thread, i.e people who in their mind who are convinced Sky are cheating. Not to people with suspicions. I guess you can debate this, I don't really know but thats what I think.
If he's not doping that's an absolutely justified response ! I would be super ****ed too in his position. Here's an exercise: pretend you are a clean Bradley Wiggins, you're on stage 9 of the 2012 TDF and then read this thread (and the countless others) ... actually re-read it from his veiw ... then how do you feel ?
That of course is if he is NOT doping ! I don't know if he is or not, maybe you do ... but I don't know it ...
It's not only dopers that make me sad about cycling but some fans too
+1
I agree.
T
Given the moment, the difficult economic situation for the mere mortals, the current USADA case and what any informed fan knows has been going on in the sport for decades: Bradley, have you lost your mind?
Real people struggling to make ends meet each month, who have no chance at making a 16th of what pro athletes make, who have watched how you athletes for years and years on end have brazenly sustained the omertà and by cunning enhanced your performances: at the very least, today, the bearer of the Yellow Jersey should measure his words, should at the bear minimum demonstrate a sensitivity to righteously indignant people who should have turned their backs on you ****s for years, however, continue to buy your sponsors' products. It just goes to show you how these privileged sons of *****es have become so full of themselves, that in a momment like this they believe they should be gazed upon with reverence. When most workers struggle to survive or see their jobs sacrificed at the altar of neoliberal financial capitalism. Other than not knowing how to work for something!
Wiggins is a clear demonstration of how many pros are simply arrogant little ****** bags. And that goes for those in the clan who have fully supported his sentiments. If I continue to watch this Tour, it will only be to see him loose. If his win is assured, I won't be watching any more.
Real people struggling to make ends meet each month, who have no chance at making a 16th of what pro athletes make, who have watched how you athletes for years and years on end have brazenly sustained the omertà and by cunning enhanced your performances: at the very least, today, the bearer of the Yellow Jersey should measure his words, should at the bear minimum demonstrate a sensitivity to righteously indignant people who should have turned their backs on you ****s for years, however, continue to buy your sponsors' products. It just goes to show you how these privileged sons of *****es have become so full of themselves, that in a momment like this they believe they should be gazed upon with reverence. When most workers struggle to survive or see their jobs sacrificed at the altar of neoliberal financial capitalism. Other than not knowing how to work for something!
Wiggins is a clear demonstration of how many pros are simply arrogant little ****** bags. And that goes for those in the clan who have fully supported his sentiments. If I continue to watch this Tour, it will only be to see him loose. If his win is assured, I won't be watching any more.
Kudos to the OP, nice post. Most of us here wouldn't bother, assuming we'd be talking to a brick wall.
Well I'm a bit less cynical than many around here and I wouldn't be surprised if Sky were clean. However I'll reserve my judgement as it is early days yet and we all know that they were in super form at the Dauphine, we'll see how they hold up.
Wiggins may be justified in his anger, although he'd be well advised to focus his mind on more important matters than getting his panties in a twist over some scuttlebut on the interwebs. His remarks were ill considered: he seems to have attended the Pat McQuaid school of media management. His banging on about Armstrong doesn't endear him to anyone either so he's his own worst enemy in that regard.
Well I'm a bit less cynical than many around here and I wouldn't be surprised if Sky were clean. However I'll reserve my judgement as it is early days yet and we all know that they were in super form at the Dauphine, we'll see how they hold up.
Wiggins may be justified in his anger, although he'd be well advised to focus his mind on more important matters than getting his panties in a twist over some scuttlebut on the interwebs. His remarks were ill considered: he seems to have attended the Pat McQuaid school of media management. His banging on about Armstrong doesn't endear him to anyone either so he's his own worst enemy in that regard.
Anyone but Wiggins.
Anyone but Sky.
Man, I'm really starting to hate that arrogant hipster-doofus....
Anyone but Sky.
Man, I'm really starting to hate that arrogant hipster-doofus....
Bravo, Cavalier, for penning the letter. Wiggins, Armstrong,....any other other "pro" cyclist who does not beg for the fans forgiveness due to the doping transgressions of their colleagues/predecessors can go to h@ll. We make the sport a career option for them. If the bike racing game closed shop tomorrow we still have our crafts/skills/education to earn a living. **** off, Wiggo, you indignant clown.
rhubroma said:
rhubroma you always strike an eloquent and sensible response. Nicely put.
Absolutely no respect at all for the yellow jersey.
mewmewmew13 said:nice to see you posting again
Cheers, buddy!
How can any fan really stand by with this *** in yellow?
BroDeal said:Not a hipster, a hipster doofus.
Oh, thanks for clearing that up, never was a fan of Seinfeld.
SaxonUK said:
The Urban Dictionary defines it as, "Someone who has taken being hip and unique to an extreme and therefore worn the 'cool' out of the hip."
Walkman said:
Barely outclimb Cav? What bike races do you watch? Did you miss him riding for Contador in the Giro in 2011? His long time in pink, 7th overall and the young rider's jersey at the Giro in 2010? Won a stage of the baby giro in 2009? 4th and 7th at TT worlds? You're not aware that TTers can normally climb pretty well when they turn their attention to it and lose a little weight?
But you think he can't ride because you turn on OLN for half an hour in July and see him tired out after riding the Giro when it wasn't even planned for him?
July only fans: idiots.
Oh, and on-topic: Wiggo's a tool, for sure. Go Cadel.
BroDeal said:
You're right... they probably are patting him on the back, and so they should be.
So now we all know what it feels like to have a GT leader use a bully pulpit to go on record and effectively "***** Slap" an entire blogisphere of anonymous fans who have no reservations against posting the most incendiary comments and suspicions as if they are accepted fact, when they are not. I doubt these guys pay any real attention to such a fringe minority of the cycling fan base. But we'd all do well to remember that these guys compete against each other. They don't perform for our amusement. We don't pay their collective salaries with our ticket purchases, and I am sure that they don't really give a sh!t what the collective wisdom of a cycling forum has to offer.
Watch... or don't watch. Complain all you want. Postulate mindless conspiracies and hurl insults to your hearts content. Just don't be such pu$$ies when someone like Wiggins calls us on it. They don't owe us Jack Squat. They don't have to worry if we're going to watch, because... who are we kidding?
Hey... do you think they have a websight where they get to b!tch about dipsh!t chat room fans... or do they have better things to do?
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