Andrew Talansky

[DirtyWorks]

That's what I'm trying to understand, all the cleanish riders that get mentioned, is there really such a thing Sir? As a cleanish rider or team? Cleanish is as guilty as a team or rider going " full ***" dirty is dirty and there are some very intelligent posters here that use cleanish as that rider is morally above the rest.

You've got a bunch of things going on at once.

Are there clean riders? Yes. How do we "know?" Unfortunately history seems to be the only way to develop some confidence regarding some athletes.

As to what is clean or dirty. That's an endless discussion.

I'm not sure where you get the "rider morally above the rest" bit.

It's a dirty, dirty sport.

 

[Big Doopie]

He is of course clean.

Along with Rohan Dennis and Dan Martin, the best clean talent there is. In this limited doping era, their supreme natural talent can get some results. If they rode in the 90s or early 00s they would not get a pro contract.

By "getting better in the third week" in this case it means recovers better than others not that their watts actually go up. It's the old school way of looking at it. What a GT used to test. But with O2 vector doping even middling talent like Clentadoppucci can excel in a GT. But Clentadoppucci with only a limited refill on the second rest day was no match for clean natural talent and tour rookie talentsky on the last MTF in 2013.

Woohoo!!

 

[Granville57]

Why do you guys think anyone is clean?

Allow me to introduce the estimable Mr. Benotti...

A punk without any manners, throwing F word towards Jim Ochowicz's daughter in one of the race.

Huh. I expect it was along the lines of, "Hey little girl, your dad is a f'ing liar!"

 

[proffate]

Along with Rohan Dennis and Dan Martin, the best clean talent there is.

Can't tell if this is sarcasm, but if not, why do you think the top 3 clean talents are all anglos on the same team? Seems unlikely.

 

[RiccoDinko]

When the race heats up, Talansky is usually suffering in the 2nd group trying to limit loss. He's cleaner than the rest of the peloton. His name shouldn't be in this forum.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

When the race heats up, Talansky is usually suffering in the 2nd group trying to limit loss. He's cleaner than the rest of the peloton. His name shouldn't be in this forum.

Talansky finished, what, 2nd at P-N last year. He's riding well at the Dauphine and was up there with Froome and Contador. Given his comments in the past, questioning his results is legitimate.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Can't tell if this is sarcasm, but if not, why do you think the top 3 clean talents are all anglos on the same team? Seems unlikely.

They all ride on Garmin. Doopie buys JV's used cars, probably at a premium.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Talansky finished, what, 2nd at P-N last year. He's riding well at the Dauphine and was up there with Froome and Contador. Given his comments in the past, questioning his results is legitimate.

I was going to say "yeah, but he only had to beat out Peraud for the podium," and then I looked for more details and saw the Peraud is having one of his best road season at age 37. So Talansky does find himelf fighting with dubious riders often.

I'm curious to see if he will be a player during the Dauphine's fireworks over the weekend.

 

[sniper]

pass the sick bucket

So now he sees establishing trust no differently from racing: You have to do the work. He labors at transparency like many other young American pros. They engage directly with fans on social media; they post training rides to social fitness sites like Strava and Garmin Connect; and they let fans and media dissect how climbing speeds and power outputs have fallen back to historical pre-EPO levels.

And they answer questions, in some cases granting extraordinary access. Talansky's team has had several journalists embedded and even released riders' personal medical records to media outlets as proof they're racing clean. Talansky knows he's a way off from the day when an interview won't cover doping. But he's not going to tee off on someone, like Armstrong used to, for asking about it. "Getting frustrated or angry is only going to drive fans further away," he says.

He knows he can be part of a golden generation for cycling, and he knows the only way to defeat distrust is with time. With every win and every statement for clean racing that follows it, trust grows. In a way, Armstrong's fall has helped. It certainly freed Talansky to talk more plainly. "With him admitting it, finally there are no more lies," he says.

http://espn.go.com/sports/endurance...-andrew-talansky-tour-de-france-espn-magazine

 

[Digger]

Talanksy - the who tweeted in June 2012 there was no evidence against lance.

Why would a 'clean' rider do this? Makes no sense. But then alot of the Garmin story makes no sense. Like how the hell Christian came 4th in 2008m when the peloton was rampant with CERA? Because he;s just that talented

 

[Benotti69]

Talanksy - the who tweeted in June 2012 there was no evidence against lance.

Why would a 'clean' rider do this? Makes no sense. But then alot of the Garmin story makes no sense. Like how the hell Christian came 4th in 2008m when the peloton was rampant with CERA? Because he;s just that talented

Christian who rides with Hincapie on GranFondos.........Garmin clean nope, Garmin cleanER than the rest? Well Wiggins 2009 TdF stinks as does Hesjedals Giro win. Why believe Talanksy is clean!

 

[Digger]

Christian who rides with Hincapie on GranFondos.........Garmin clean nope, Garmin cleanER than the rest? Well Wiggins 2009 TdF stinks as does Hesjedals Giro win. Why believe Talanksy is clean!

I have thought about Talanksy alot - and i don't believe in him.

Tom Danielson - best results since he stopped doping.

Christian the same.

Ryder the same.

Rice cakes.

 

[zigmeister]

Talansky weighs all but a buck 35 to buck 40. That is 61-63kg to your Euros and metric freaks.

He is a TT and climbing specialist.

He came up through the junior ranks in Florida cycling. I see guys like him almost every year down here about.

Catapults up through the lower Cats, maybe in Cat 3 for like 1 season after they win a few races, then a required upgrade to Pro 1/2 where from that point, he has hit/miss results throughout the past 5yrs since that time.

Maybe a late bloomer and maturing rider when it comes to top echelon. Like Phil Gaimon possibly.

Garmin/Vaughters have some currently pretty strict standards..and none of their riders have a history of being popped over the past few years have they since they've changed their tune about doping??

 

[sniper]

Garmin/Vaughters have some currently pretty strict standards..

as amply demonstrated by the contracting of johnny weltz, for instance.

 

[Benotti69]

as amply demonstrated by the contracting of johnny weltz, for instance.

Did Allen Lim not work for TeamJV?

Rice cakes..........

 

[blackcat]

I have thought about Talanksy alot - and i don't believe in him.

Tom Danielson - best results since he stopped doping.

Christian the same.

Ryder the same.

Rice cakes.

and Millar and even CvdV were target tested in Slipstream Chipotle's first TdF in 3008, when CvdV had the breakout performance and they did their pre-tour camp in StMoritz, and there were other standout performances by Danny Pate and Will Fischkorn and at the 2009 worlds in Mondrisio Steve Cozza the guy with the pervert mustache was one of the MVPs of that race, like Michael Barry (not a slipstream rider) in Hamilton.

And the genesis myth was Doug Ellis offered to bankroll, he instigated that conversation, a little like Bezos and ebay. Or, was it the salesman of JV73 who had networked well with cycling contacts and pitched Ellis. I no longer disbelieve or believe JV, i just maintain a rigorous skepticism, and interpret this thru the UniDenver at Boulder MBA prism.

Why? like the anal fact checking on the NewYorker, you realise when you get sold so much bullsh!t, at least you are confident in what the NewYorker offers. All in all, it goes to evidence on JV, that he can be a little slippery when he invokes truth, and when he invokes expediency.

ultimately, i am left to buy what i believe, versus buying his narrative

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Keeping in mind Millar's retics were off the scale in 2008...

 

[Benotti69]

Keeping in mind Millar's retics were off the scale in 2008...

and his BS since...............

 

[zigmeister]

as amply demonstrated by the contracting of johnny weltz, for instance.

Is repeating the same thing over and over like B99 going to change history regarding how we know Garmin, and pretty much every team, have guys that admitted, or participated in doping?

No. But since the last 5 years, have any of the Garmin guys got popped for anything since they all supposedly went clean under Garmin?

Just because a guy got hired and had some association in the past, it doesn't mean due diligence, strict standards and zero tolerance isn't implemented. It apparently is with their past recent years track record. Say what you want about the history, their opinions...the proof is in the track record. Pretty much every other team has guys that got popped in the past 3-4 years for something.

Giving some guys a second chance that deserve it, nothing wrong with that.

Certainly you have been given many chances in your life when making mistakes right? Or are you the perfect person?

Moving on...

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Giving some guys a second chance that deserve it, nothing wrong with that.

I do not think they deserved their second chance after only a 6 month ban. I do not think they deserved a second chance because I believe they lied about stopping doping in 2007. Finally, their most prolific rider and GT winner is still on his first chance, after admitted drug use.

No, it is not fair that these guys even got a ban while other teflon guys go free. No, it is not fair that they got 6 months while the small fish can't game the system as well and get 2 years. I don't want whats fair, I want what's right.

 

[sniper]

Is repeating the same thing over and over like B99 going to change history regarding how we know Garmin, and pretty much every team, have guys that admitted, or participated in doping?

No. But since the last 5 years, have any of the Garmin guys got popped for anything since they all supposedly went clean under Garmin?

Just because a guy got hired and had some association in the past, it doesn't mean due diligence, strict standards and zero tolerance isn't implemented. It apparently is with their past recent years track record. Say what you want about the history, their opinions...the proof is in the track record. Pretty much every other team has guys that got popped in the past 3-4 years for something.

Giving some guys a second chance that deserve it, nothing wrong with that.

Certainly you have been given many chances in your life when making mistakes right? Or are you the perfect person?

Moving on...

you said garmin have a strict policy. i don't see that reflected in their hiring policy.

to build any argument around the number of positives of a team is just crazy. knowing the recent history of cycling and UCI, i'd say the less positives, the more suspect a team gets!

i don't see what 2nd chances have to do with anything here.
1st or 2nd chance, regardless: there's no reason to give anyone the benefit of the doubt in the world of cycling. unfortunately.

 

[Benotti69]

Is repeating the same thing over and over like B99 going to change history regarding how we know Garmin, and pretty much every team, have guys that admitted, or participated in doping?

No. But since the last 5 years, have any of the Garmin guys got popped for anything since they all supposedly went clean under Garmin?

Just because a guy got hired and had some association in the past, it doesn't mean due diligence, strict standards and zero tolerance isn't implemented. It apparently is with their past recent years track record. Say what you want about the history, their opinions...the proof is in the track record. Pretty much every other team has guys that got popped in the past 3-4 years for something.

Giving some guys a second chance that deserve it, nothing wrong with that.

Certainly you have been given many chances in your life when making mistakes right? Or are you the perfect person?

Moving on...

You do realise we are talking about cycling dont you.

Proof is dope testing does not work. JV knows full well how to beat the testers, if they even show up. Garmin didn't spend lots of money perfecting their internal testing to stop team doping, ya know......Wiggins and Hesjedals blood values in 3rd week of GTs shows us that. If machine calibration was so bad then lots would be getting off BP infractions. Didn't hear Sky calling for BP machines to be tested before sending Henao back to Colombia for tests, or asking the machine tob e checked after JTL's anomaly at the worlds. Why is ok for Garmin riders to have the 'machine calibration' excuse but not others. Pellizotti didn't get a free pass on his BP because the machines were not calibrated!

 

[SeriousSam]

great ride

 

[MBotero]

Great ride clean cycling is great ,he lost 18 seconds to a flying Contador ,seems just about right.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I like Talansky, I hope he is clean