Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[LaFlorecita]

Even if AC is as mentally fragile as he might seem since the press pushed him to post a video saying that he is sorry, I do not understand why people thin he actually should have done that? he did not do anything remotely illegal or mean?
Please explain a confused man

No it was Bjarne who pushed him

 

[serfla]

Bjarne said so

I can't remember.
Can you remind me with a link to the statement?

By the way, at the time Contador was riding for Astana. What's Bjarne got to do with Astana?

 

[serfla]

Even if AC is as mentally fragile as he might seem since the press pushed him to post a video saying that he is sorry, I do not understand why people thin he actually should have done that? he did not do anything remotely illegal or mean?
Please explain a confused man

I won't explain you anything, 'cause I'm not saying what you're implying.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I can't remember.
Can you remind me with a link to the statement?

By the way, at the time Contador was riding for Astana. What's Bjarne got to do with Astana?

Bjarne was in contract negotiations with Alberto during that tour since Andy was busy creating his own team.

 

[Angliru]

I can't remember.
Can you remind me with a link to the statement?

By the way, at the time Contador was riding for Astana. What's Bjarne got to do with Astana?

As is the norm in cycling, the Schlecks were in the process of forming their own team based out of Luxemborg (something about "Real, True, or Pure Cycling") , thus leaving Saxo/Bjarne on less than good terms and Contador was planning on leaving Astana with Bjarne's team being one of preferred destinations.

Edit: LaFlo beat me to it.

The opinions even among the pro's were divided as far as if there was any real wrongdoing in the Chaingate drama. I really depends partially on where one's allegiances lied prior to the event.

 

[serfla]

Bjarne was in contract negotiations with Alberto during that tour since Andy was busy creating his own team.

No link to the statement?
When I see the link, I'll comment Bjarne's professionalism and Contador's personal integrity in this matter.

 

[LaFlorecita]

No link to the statement?
When I see the link, I'll comment Bjarne's professionalism and Contador's personal integrity in this matter.

http://m.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-reveals-he-advised-contador-over-chaingate

There you go

In the book, simply called Riis, which was published by People's Press today, Riis revealed that he was the one who advised Alberto Contador to apologize to Saxo Bank team leader Andy Schleck after the infamous 'chaingate' incident on stage 15 to Bagneres-de-Luchon.

Riis had already put together a draft contract to sign the Spaniard when the incident occurred. On that stage, Schleck dropped his chain at a critical part on the climb of the Port de Bales, and was attacked by Contador, who rode into the maillot jaune and gained enough time on the stage to win the Tour de France.

That night, Riis received a text message on his phone from Contador, who seemed worried that the controversial attack might hurt negotiations. "I'm sorry about the situation. I attacked and went. Hope you understand," the text read as reported by sporten.dk.

Riis replied to Contador, saying that he made a mistake, and in a phone call advised him to apologize, which Contador did.

 

[serfla]

Very well.
So, Contador first apologized to Bjarne (in a message), and Bjarne advised him to do it publicly. That's the whole story, isn't it? It differs from: "Bjarne told him...", doesn't it?

 

[Cimber]

Very well.
So, Contador first apologized to Bjarne (in a message), and Bjarne advised him to do it publicly. That's the whole story, isn't it? It differs from: "Bjarne told him...", doesn't it?

Not much really

 

[serfla]

Not much really

I wouldn't agree.
When you say that he apologized because someone told him to do so, it means that he didn't feel he did anything wrong, and apologized just out of politeness.
But when you see he first apologized without anyone's advice, it means he wasn't sure that what he did was completely fair. Bjarne solved Contador's dilemma by telling him that he made mistake and should publicly apologize.

Would anyone here apologize for something he/she believes is completely fair?
I know I wouldn't. I wouldn't even think about it.

 

[Forunculo]

This is the stage 3 of that TdF edition. Did Andy apologize?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqwUqjTmEWw

 

[ferryman]

It means it appears that you've rejoined the Andy Schleck Gumdrop fanclub again after a brief affair with the Froomey's. You are a fickle one Airstream!

Angliru, I can assure you, that as one of the few left in the lurch after he left, I'm not sure he is welcomed back. We in the club (that is, Frank and I) have struggled on regardless. At best, he re-joins at junior level.

Airstream, prove you are truly back by publicly denouncing the demon that you have worshipped when you lost the faith, who goes by the name of Frooome and rides in the black, black of Sky. Redemption is just a step away my friend

 

[serfla]

This is the stage 3 of that TdF edition. Does Andy apologized?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqwUqjTmEWw

First, if you want to involve yourself in discussion, you have to read all posts relevant to it. That's the only way to keep discussion sensible.
Second, did Andy have a reason to apologize? Was there a controversy in the case you're bringing up?

 

[trevim]

This is the stage 3 of that TdF edition. Does Andy apologized?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqwUqjTmEWw

Is anyone still crying about the chain thing?

 

[The Hitch]

First, if you want to involve yourself in discussion, you have to read all posts relevant to it. That's the only way to keep discussion sensible.
Second, did Andy have a reason to apologize? Was there a controversy in the case you're bringing up?

If Andy thinks that taking time on someone because of an accident is wrong then yes he should apologise for stage 3 and know his role and shut his mouth about stage 15.

 

[BYOP88]

Andy 'Charlatan' Schleck. Both him and his brother should follow their dad's advice and leave cycling. Cycling is a tough guy sport, which those 2 are not.Also Andy is the biggest hypocrite in pro-sports, period!

 

[serfla]

If Andy thinks that taking time on someone because of an accident is wrong then yes he should apologise for stage 3 and know his role and shut his mouth about stage 15.

I'm sure you know it's not that simple.
Also, I'm sure you're aware that it's not Schleck who's talking all over again about stage 15.

Paradoxically, stage 15 is obsession of Contador's fans. They're the ones who react first on its mention, and it's necessarily derogatory.
Amusing need and way to maintain their beliefs in divine persona of their idol.

 

[Dedelou]

Did you even read the interview? he didn't bring it up, the interviewer did. And how did he misrepresent what happened?

I did read the interview all right: while any journalist can pose any question he wants , Andy response is what qualifies him. does not take much to move on to a better topic if he want. As far as misrepresenting He was the one who put on an attack, vino responded with Conti on his wheel.. Andy messes up worse than a newbie as Alberto blast by leaving Andy where he stood. In the end I believe Contador did slow up or else Andy would never see him again on that stage.

 

[Afrank]

I did read the interview all right: while any journalist can pose any question he wants , Andy response is what qualifies him. does not take much to move on to a better topic if he want. As far as misrepresenting He was the one who put on an attack, vino responded with Conti on his wheel.. Andy messes up worse than a newbie as Alberto blast by leaving Andy where he stood. In the end I believe Contador did slow up or else Andy would never see him again on that stage.

He was asked if he was angry and he answered with he was only angry after the chain incident, anybody would be angry after that. And later when asked about it again, all he says is between Contador's positive and the chain incidient the chain incident was the worse for him. This is not whining.

And Andy did in no way misinterpret what happened. He says his chain came off and Contador attacked, this is the basic summary of what happened. There's no need for him to go into every little detail on how exactly it happened. I'd agree Contador did eventually slow down some, but it wasn't until Sanchez and Menchov were about to catch up to him; and after they did, they along with him kept the pace high.

 

[Forunculo]

First, if you want to involve yourself in discussion, you have to read all posts relevant to it. That's the only way to keep discussion sensible.
Second, did Andy have a reason to apologize? Was there a controversy in the case you're bringing up?

I'm sure you know it's not that simple.
Also, I'm sure you're aware that it's not Schleck who's talking all over again about stage 15.

Paradoxically, stage 15 is obsession of Contador's fans. They're the ones who react first on its mention, and it's necessarily derogatory.
Amusing need and way to maintain their beliefs in divine persona of their idol.

It was me who bring the interview to the forum and it was Andy the first to bring the chaingate in his interview (like Frank summons "Sastre's betrayal" in Alp d'huez each time he can), despite the stages 2 and 3 of that Tour no one ever heard any complain from Contador, neither at 2011 when he lost 1:30 at the first stage.

The "obsession" is the chaingate (39 seconds) and hide the stages 2 and 3 (between 4 and 5 minutes) and the difference is while AC went with Menchov and Sanchez, Cancellara went at full throttle.


And second you should be more educated with other forumers, even more when their join date and number of posts denotes more antiquity and importance.

 

[serfla]

It was me who bring the interview to the forum and it was Andy the first to bring the chaingate in his interview (like Frank summons "Sastre's betrayal" in Alp d'huez each time he can), despite the stages 2 and 3 of that Tour no one ever heard any complain from Contador, neither at 2011 when he lost 1:30 at the first stage.

The "obsession" is the chaingate (39 seconds) and hide the stages 2 and 3 (between 4 and 5 minutes) and the difference is while AC went with Menchov and Sanchez, Cancellara went at full throttle.


And second you should be more educated with other forumers, even more when their join date and number of posts denotes more antiquity and importance.

If you brought the interview, then you know Schleck only responded to journalist's question. Everything else is bias interpretation.
Regarding join date and number of posts - it means nothing. What's written matters.

 

[LaFlorecita]

If you brought the interview, then you know Schleck only responded to journalist's question. Everything else is bias interpretation.
Regarding join date and number of posts - it means nothing. What's written matters.

But how Andy responded, "it was not sporting", says it all really. He's still not over it, just like the bros are still going on about the Sastre thing.

 

[Siriuscat]

Will this whinney wee boy never get over it??? he attacked, blew his gear change and lost, simple as. The whole interview he looks as if he's looking for mummy or Frank to hold his hand through it. Pratt!!!

If you draw your sword first then drop it....tough!!

 

[Afrank]

He is over it, he was asked if he was angry about the 2010 tour, and replied with he was only angry about the chain incident but is not angry anymore. I think it is the Contador fans that are not over it, the slightest little mention of any part of it and they jump all over it and declare him a whiner and completely ignore everything else that was said.

 

[serfla]

But how Andy responded, "it was not sporting", says it all really. He's still not over it, just like the bros are still going on about the Sastre thing.

I thought we've absolved the fair-play topic.
If he is or isn't over it, it's irrelevant. It's his personal and intimate feeling, and he has right to have it. Just like Contador will always feel he suffered injustice.
And someone's feelings (especially justified) aren't reason for mocking. It's rude and pathetic.