Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[Pentacycle]

I still don't understand it but whatever

Actually, I don't really understand the whole concept of Andy's behaviour and why he does what he does. But I'm trying to combine this with studying for some exams, so I can't really focus all on posting here

 

[airstream]

Your an Andy fan? Since when? Whenever anyone who also likes contador gives any praise to Andy you are the first to start wacking him.like a piniata.

I started supporting Andy in the Giro and it has nothing to do with Contador. Honestly I didn't see Contador between 05 and 07 TdFs at all

No I just don't get people who root for Contador, come to an Andy thread 'he is a disgrace for cycling'.

 

[The Hitch]

No I just don't get people who root for Contador, come to an Andy thread 'he is a disgrace for cycling'.

You don't get why people who root for.contador come.into this thread? What is this supposed to be out of bounds! We cant discuss him? Take a look at the opening post.

 

[gruppeto993]

Frank's attitude is different to Andy's. He has won tour de suisse, criterium int. When he races outside of July he does try to be amongst the best. In terms of the 2012 giro, him losing time and then crashing was what demoralised him otherwise he would have tried going for the win. Andy, on the other hand, doesnt give a damn to anything apart from the tour and LBL. It's like he's too good to take anything else seriously. I hope things are different this season.

 

[Christian]

You don't get why people who root for.contador come.into this thread? What is this supposed to be out of bounds! We cant discuss him? Take a look at the opening post.

That is not what is meant and you know it. The fact of the matter is, the Contador-fan(s) who are the most prolific posters in this thread are very actively anti-Andy. Their understanding of being pro-Contador is that you automatically have to be anti-Andy. It is the binary reality syndrome that I explained a couple pages earlier (if you are 10 ppp).

This is what us supporters of Andy find sad. Discussion is great, in fact I quite enjoy refuting LaFlorecita's many theories, unfortunately they all boil down to "Contador is the best therefore Andy is a disgrace" ...

 

[Parrulo]

echoes for some1 that constantly calls contador dull, your posting style it's pretty dull as well.

it always goes as follows:

1st- insult stage races
2nd- insult people discussing stage races, particularly if it's a GT
3rd- insult every1 that disagrees with your view of cycling
4th- insult the mods when they eventually delete your posts and warn you for insulting every1
5th- claim lack of freedom of speech because the mods don't allow you to freely go around insulting every1

either way, considering you were banned for this twice in the last 2 months, another post like that will grant you a 1 month lay off.

have it your way.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Frank's attitude is different to Andy's. He has won tour de suisse, criterium int. When he races outside of July he does try to be amongst the best. In terms of the 2012 giro, him losing time and then crashing was what demoralised him otherwise he would have tried going for the win. Andy, on the other hand, doesnt give a damn to anything apart from the tour and LBL. It's like he's too good to take anything else seriously. I hope things are different this season.

Yes, Frank has won these stage races. Andy has not. However, during that period Andy came second in the tour three years in a row (2010 promoted obviously), while Frank did not. Why would Andy jeopardise his success in the Tour for these week long stage races which he is less likely to win. As stated before, his talent lies at the tour.

We are all second guessing what it takes for Andy to come second in the hardest race in the world three years running. There is no even partial acknowledgment from people who dislike Andy that this may be in the form of the omission of / peak effort at other races, less suited to his abilities.

He is not TT'er like Wiggins, not a complete package like Contador. He is instead an almost unbeatable beast in the mountains during the 2nd / 3rd week of a GT that he targets

 

[airstream]

You don't get why people who root for.contador come.into this thread? What is this supposed to be out of bounds! We cant discuss him? Take a look at the opening post.

Sorry, I mistakenly missed 'and say', but I have no doubt you understood that.

 

[Angliru]

That is not what is meant and you know it. The fact of the matter is, the Contador-fan(s) who are the most prolific posters in this thread are very actively anti-Andy. Their understanding of being pro-Contador is that you automatically have to be anti-Andy. It is the binary reality syndrome that I explained a couple pages earlier (if you are 10 ppp).

This is what us supporters of Andy find sad. Discussion is great, in fact I quite enjoy refuting LaFlorecita's many theories, unfortunately they all boil down to "Contador is the best therefore Andy is a disgrace" ...

...and Airstream's anti-Contador rantings and critique of his grasp of the English language is not any different?

 

[Arnout]

That is not what is meant and you know it. The fact of the matter is, the Contador-fan(s) who are the most prolific posters in this thread are very actively anti-Andy. Their understanding of being pro-Contador is that you automatically have to be anti-Andy. It is the binary reality syndrome that I explained a couple pages earlier (if you are 10 ppp).

This is what us supporters of Andy find sad. Discussion is great, in fact I quite enjoy refuting LaFlorecita's many theories, unfortunately they all boil down to "Contador is the best therefore Andy is a disgrace" ...

It's natural. Fernando Alonso fans have a natural hatred for Vettel. Real Madrid for Barcelona (except they both like Fuentes), BMW drivers slow little horrid ecoboxes (though everyone dislikes those) etc.

Don't let it bother you.

 

[dolophonic]

That is not what is meant and you know it. The fact of the matter is, the Contador-fan(s) who are the most prolific posters in this thread are very actively anti-Andy. Their understanding of being pro-Contador is that you automatically have to be anti-Andy. It is the binary reality syndrome that I explained a couple pages earlier (if you are 10 ppp).

This is what us supporters of Andy find sad. Discussion is great, in fact I quite enjoy refuting LaFlorecita's many theories, unfortunately they all boil down to "Contador is the best therefore Andy is a disgrace" ...

No.. i think you may want to realize there is history between Andy and Bertie.. Adny has made some pretty pointed remarks re Conta and his "fans" have all but threatened bodily damage to Bertie. That may be worth taking into consideration.
Also might want to acknowledge since winning the white jersey in the Giro Andy has underwhelmed and Bertie consistently elevated his efforts..that is reality.

 

[Parrulo]

Yes, Frank has won these stage races. Andy has not. However, during that period Andy came second in the tour three years in a row (2010 promoted obviously), while Frank did not. Why would Andy jeopardise his success in the Tour for these week long stage races which he is less likely to win. As stated before, his talent lies at the tour.

We are all second guessing what it takes for Andy to come second in the hardest race in the world three years running. There is no even partial acknowledgment from people who dislike Andy that this may be in the form of the omission of / peak effort at other races, less suited to his abilities.

He is not TT'er like Wiggins, not a complete package like Contador. He is instead an almost unbeatable beast in the mountains during the 2nd / 3rd week of a GT that he targets

winning those week long races doesn't appear to be hurting contador chances on the GT's one bit, nor did it hurt evans in 2011, and wiggins last year. so your argument is severely flawed.

 

[The Hitch]

That is not what is meant and you know it. The fact of the matter is, the Contador-fan(s) who are the most prolific posters in this thread are very actively anti-Andy. Their understanding of being pro-Contador is that you automatically have to be anti-Andy. It is the binary reality syndrome that I explained a couple pages earlier (if you are 10 ppp).

This is what us supporters of Andy find sad. Discussion is great, in fact I quite enjoy refuting LaFlorecita's many theories, unfortunately they all boil down to "Contador is the best therefore Andy is a disgrace" ...

You are writing blanket theories on peoples mindsets based on a sample of 2 or 3 posters

Every contador fan in this thread hates andy and.comes here to mock.him? Not true. A couple maybe.

Even la.flos list was a vague comparison of who people.prefer.not an accurate portrayal of what peoples views are.

As to why a couple of.people hate Andy. I disagree with your theory that its simply because schleck was his rival. I don't have any fancy philosopher names to.throw around but here is an alternate view.

contador fans felt upset by Andy's behaviour after port.du bales because Andy had done the same.thing on stage 3. Contador fans tend to like gung ho racing (why they are contador fans) and therefore overreact a bit maybe when Andy appears to.promote a cycling they naturally don't like, by being linked to neutralizing stages or by speaking out against descents, or by targeting only a few races. Some contador fans may also have not.liked his comments on sastre or at least use those comments as a further excuse to not.like Andy.

That said , i agree the Andy mocking goes way too far and don't agree with most of it. Theres plenty good about Andy, most of all the attitude he brought to the press conference where he said he wanted to do vuelta and lombardia, and i hope he brings that back. He'd be wise to too. With no contador at worlds, he'd have as good a chance as anyone.

 

[LaFlorecita]

That is not what is meant and you know it. The fact of the matter is, the Contador-fan(s) who are the most prolific posters in this thread are very actively anti-Andy. Their understanding of being pro-Contador is that you automatically have to be anti-Andy. It is the binary reality syndrome that I explained a couple pages earlier (if you are 10 ppp).

That's not true, I don't hate Andy because I like Alberto, I hate Andy because he lacks certain things I like and has certain things I dislike, with Alberto it's the other way around.

This is what us supporters of Andy find sad. Discussion is great, in fact I quite enjoy refuting LaFlorecita's many theories, unfortunately they all boil down to "Contador is the best therefore Andy is a disgrace" ...

what that's not true either. I'm trying to understand why Andy is physically uncapable of winning a one week stage race. So far the only one who's come up with arguments is Pentacycle (tt skills is not an argument there are stage races without tts). Everytime I ask for an explanation all I hear is "he can't win" and my question is WHY

 

[LaFlorecita]

I started supporting Andy in the Giro and it has nothing to do with Contador. Honestly I didn't see Contador between 05 and 07 TdFs at all

No I just don't get people who root for Contador, come to an Andy thread 'he is a disgrace for cycling'.

Using that same logic why do you visit the Alberto thread so often when all you ever do is criticize Alberto, his fans and everything he does.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

winning those week long races doesn't appear to be hurting contador chances on the GT's one bit, nor did it hurt evans in 2011, and wiggins last year. so your argument is severely flawed.

Andy peaks for the tour and it works. Why change the formula? You have missed my point that Andy is not Wiggins, contador or Evans. Excluding contador who is an exception, who has been more successful in the tour in recent years? Andy? Wiggins? Evans? Note also Andys age.

We can't be great at everything.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

That's not true, I don't hate Andy because I like Alberto, I hate Andy because he lacks certain things I like and has certain things I dislike, with Alberto it's the other way around.



what that's not true either. I'm trying to understand why Andy is physically uncapable of winning a one week stage race. So far the only one who's come up with arguments is Pentacycle (tt skills is not an argument there are stage races without tts). Everytime I ask for an explanation all I hear is "he can't win" and my question is WHY

Like it or not his season is geared entirely towards the tour. It looks to me like he uses races pre tour as conditioning. He is tweaking and building for the first six months of the year. If he attacks during a pre tour it is presumably to trst himself. He is an elite athlete remember, and given his record he clearly knows how to prepare for the biggest race of the year.

In focusing on his greatest talent (GT's) he also wants to win the tour on the road. After he has done so he may concentrate and aim to peak for other races?

 

[Afrank]

Andy peaks for the tour and it works. Why change the formula? You have missed my point that Andy is not Wiggins, contador or Evans. Excluding contador who is an exception, who has been more successful in the tour in recent years? Andy? Wiggins? Evans? Note also Andys age.

We can't be great at everything.

Peaking for the Tour hasn't worked out for him like he wanted. Sure 2nd place is good, but after a while you get sick of always being 2nd and want to be on that top step. That's why he should change the formula. I'm a fan of Andy and have always liked him, but he needs to stop seeing the Tour as the only race that matters, and see how he fares in some other stage races. Plus I think he is capable of more then peaking twice a season.

In the beginning when he was just showing himself to be a GT contender going for only the Tour was fine, but now I think the Tour has become more of a burden on him then anything else. I think he would find much more success and happiness if he targeted other stage races in addition to the tour. Or even if he targeted the other GT's.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Peaking for the Tour hasn't worked out for him like he wanted. Sure 2nd place is good, but after a while you get sick of always being 2nd and want to be on that top step. That's why he should change the formula. I'm a fan of Andy and have always liked him, but he needs to stop seeing the Tour as the only race that matters, and see how he fares in some other stage races. Plus I think he is capable of more then peaking twice a season.

In the beginning when he was just showing himself to be a GT contender going for only the Tour was fine, but now I think the Tour has become more of a burden on him then anything else. I think he would find much more success and happiness if he targeted other stage races in addition to the tour. Or even if he targeted the other GT's.

Fair point, especially regarding targeting other GT's. although being runner up to Contador in the tour is probably more favourable to him than winning Paris nice or tour de Suisse etc

 

[Afrank]

True, and I don't think he should stop targeting grand tours all together. Just target them while at the same time trying to do well in other races. I could see him doing well in them, or at least winning a stage every now and then, even while not being at his peak.

 

[airstream]

Using that same logic why do you visit the Alberto thread so often when all you ever do is criticize Alberto, his fans and everything he does.

I do this cos I like to polemize on different racing matters. Contador and Froome, Contador and Wiggins, etc. I'd discuss even Froome and Wiggins, but no one wants.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I'd discuss even Froome and Wiggins, but no one wants.

I haven't seen anyone argue that Wiggins can beat Froome in this year's Tour. Until then there isn't much to discuss. But feel free to start a new thread.

 

[T-Nielsen]

Regarding why people diss Andy so much and perhaps Contador fans in particular.

Speaking for myself, I just get so frustrasted with him wasting his talent (to some extend) by moaning, ****ing and crying. He blames everybody but him for the failures. No one else is attacking (in situations where it is a lie or where a blind man can see with his cain, that no one else has a motive) or it is wet, it is warm, it is cold, it goes uphill in a wrong way, is goes downhill, the crowd was ugly, yo mamma etc.

I wan't to like him a lot more. I liked him a lot when he was younger and on his way and then he mentally stopped. Showing signs of placency rather then will to win.

There is still hope though and I for one is crossing my fingers. Still rooting for Contador though.

 

[Siriuscat]

Regarding why people diss Andy so much and perhaps Contador fans in particular.

Speaking for myself, I just get so frustrasted with him wasting his talent (to some extend) by moaning, ****ing and crying. He blames everybody but him for the failures. No one else is attacking (in situations where it is a lie or where a blind man can see with his cain, that no one else has a motive) or it is wet, it is warm, it is cold, it goes uphill in a wrong way, is goes downhill, the crowd was ugly, yo mamma etc.

I wan't to like him a lot more. I liked him a lot when he was younger and on his way and then he mentally stopped. Showing signs of placency rather then will to win.

There is still hope though and I for one is crossing my fingers. Still rooting for Contador though.

What he said!!

 

[greenedge]

I fear with the course ideally suited to Wiggins and Sky that even Contador may have been unable to stop Wiggins from the top step. Contador and Andy, had they been there and at their best, would've made it much more interesting as would Samu and even Hesjedal who stated that he felt fantastic at the end of the Giro and was looking forward to the Tour. I think Hesjedal would likely run out of gas by the 3rd week but I would like to think that they all collectively would have made an effort to bust up the Sky train in some way.

Or if Evans wasn't sick.