Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[Fetisoff]

Greatest movie idea ever!!!

Now we just have to convince Olivia Wilde and Leonardo DiCaprio to join the cast

And since we're gonna spend most of the budget on Leonardo, this guy will have to play DenisMenchov

 

[UpTheRoad]

The original matter of the discussion is for what one can criticize Contador. There are 2obvious facts on Colombier story.
1. He attacked intentionally not caring a dime of team interests cos he clearly realized winning the stage with solo attack is impossible and all he could do is to drop Kloden;
2 He cooked up the excuse which could justify him partially in fans' eyes but surely it didn't work.

Although, if it simplifies your life (it really does, as I see) you are free to suppose that both points characterize him exceptionally positively. That's it.

The "obvious" facts are those cooked up by Pharmstrong fans, who should be happy that he "attacked" Kloden. If Kloden would have stayed with the Schleck's and AC, he would have remained ahead of Lance on GC.

EDIT: You must be ecstatic...a Schleck fanboy on Team Lance. What more could you ask for? Dreams do come true, I guess. At the risk of feeding the troll again, what were the team interests that AC shattered?

 

[hrotha]

Come on, Contador attacked, Klöden was dropped, and then Contador spent the rest of the climb looking back trying to see where Klöden was, not doing much or any work and generally looking awkward, and then he didn't even sprint for the stage win. It's pretty obvious HE thought he had made a mistake the second he did it.

 

[El Pistolero]

Come on, Contador attacked, Klöden was dropped, and then Contador spent the rest of the climb looking back trying to see where Klöden was, not doing much or any work and generally looking awkward, and then he didn't even sprint for the stage win. It's pretty obvious HE thought he had made a mistake the second he did it.

Giving the win away was indeed a mistake.

He should have done like Boonen in Roubaix. Team-mate dropped? Sucks, but I'm not stopping!

 

[BroDeal]

Now we just have to convince Olivia Wilde and Leonardo DiCaprio to join the cast

And since we're gonna spend most of the budget on Leonardo, this guy will have to play DenisMenchov

With all that booze, he's a dead cert to play Andy Schleck's personal soigneur or even Andy himself if he dyes his hair.

 

[Fetisoff]

With all that booze, he's a dead cert to play Andy Schleck's personal soigneur or even Andy himself if he dyes his hair.

Lol... And this guy will play brother Frank

 

[BroDeal]

When the road starts a-fallin'
There's a man you won't be callin'
That's Andy Schleck,
Let it ring!

Andy is a loser,
And I think he is a boozer,
So you better make that call to the Tour King.
Contador!

Senor Andy no es macho,
Es solamente un borracho...

 

[Ripper]

Wonderlance and airstream must surely be brothers or sisters.

Or both! ... hermaphrodite?

 

[Ripper]

No, I'm serious. Width of Andy's capacities is almost unlimited, there's everything but TT.

Ummm, that's pretty limited DA

 

[hughmoore]

I think Linda Blair could play Andy, although she is getting on a bit, in the 1973 movie "The Exorcist" she was able to spin her head around 360 degrees.

Given Andy rides most of the time with his head looking backwards, possibly Linda may be the only person in the world capable of doing this also.


Regards



Hugh

 

[meat puppet]

But weren't the main benefactors of the Colombiere attack the Schlecks themselves? If I remember correctly both Lance and Klodi were ahead of them in the GCat the time. And though Lance was 1.30 behind at the stage and Klodi eventually cracked, there was no guarantee that the bros would definitely have dropped Andreas that day. Probably they would, but you never know.

Thus, I always read the politics of the event in this light: for better or for worse, AC wanted to make allies with the Bros and, at the same time, get back at the Lance folks at Astana basically. In my opinion he intentionally torpedoed the alleged podium-sweep goal, so it was a political act to put it that way. In the end he probably acted on instinct at the moment and the deed itself backfired, since, if you're a pro cyclist, you don't want to make enemies with the cosa nostra.

Nonetheless, the dynamics of friendship/alliance between the Bros and Bert has been neatly forgotten since the chaingate.

 

[personal]

No, I'm serious. Width of Andy's capacities is almost unlimited, there's everything but TT.

And descending. And sprinting. And shifting.

 

[auscyclefan94]

How can you criticise Alberto? I just don't get it.

Love him, okay, perfectly understandable of course.
Hate him, okay, you can think he is a doper.

But criticise.... I just can't see it.

It is the same for me with Evans, but people still dislike. That's fine. Do you realise that hating someone is a deeper dislike than being a critic of someone?

Evans rode for Mapei.

Frank Schleck was also involved with doctor Fuentes. Why don't you say anything about that? For the record, they didn't have solid proof on Contador.

For the record, they actually have plenty of evidence on Contador, nothing on Evans even if he does dope.

Lets not turn this into a clinic discussion.

 

[airstream]

And descending. And sprinting. And shifting.

quite so

...

 

[Havetts]

The Contador fans are always happy to bring up Frank and his links with Fuentes yet they say nothing about Contador and his offence. Then they try and spin it and say all his other rivals are doing it even though they dont have a shred of evidence against any of them.

Thats how it works around here.

QFT and just to show em one more time

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I am no contador fan but yea if there is no hard evidence they are not doping. Chris horner is also very clean.

 

[airstream]

The thing that makes me laugh most is as soon as one (no matter who, Schleck fan, Evans fan or neutral fan) hints on Contador doping background, El Pistolero comes up in 10 min and posts his invariable billet about Frank and Fuentes. It's sort of auto training.

 

[El Pistolero]

It is the same for me with Evans, but people still dislike. That's fine. Do you realise that hating someone is a deeper dislike than being a critic of someone?
For the record, they actually have plenty of evidence on Contador, nothing on Evans even if he does dope.

Lets not turn this into a clinic discussion.

You don't need more proof than Mapei

 

[El Pistolero]

The Contador fans are always happy to bring up Frank and his links with Fuentes yet they say nothing about Contador and his offence. Then they try and spin it and say all his other rivals are doing it even though they dont have a shred of evidence against any of them.

Thats how it works around here.

I only never denied Contador doped, so that destroys your little fantasy.

Frank's ties with Fuentes are even worse than Contador's ties with Fuentes. Only the Andy fangirls(most of his fans are women, I've seen them at races ) are denying the facts about their precious superheroes. Not a surprise as the Schlecks are the only good athletes they have in Luxembourg, so they're protected as if they were gods.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

this was mapei in 2002, not the 90s back in 2002 organised team doping only existed with very few teams, euskaltel, portugese teams, us postal and csc

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

this was mapei in 2002, not the 90s back in 2002 organised team doping only existed with very few teams, euskaltel, portugese teams, us postal and csc

think you forgot a certain german team

 

[El Pistolero]

Contador has been punished, Frank got off the hook. Come back to me when he's banned and I'll stop criticizing him.

 

[hrotha]

Contador has been punished

Not for Puerto he wasn't

 

[Nilsson]

The original matter of the discussion is for what one can criticize Contador. There are 2obvious facts on Colombier story.
1. He attacked intentionally not caring a dime of team interests cos he clearly realized winning the stage with solo attack is impossible and all he could do is to drop Kloden;
2 He cooked up the excuse which could justify him partially in fans' eyes but surely it didn't work.

Although, if it simplifies your life (it really does, as I see) you are free to suppose that both points characterize him exceptionally positively. That's it.

Nonsense. Contador, before he attacks, speaks multiple times to Klöden (not unlikely to ask how Klöden is holding on and if he's alright with him going solo). When AC attacked, the Schlecks were nowhere (they didn't even accelerate that much) but it was enough to crack Klöden, who totally bonked. Contador looks back sees what is happening, probably thinks WTF is Andreas doing, and holds back.

I think Klöden didn't (want to) admit to AC he already was on his limit, or just didn't see the bonk coming...

 

[Ripper]

I only never denied Contador doped, so that destroys your little fantasy.

Frank's ties with Fuentes are even worse than Contador's ties with Fuentes. Only the Andy fangirls(most of his fans are women, I've seen them at races ) are denying the facts about their precious superheroes. Not a surprise as the Schlecks are the only good athletes they have in Luxembourg, so they're protected as if they were gods.

Ah they both doped and there's evidence on both. Unfortunately for ACD, it was not just the link, there were the test results and that had to be addressed. It took too long and was a silly process, and in the end he did not really suffer the same consequences as others.

Of course, MPA is now practicing 'new' training techniques. If he actually rips a fast TT, that'll be huge clinic discussion material