Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[Siriuscat]

Well I certainly don´t believe that kloden said ´o yea go for it Alberto I follow ya´ only to get dropped and lose time. I also don´t believe Alberto lied. Just a misunderstanding..

Yep we'll never know the truth but I wouldn't trust anything Armstrong or Bruyneel say as evidence.....I don't believe it was a misunderstanding.

 

[Carols]

As a scary thought - if you two were ever to mate, the result would be one scary-*** superfan.....

Visiting this thread every day sure beats a sitcom....literally laughing so hard there are tears...

 

[El Pistolero]

I want to specify a bit. Contador stated then that he supposedly had asked Kloden if he could attack and Klodi had permitted him. Klodi didn't confirm these words. And later Contador was vastly bawled out on the team briefing, where he cried, tried to justify his move and apologize in everyway. That was another obvious lie though.

Who seriously gives a **** about Klöden getting dropped in a mountain? This is a bike race, not a waiting game. Lance Armstrong had no problem increasing the tempo on stage 3 of the Tour in 2009 when Contador was in the mongolenwaaier.

Are you going to complain every time Andy drops Fuglsang or Monfort in July? Contador had every right to drop his lousy team-mates. The only thing I'm sad about is that he didn't do it with Lance Armstrong on Mont Ventoux.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ma0DBT7eg0

Don't cry Klöden. Those who play at bowls, must look out for rubs.

 

[El Pistolero]

La Florecita said you cant criticise Contador whatsoever and Airstream pointed out what happenned with Kloden on the Colombiere. There was no need for Contador to attack there. He already had enough time over the Schlecks going into the final TT. Not only that he goes on and gifts the stage to Frank so why dont you criticise Contador there for not sprinting for the stage win. Like you said it is a bike race after all.

As has been said before Contador can do no wrong with people around here like yourself.

Yes there was, it's called revenge. Best served cold.

Besides, I never said you can't criticise Contador nor did I agree with her.

 

[thehog]

Where did you see that?

You wouldnt have a link to it by any chance?

The story was printed in several news papers and in English in ProCycling magazine.

Armstrong amidst berating Contador at the team dinner table. Thensome of the Caisse d'Epargne team were walking through the hotel restaurant after they finished their meal. Armstrong turned to them and shouted in half Spanish and half English – “You want a rider? You want to take this one? Here take this one – have this guy” pointing angrily at Contador. To those who were there it wasn’t so much what was said but how it was said and the that is was done in front of the whole team.

 

[El Pistolero]

He did his revenge at Verbier and also at Arcalis before that dont you think.

And if you read the stories about what happened behind the scenes it was not nearly enough

 

[Christian]

Did Oscar get a ceremony??? I sure don't remember one.

He did have a ceremony, except nobody lost their sh!t about it cause ... well, why not actually?!

"Finally, we have a winner and it's Oscar," Tour director Christian Prudhomme said. "Oscar, you have won the Tour out on the road."

"He's a late winner, but he's a real winner," Prudhomme added.

Spanish Sports Minister Jaime Lissavetzky and Patrice Clerc, head of Tour organizers ASO, attended the ceremony.

Lissavetzky said Pereiro had been awarded Spain's gold medal for sporting merit.

"It's good for sport to have mechanisms that can filter out those who cheat," said Pereiro, a former teammate of Landis' with Phonak.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=3064123


BTW what is Lissavetzky up to these days? Probably not in the gouvernment anymore now that Rajoy took over?

 

[El Pistolero]

It wasnt nearly enough yet he had the Tour more or less wrapped up by that time. And I remember his interview at the end of the stage where Contador said he had a good relationship with Kloden and that he felt sorry and bad about what he had done. Now if he done that to Armstrong I would of said he deserved it for the way he was treating him. But I dont think Kloden deserved that to happen to him. Even Contador afterwards felt guilty about it.

Says who? I doubt Contador felt sorry for attacking Schleck when his chain fell off. He just wanted to get the journalists off his back.

Klöden didn't help him once, he was Armstrong's personal domestique. He just wasn't good enough that day. If I remember correctly even Armstrong caught up with Klöden. Was probably about to bonk either way.

 

[Christian]

Caisse d'Epargne even released this photo:

For a larger version:

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news...16news/PodiumTourdeFrance2006FotoAbarcaSports

Only for the heck of it I pray that RadioShack do the same only to see the forum implode. Tomorrow I'm going to enroll in a class to learn Photoshop and leak the photo myself, say it was stolen from Prudhomme's desktop.

 

[woodenswan]

Visiting this thread every day sure beats a sitcom....literally laughing so hard there are tears...

i'll second that
i'd love a reality show featuring laflorecita and airstream playing practical jokes on one another, going at it all day but slowly growing fond of eachother and finally realizing the cant live without the spark their endless debates produce, eventually making the big decision to denounce their respective riders and support TGBM instead.
any big time producers here?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

i'll second that
i'd love a reality show featuring laflorecita and airstream playing practical jokes on one another, going at it all day but slowly growing fond of eachother and finally realizing the cant live without the spark their endless debates produce, eventually making the big decision to denounce their respective riders and support TGBM instead.
any big time producers here?

Can Olivia Wilde play laflorecita?

 

[Parrulo]

kloden cracked massively anyway being caught up by both armstrong and nibali a few k before the finish line(who were over 2 minutes behind) and being dropped by them on the freaking flat run in to the line. attack or no attack there is no way kloden would have kept up with the other 3.

and i agree with pisti here, if i was contador i would have also dropped him on ventoux

 

[Fetisoff]

Can Olivia Wilde play laflorecita?

I got an idea of an actor to play airstream as well.

Supporting cast should be strong too. I think we'll have Danny DeVito playing El_Pistolero

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I got an idea of an actor to play airstream as well.

Supporting cast should be strong too. I think we'll have Danny DeVito playing El_Pistolero

allways wanted DiCaprio to play me, but do we have the budget?

 

[Fetisoff]

allways wanted DiCaprio to play me, but do we have the budget?

I'm sure CN can just put more ads on their forum

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I'm sure CN can just put more ads on their forum

a great idea!

 

[jens_attacks]

The story was printed in several news papers and in English in ProCycling magazine.

Armstrong amidst berating Contador at the team dinner table. Thensome of the Caisse d'Epargne team were walking through the hotel restaurant after they finished their meal. Armstrong turned to them and shouted in half Spanish and half English – “You want a rider? You want to take this one? Here take this one – have this guy” pointing angrily at Contador. To those who were there it wasn’t so much what was said but how it was said and the that is was done in front of the whole team.

lol gotta love armstrong
gotta love contador too because he still murdered them on that tour.
but man if he did say that,it's epic gold right there.

 

[LaFlorecita]

lol gotta love armstrong
gotta love contador too because he still murdered them on that tour.
but man if he did say that,it's epic gold right there.

Lolwut?......

 

[peloton]

That was the stage where Contador attacked on the Colombier and dropped Kloden and then went on to gift the stage to Frank at the end. By him attacking and bringing the Schleck brothers with them Kloden lost out on significant time to them.

To be honest Contador deserved criticism for the way he did that to Kloden.

In your case Siriuscat, I would say it is selective memory on your part.

Lol, really? Since when does the team captain ride for a team mate aka The Freiburg Phantom?

Do you think Klöden was the captain for Astana?

Back to the topic, I appreciate Andy doing a sprint for the 91st place at AGR.

 

[UpTheRoad]

Says who? I doubt Contador felt sorry for attacking Schleck when his chain fell off. He just wanted to get the journalists off his back.

Klöden didn't help him once, he was Armstrong's personal domestique. He just wasn't good enough that day. If I remember correctly even Armstrong caught up with Klöden. Was probably about to bonk either way.

Not true. Can't recall the stage, but Klodi was the only one who dropped back to AC when AC flatted. Contrast that with the 4 Astana riders who stopped to pace Leipheimer back when he got a flat on another stage.

Klodi and Armstrong did actively ride against AC on Verbier, though.

 

[UpTheRoad]

kloden cracked massively anyway being caught up by both armstrong and nibali a few k before the finish line(who were over 2 minutes behind) and being dropped by them on the freaking flat run in to the line. attack or no attack there is no way kloden would have kept up with the other 3.

and i agree with pisti here, if i was contador i would have also dropped him on ventoux

Couldn't have done it then, and shouldn't have done it. Remember, AC had to ride back down the mountain at the end of the stage. He needed to keep up the pretense that Astana was a team for just one more day and then it was over for him.

Veering off-topic even more, I am most disappointed with Chris Horner's towing the company line during that tour. I am sure he was rightfully miffed about not being selected, but when he criticized AC so vehemently after Arcalis it was appalling hypocrisy. Horner was the lone high profile American rider who scoffed at the ridiculousness of the DiscoPostal train and then he gets in line. Such a letdown.

 

[El Pistolero]

Not true. Can't recall the stage, but Klodi was the only one who dropped back to AC when AC flatted. Contrast that with the 4 Astana riders who stopped to pace Leipheimer back when he got a flat on another stage.

Klodi and Armstrong did actively ride against AC on Verbier, though.

You must have quite some memory to recollect something like that then.

 

[UpTheRoad]

You must have quite some memory to recollect something like that then.

Nah. It's just something that seemed so ridiculous at the time. Didn't realize how bad it got until the reports surfaced later, but it made no sense for AC to have no help. I don't think he was in yellow at the time, but he definitely got the shaft from Astana that year. Klodi was the only one who wasn't one of AC's hand-picked lieutenants that actually tried to be a teammate to AC.

 

[airstream]

The original matter of the discussion is for what one can criticize Contador. There are 2obvious facts on Colombier story.
1. He attacked intentionally not caring a dime of team interests cos he clearly realized winning the stage with solo attack is impossible and all he could do is to drop Kloden;
2 He cooked up the excuse which could justify him partially in fans' eyes but surely it didn't work.

Although, if it simplifies your life (it really does, as I see) you are free to suppose that both points characterize him exceptionally positively. That's it.

 

[Afrank]

i'll second that
i'd love a reality show featuring laflorecita and airstream playing practical jokes on one another, going at it all day but slowly growing fond of eachother and finally realizing the cant live without the spark their endless debates produce, eventually making the big decision to denounce their respective riders and support TGBM instead.
any big time producers here?

Greatest movie idea ever!!!