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zigmeister

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there ARE lots of similarities; perennial second place, the "pardy hardy" persona, and each one has his own svengali (Kim and Rudy)... then of course Jan actually DID win The Big Race whereas Frankenandy never has. Winning and being declared winner are two different things. Also Jan always seemed like a good guy, the kind of person you'd like to know. Frankenandy.... not so much.
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Jan won doped up we know.

Andy may have been doped in the past, maybe his poor performance this year is due to him laying low?

Lackluster his performance has been, and his big $$$ salary he hasn't justified at all this year.

Somehow with very poor early/mid season form the past few years, he has somehow managed to perform well in the TDF despite this.

We shall see...will be hilarious if he pulls off a victory at the TDF...but the way Evans was riding yesterday...I don't see how. Cadel is likely going to repeat albeit any unforseen unfortunate events, like crashes etc...that take him out.
 
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Once again Andy Schleck lost time for no good reason. Bruyneel should put the hammer down and send the pouting Schlecklet home. He obviously isn't interested in competing at the Dauphine.
 
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zigmeister said:
We shall see...will be hilarious if he pulls off a victory at the TDF...but the way Evans was riding yesterday...I don't see how. Cadel is likely going to repeat albeit any unforseen unfortunate events, like crashes etc...that take him out.
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I think Evans is the favorite too, but unfortunate events are always a significant possibility. One of the remarkable things about all the riders who won several TdFs or more was that they stayed out of trouble. Sure to some extent you can "make your own luck" by riding near the front as much as possible, great bike handling skills, etc. but it's still remarkable.

Look at what happened to Radioshack last year at the TdF. They went in with four guys they thought had a shot at the top ten. It wasn't long before they had one guy left, Leipheimer, and he was in bad shape, eventually finishing 31st.
 
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zigmeister said:
Jan won doped up we know.

Somehow with very poor early/mid season form the past few years, he has somehow managed to perform well in the TDF despite this.

We shall see...will be hilarious if he pulls off a victory at the TDF...but the way Evans was riding yesterday...I don't see how. Cadel is likely going to repeat albeit any unforseen unfortunate events, like crashes etc...that take him out.
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Andy shows up in good form targeting at most three stages mid-to-late in the Tour. It wasn't enough last year, and that was a year that probably favored him better than this year. Add in the energy drain of the squabble with management, and he's going to be especially challenged.

Evans, for example, appears to be prepared to ride hard for the win on any given day where he sees the opportunity, like 2011 Stage 4. He gains a little time and a bite out of his opponent's confidence. A rider of this sort (Evans, Nibali, perhaps even Wiggins) will nickle and dime Andy until Andy's gains on the 'One Big Day' aren't enough to carry him into Paris.
 
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How many times have we seen someone tear-up the Dauphine only to fade in the TDF? I don't expect Andy Schleck to win the Tour this year, but better than expected.

Wiggins worries me being good all the early season and expecting to hold form in July. If he does, he'll be on the podium if not on top.
 
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How many times have we seen someone tear-up the Dauphine only to fade in the TDF? I don't expect Andy Schleck to win the Tour this year, but better than expected.

Wiggins worries me being good all the early season and expecting to hold form in July. If he does, he'll be on the podium if not on top.
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I think this is generally true. You don't want to go deep at the Dauphine. That being said, what Andy is doing is overkill. I think Contador and Armstrong did it correctly. Rode hard, but didn't blitz the course. It would be one thing if Andy was riding within himself, but hard on a Cat 1 or HC, but he's slow pedaling a Cat 4! :eek: He should be able to fall out of his bed and ride that as a professional.

Maybe all will be forgotten in a few weeks time, but I don't see it. The first week of the Tour will be critical for him.
 
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Evans, for example, appears to be prepared to ride hard for the win on any given day where he sees the opportunity, like 2011 Stage 4. He gains a little time and a bite out of his opponent's confidence. A rider of this sort (Evans, Nibali, perhaps even Wiggins) will nickle and dime Andy until Andy's gains on the 'One Big Day' aren't enough to carry him into Paris.
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Yep. The smart riders are opportunists who will take time whenever they see a chance to do it without blowing up, even if it's a few seconds. Contador is another one who will grab seconds any chance he gets.

Look at this year's Giro. Ryder never buried his rivals. He was very consistent and he took some small gains when he had the chance. He stuck near the top of the GC throughout the race, took 26 seconds on Rodriguez and others in stage 14, finished with six contenders in the selective stage 17 that reduced the likely GC hopefuls to five riders, took 13 seconds plus a few more bonus on Rodriguez and a little more on other GCers in stage 19, stayed close in stage 20, and turned in a good time trial. Smart racing. Giro victory.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
What an insulting article. Andy Schleck isn't anywhere close to Jan.

Ulrich won 2 GTs on the road. He won the Olympics. He was world TT champ twice.

Andy can't descend out of bed without a helper. He can't TT.

He can climb. For a couple weeks in July. That's it.
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For all the immense class and superior palmares Ullrich had, he was still an embarrassing sight in the early season, often up to and including Suisse.
 
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If Andy takes this Tour, it will be the most spectacular phenomenon in world cycling history. Though, something prompts me he treats likes of Dani Moreno in a disparaging way. One should have its time. ;)
 
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If Andy takes the Tour, it certainly will be phenominal. I hope he makes a serious effort, as the contrast in styles between him and Evans / Wiggins could make for a great tour even if he ultimately fails. I'm keeping fingers crossed that he will feel liberated by the absence of Contador, and really attack on more than one stage.
 
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Poor Andy... going backwards. Even managed to finish in the Hincapie group. Prospects of him at the Tour are not looking good.
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nah he looks good.of course sometimes he really deserves all the bashing.
but in july he will be there
i also expect a strong showing on joux-plane just to troll us all.

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it'll still be a pleasure to see him attacking on the mountains.nobody wants to see wiggins and evans attacking each other:eek:
 
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on3m@n@rmy said:
Poor Andy... going backwards. Even managed to finish in the Hincapie group. Prospects of him at the Tour are not looking good.
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Possibly probing Hincapie about BMC and the comfort of the Hincapie kit and chamois.:p Jump to BMC for Andy and Frank? Bail on their contracts ala Cancellara/Saxo? Andy promises to not give Evans too much fight in the mountains and aid Evans in putting the screws to Wiggins in exhange for Evans 2nd and final Tour win, retirement and handing the team over to the whining Schleck duo.;)
 
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Angliru

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If Andy takes this Tour, it will be the most spectacular phenomenon in world cycling history. Though, something prompts me he treats likes of Dani Moreno in a disparaging way. One should have its time. ;)
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Your idea of cycling history must go as far back as 2007.:p
 
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I honestly think this is it for me, Andy. You pull this **** in every race, dishounouring the sport of cycling. You need to pull out some ultra-offensive, suicidal racing in the tour to win me back now...
 
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