Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[airstream]

Listen up bro, I have no problem with you, but I do have a problem with your posts. Half of your posts I don't even understand, and of the other half a big part is bulls.hit. It's okay if you're an Andy fanboy, but at least acknowledge you are, because your posts are not those of a "general cycling fan".

just acknowledge that if you disagree with somebody or dont get (im absolutely sure, the guys, who wanted to understand, grasped my thought), it doesnt mean hes wrong. for the lack of other arguments, you think so. learn to get over the things you dislike. i can't dispute the circumstances, thats why i brought the numbers. dry figures tell that andy schleck was stronger than alberto contador on high mountain stages over last 3 tours. apparently, the fact, that schleck can be better than contador (YEAH), made you forget our initial subject of dispute. it was andy's hypothetical start in the giro, which will be decided in the mountains at 95% probability

 

[hrotha]

It is empirical. How much is determined by your mental state and how much by raw talent? You need both to be truly great in this sport. It's pretty clear by now Schleck the younger lacks in one of those aspects

Of course, but in this hypothetical discussion he's doing both the Giro and the Tour at the highest level, so it's pretty obvious in this scenario he's at least as ambitious as your average pro rider.

The massive leap of form he usually makes from the Tour de Suisse to the Tour suggests that his span of top form is really, really short. So it's empirical.

I was always under the impression that the leap was an illusion. He can't be bothered even in Suisse. He rides with a heartbeat cap.

 

[El Pistolero]

Didn't look like he didn't care at Suisse last year though. Getting beaten by Thomas Degendt. LOL!

 

[hrotha]

Regardless, it's hilarious and very telling that the argument here goes "He's just a hack without the stage racing talent of an actual star" - "No he's just a lazy ****." Poor guy.

 

[meat puppet]

Darlings of the establishment deserve the flak they get, context aside. But yeah, with Andy this is becoming tiresome cause he makes it too easy.

 

[Walkman]

That Andy has never dropped everyone on a climb.

Actually he has! If you look at the results from the 2010 Tour, you'll see that Andy dropped everyone on Tourmalet.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

But how can we know for sure? It's not like he's ever actually raced more than one stage race per year, let alone more than one GT.

He did "race" the Tour of the Basque Country last year. He suffered like a dog (or so he says - and I believe him) and finished 12th on GC in a stage race that doesn't really suit him. You can't compare it with Liege.

 

[Froome19]

What do you imply? That Andy Schleck is a great rider on the flat?


The massive leap of form he usually makes from the Tour de Suisse to the Tour suggests that his span of top form is really, really short. So it's empirical.

Yes but it doesn't matter how long his peaks are just as long as they span a GT. It doesnt prove whether he can peak twice or not. And showing how he's usually good in the ardennes, the chances are he could be good then and in tour etc.
Of course in practice the chances are it is not so but until Andy proves us otherwise (which is doubtful as he will never do 2 GT's competitively in a season) you dont have any conclusive evidence

 

[airstream]

Actually he has! If you look at the results from the 2010 Tour, you'll see that Andy dropped everyone on Tourmalet.

plus the madeleine, where he blew up the peloton partially by means of some random gregarios from astana.

Well using the 2009 Vuelta as an example of his back-to-back grand tour performances, I'd say the evidence shows he'd have been much worse off but of course he was lacking motivation right?

i dont have the slightest idea. everything about his motivation and desire to compete is a puzzle, a mystery of the ancient masters, a thing-in-itself, etc.

 

[Angliru]

He did "race" the Tour of the Basque Country last year. He suffered like a dog (or so he says - and I believe him) and finished 12th on GC in a stage race that doesn't really suit him. You can't compare it with Liege.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is it about the Tour of the Basque Country parcours that doesn't suit Andy?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is it about the Tour of the Basque Country parcours that doesn't suit Andy?

It's too "explosive," IMO. LBL is more about endurance.

 

[Angliru]

Yes but it doesn't matter how long his peaks are just as long as they span a GT. It doesnt prove whether he can peak twice or not. And showing how he's usually good in the ardennes, the chances are he could be good then and in tour etc.
Of course in practice the chances are it is not so but until Andy proves us otherwise (which is doubtful as he will never do 2 GT's competitively in a season) you dont have any conclusive evidence

I'm obviously biased but as one of the grand tour elite, I'd have to guess that an attribute that all supposed grand tour contenders have is the ability to maintain a high level of form for a long period, that period being the 3 weeks of that event.

 

[Angliru]

It's too "explosive," IMO. LBL is more about endurance.

...but didn't Kloden win it last year?

 

[Angliru]

plus the madeleine, where he blew up the peloton partially by means of some random gregarios from astana.


i dont have the slightest idea. everything about his motivation and desire to compete is a puzzle, a mystery of the ancient masters, a thing-in-itself, etc.

Maybe dangle a case of lager on the back of a moto in his range of sight?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

...but didn't Kloden win it last year?

Indeed.

 

[airstream]

again, guys, primarily its the matter of demands, made on the rider. schleck doesnt have a goal to be the brightest rider of our days or even one of the brightest, otherwise he would've ridden other way. his goal is the tour and nothing else. surely, the question arises as to whether the rest harder racing would help him in the tour or not. i think, a rider always knows better. сoming everything down to laziness is ridiculous.

 

[LaFlorecita]

just acknowledge that if you disagree with somebody or dont get (im absolutely sure, the guys, who wanted to understand, grasped my thought), it doesnt mean hes wrong. for the lack of other arguments, you think so. learn to get over the things you dislike. i can't dispute the circumstances, thats why i brought the numbers. dry figures tell that andy schleck was stronger than alberto contador on high mountain stages over last 3 tours. apparently, the fact, that schleck can be better than contador (YEAH), made you forget our initial subject of dispute. it was andy's hypothetical start in the giro, which will be decided in the mountains at 95% probability

Yeah indeed. Alberto's clearly the better climber that's why you bring up useless statistics. Apart from the Galibier stage, the only place Andy actually gained time was the Morzine stage. So if you disregard the Galibier stage, Andy's way behind Alberto. And yes, I disregard the Galibier stage. Alberto was useless. If Andy's going to be useless sometime when they race against each other again(and I'm not sure that's going to happen in the near future), Alberto on topform (and I'm not so sure that'll happen either) will put minutes in Andy too.

Hey, you know what? After this year, Andy will have an even bigger advantage! Why don't you get excited already? Oh, and come July all Andy fans will come back from their off season break. I'm sure you'll like them a lot.

 

[LaFlorecita]

again, guys, primarily its the matter of demands, made on the rider. schleck doesnt have a goal to be the brightest rider of our days or even one of the brightest, otherwise he would've ridden other way. his goal is the tour and nothing else. surely, the question arises as to whether the rest harder racing would help him in the tour or not. i think, a rider always knows better. сoming everything down to laziness is ridiculous.

So you disagree Andy is a lazy d.ick that doesn't care a fvck about cycling except for the Tour (and Ardennes)?

 

[Angliru]

That was because of an itt, you know, that other thing that isn't suited to andy

Something isn't quite right in this scenario of the Basque Country not being Andy's cup of tea, especially if we're to surmise that Andreas Kloden and Chris Horner are more "explosive" than he is. At the end of the penultimate stage, Kloden was at the same time as Purito but Purito had the gc lead by fractions of a second. Giving credit where credit it due, on the stage that Samu won, Andy came in at the tail end of the rest of the contenders, finishing with the same time, so he and Frank were involved in the battle on that stage. Likely the descent is what did Andy in on that one.

 

[The Hitch]

plus the madeleine, where he blew up the peloton partially by means of some random gregarios from astana

Lol that is the best post I've seen from you. lets hope you keep improving.

 

[airstream]

Yeah indeed. Alberto's clearly the better climber that's why you bring up useless statistics.

what have u brought up, barring ridiculing me and my country?

And yes, I disregard the Galibier stage. Alberto was useless.

lol, whats the point in discussion if we disregard the results? I havent disputed the title of the best climber. its unofficial and doesnt interest me by and large .

Hey, you know what? After this year, Andy will have an even bigger advantage! Why don't you get excited already? Oh, and come July all Andy fans will come back from their off season break. I'm sure you'll like them a lot.

im gettin excited more and more ill be glad to share a fan interest.

So you disagree Andy is a lazy d.ick that doesn't care a fvck about cycling except for the Tour (and Ardennes)?

you know, i prefer not to contemplate with black-and-white categories. its a very hard sport. there are no lazy ones,only hard-working and very hardworking.

using of some of your words doesnt beautify a young girl, especially given she's a fangirl of such a modest guy)

 

[LaFlorecita]

what have u brought up, barring ridiculing me and my country?

'scuse me? I ridiculed your country? It was a joke, guy. I even told the people who were actually ridiculing your country to stop.

lol, whats the point in discussion if we disregard the results? I havent disputed the title of the best climber. its unofficial and doesnt interest me by and large .

We don't disregard the results, we disregard results that have no place in discussing the best climber. I think that the results we include should be those where both had equal form.

im gettin excited more and more ill be glad to share a fan interest.

Yeah, understandably. I'm getting disgusted more and more. I think I might give up cycling. I can't follow it anymore. It's disgusting.

you know, i prefer not to contemplate with black-and-white categories. its a very hard sport. there are no lazy ones,only hard-working and very hardworking.

using of some of your words doesnt beautify a young girl, especially given she's a fangirl of such a modest guy)

Very modest indeed. Can't be said of a certain other And I use the words I want to use. I don't need people to like me. I don't need to portray myself as the perfect girl next door.

 

[ferryman]

So you disagree Andy is a lazy d.ick that doesn't care a fvck about cycling except for the Tour (and Ardennes)?

Steady there LaFL. It doesn't have to be black and white or good guy, d*ck. It is possible to actualy like both guys and appreciate what they both bring.

First and foremost I'm a Contador fan but it didn't stop me supporting Andy last year in the TDF nor will it this year.

I think Airstream is fighting a bit of a backs to the wall fight just now and maybe is losing some rationale because of that and no doubt a fair bit lost in translation.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Steady there LaFL. It doesn't have to be black and white or good guy, d*ck. It is possible to actualy like both guys and appreciate what they both bring.

First and foremost I'm a Contador fan but it didn't stop me supporting Andy last year in the TDF nor will it this year.

I think Airstream is fighting a bit of a backs to the wall fight just now and maybe is losing some rationale because of that and no doubt a fair bit lost in translation.

Of course it is possible but for me no longer.

 

[Froome19]

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We don't disregard the results, we disregard results that have no place in discussing the best climber. I think that the results we include should be those where both had equal form.

Yeah, understandably. I'm getting disgusted more and more. I think I might give up cycling. I can't follow it anymore. It's disgusting.
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TBH the galibier stage was one of Schlecks best results so it would be unfair to disclude it, because I doubt contador at full peak would have brought back Schleck fully anyway.

BTW whats so disgusting about cycling exactly, it cant just be because of Contador's ban which has no direct correllation to cycling atm.

Anyway Contador is certainly a better climber than Schleck. Just think about whether Schleck could have dominated this years giro as Contador did..