Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[The Hitch]

Agreed, there is no comparison but there is no reason why you can't be a fan of both. I am.

There are valid reasons though why one might struggle to be a fan of both Carlos Sastre and Andy or David Moncoutie and Andy.

 

[Climeon]

does anyone have any links to articles where the schlecks bad mouth sastre, I've only really gotten into cycling in the last 6 months and have only read the tour de france race history on cycling news. The schlecks are both very complimentary to sastre in the initial interviews posted in the history

 

[ferryman]

There are valid reasons though why one might struggle to be a fan of both Carlos Sastre and Andy or David Moncoutie and Andy.

Agreed, and I can see clearly why. I'm just saying that, whilst possibly contradictory in some eyes, it's possible to like X,Y & Z rider regardless and Moncoutie in your example

Conversely, and possibly just as contradictory, what irks me most is blind support and defense of riders purely down to nationality.

 

[Angliru]

And yet some fans of Contador still feel the need to dissect every statement and every performance of a rider who is overshadowed and outclassed.

Probably because he is still a threat and well capable of giving the "best rider since Hinault" a sleepless night or two.

Schleck can be a ******* but he is also the biggest threat to Contador in the Tour. Other *******s who get dropped faster don't have Contador fanboys camping in threads about them.

Better edit my post.

I've never questioned the fact that Andy is Contador's chief competition in the mountains of the grand tours but let's not forget that last year Evans beat Schleck in Tour that was Andy's for the taking.

 

[The Hitch]

Agreed, and I can see clearly why. I'm just saying that, whilst possibly contradictory in some eyes, it's possible to like X,Y & Z rider regardless and Moncoutie in your example

Conversely, and possibly just as contradictory, what irks me most is blind support and defense of riders purely down to nationality.

Well the biggest contador fans on here are angliru from Michigan, Fleur from Holland (one of the few dutch fans on here actually who isn't a fan of riders purely down to nationality) pistolero a Belgian (though otherwise he is very nationalistic) and myself a Pole.
Contador transcends borders.

Though i agree with your observation that its annoying seeing riders defended solely due to their nationality.

 

[Polish]

Well the biggest contador fans on here are angliru from Michigan, Fleur from Holland (one of the few dutch fans on here actually who isn't a fan of riders purely down to nationality) pistolero a Belgian (though otherwise he is very nationalistic) and myself a Pole.
Contador transcends borders.

Though i agree with your observation that its annoying seeing riders defended solely due to their nationality.

Yes, Contador transcends borders. But what top cyclist does not?
Andy transcends borders too. And Jens. And Cadel. And Levi.
All top cyclists transcend borders.

Not sure what your point is. Or mine for that matter.
Although I do wish there were more Top Polish riders.

 

[airstream]

The Hitch, is 'the great one' your author's passage?what andy told about moncutie?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Agreed, and I can see clearly why. I'm just saying that, whilst possibly contradictory in some eyes, it's possible to like X,Y & Z rider regardless and Moncoutie in your example

Conversely, and possibly just as contradictory, what irks me most is blind support and defense of riders purely down to nationality.

Ssshhh. Quiet with this heresy. Now calm down, and cool yourself down with an ice cold, refreshing glass of Team Sky Hype Juice.

The Hitch, is 'the great one' your author's passage?what andy told about moncutie?

It has been reported that Andy, for seemingly no reason, explained that Moncoutié could have challenged for the Tour but doesn't because he's "*** in the head". However, I can't find what language the quote was originally in, and hopefully it's due to mistranslation.

 

[Parrulo]

Well the biggest contador fans on here are angliru from Michigan, Fleur from Holland (one of the few dutch fans on here actually who isn't a fan of riders purely down to nationality) pistolero a Belgian (though otherwise he is very nationalistic) and myself a Pole.
Contador transcends borders.

Though i agree with your observation that its annoying seeing riders defended solely due to their nationality.

the fact that you forgot about me on that list is a bit annoying is it because i like so many different riders? but you would also be out if it was for that reason lol

 

[The Hitch]

the fact that you forgot about me on that list is a bit annoying is it because i like so many different riders? but you would also be out if it was for that reason lol

Yeah sorry.

Parrulo, another shining example of a cycling fan contador fan.

 

[airstream]

there are even more of u. publicus + many guys protect him in the clinic.. when i joined the forum sometimes it seemed like a sect

 

[Carols]

Agreed, there is no comparison but there is no reason why you can't be a fan of both. I am.

I was also, until he was tossed from the Vuelta.

 

[hatcher]

Agreed, and I can see clearly why. I'm just saying that, whilst possibly contradictory in some eyes, it's possible to like X,Y & Z rider regardless and Moncoutie in your example

Conversely, and possibly just as contradictory, what irks me most is blind support and defense of riders purely down to nationality.

Much worse than blind hatred of riders purely down to nationality that you indulge in.

 

[Maxiton]

Yeah, and you forgot about me, who also defends him in the Clinic (when I go into the Clinic), or wherever he might need defending. I agree. Contador is a rider who transcends borders.

 

[airstream]

It has been reported that Andy, for seemingly no reason, explained that Moncoutié could have challenged for the Tour but doesn't because he's "*** in the head". However, I can't find what language the quote was originally in, and hopefully it's due to mistranslation.

Thanks. I heard something about that statement too, but in a much more polite form. its highly unlikely that they could speak out so ignorantly. Although some fans don't consider it mistranslation for the obvious reason.
certainly!

hehe. chapeau, roundabout. strong alternative opinion. Even the great one sometimes deserves a little slice of cold
cynicism.

naturally, contador personifies the most entertaining, the most understandable, so to speak, cycling in gt's. its easy to cheer a rider like him. however hes not the only one and he cannot overshadow the rest. Disrespect to the main rival is a weakness.

 

[greenedge]

I saw that Comment in the RIDE 2010 TDF preview magazine but obviously based nicer.

 

[Angliru]

does anyone have any links to articles where the schlecks bad mouth sastre, I've only really gotten into cycling in the last 6 months and have only read the tour de france race history on cycling news. The schlecks are both very complimentary to sastre in the initial interviews posted in the history

Those particular statements were in cover articles on the Schlecks in either Pro Cycling or Cycle Sport America magazines. They are no longer at all complimentary of Sastre or Riis. Frank is bitter about Sastre's 2008 Tour win and Andy's not at all grateful for anything Riis may have done in grooming him to be the rider he is today. He gives all credit to those in management under Riis at the time and to some of his teammates from the period and of course his brother.

 

[Angliru]

Agreed, and I can see clearly why. I'm just saying that, whilst possibly contradictory in some eyes, it's possible to like X,Y & Z rider regardless and Moncoutie in your example

Conversely, and possibly just as contradictory, what irks me most is blind support and defense of riders purely down to nationality.

Now where is this evident? Speaking for myself, I admit that I'm a fan of Spanish speaking riders and teams but I also was/am a fan of climbers like Simoni, Pantani and Garzelli.

 

[Angliru]

Agreed, and I can see clearly why. I'm just saying that, whilst possibly contradictory in some eyes, it's possible to like X,Y & Z rider regardless and Moncoutie in your example

Conversely, and possibly just as contradictory, what irks me most is blind support and defense of riders purely down to nationality.

Now where is this evident? Speaking for myself, I admit that I'm a fan of Spanish speaking riders and teams but I also was/am a fan of climbers like Simoni, Pantani, Moncoutie and Garzelli.

 

[Angliru]

Ssshhh. Quiet with this heresy. Now calm down, and cool yourself down with an ice cold, refreshing glass of Team Sky Hype Juice.


It has been reported that Andy, for seemingly no reason, explained that Moncoutié could have challenged for the Tour but doesn't because he's "*** in the head". However, I can't find what language the quote was originally in, and hopefully it's due to mistranslation.

IIRC the word(s) used in his statement were "not right in the head" in reference to Andy's quote regarding Moncoutie. What prompted this I have no idea.

 

[airstream]

by the way, dont you think the demonstrative elimination from the vuelta could be sort of settling old scores? surely, theres a strict sporting regime but i don't believe that riders, who don't fight for gc, are not entitled to have a beer at bedtime. more precisely, such a point certainly exists in team rules, but IMO directeurs sportif turn a blind eye at it. a beer bottle appeared on andy's photo after the fall in the 2010 tdf, but riis dared not kick away him then.

 

[Angliru]

Thanks. I heard something about that statement too, but in a much more polite form. its highly unlikely that they could speak out so ignorantly. Although some fans don't consider it mistranslation for the obvious reason.
certainly!

hehe. chapeau, roundabout. strong alternative opinion. Even the great one sometimes deserves a little slice of cold
cynicism.

naturally, contador personifies the most entertaining, the most understandable, so to speak, cycling in gt's. its easy to cheer a rider like him. however hes not the only one and he cannot overshadow the rest. Disrespect to the main rival is a weakness.

Respect is earned not simply given. Andy had mine earlier in his career and as far as his talent I do respect it and recognize it. I don't respect his attitude, his disrespect of some of his former teammates, competitors and managers. All of which is my right.

 

[Carols]

by the way, dont you think the demonstrative elimination from the vuelta could be sort of settling old scores? surely, theres a strict sporting regime but i don't believe that riders, who don't fight for gc, are not entitled to have a beer at bedtime. more precisely, such a point certainly exists in team rules, but IMO directeurs sportif turn a blind eye at it. a beer bottle appeared on andy's photo after the fall in the 2010 tdf, but riis dared not kick away him then.

No I think that staying out until 5AM drinking when you have a race to ride is Disrespectful of the Sport, The Race, the guys that are riding the race to do well, Frank who he was supposed to be helping and the Fans, which included me!!

It was a slap in the face to all involved and showed Andy's true colors

 

[airstream]

No I think that staying out until 5AM drinking when you have a race to ride is Disrespectful of the Sport, The Race, the guys that are riding the race to do well, Frank who he was supposed to be helping and the Fans, which included me!!

It was a slap in the face to all involved and showed Andy's true colors

Yes. Perhaps. You think, eleminating Andy and Stuey and showing power was more imprortant than keeping 2 helpers in the team, right?

Ah, it was an unique opportunity to check whether Andy is able to jump in form on the third week without rhyme or reason, as Contador does. Anyway, I think, he would've represented 1-2 attacks.

 

[El Pistolero]

Andy help? He wasn't going to help anyone in the Vuelta. Andy is a joke as a cyclist.