Andy Schleck?

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hrotha

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El Pistolero said:
Skipping nations for altitude training aka we're going to dope.
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You're aware Contador skipped last year's road race, allegedly because he had a cold, but he was also doing some altitude training at the time, right?
 
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I am happy to predict now that this years TdF (barring accidents) will result in Contador first, daylight second, followed by one of the Shacks greypower brigade . Andy will struggle to make top 5
 
Midnightfright

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Yeahright said:
I am happy to predict now that this years TdF (barring accidents) will result in Contador first, daylight second, followed by one of the Shacks greypower brigade . Andy will struggle to make top 5[/QUOTE

I'm happy to predict Andy and albie 1 and 2, daylight 3rd literally as much time as is deemed needed put into 3rd
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El Pistolero

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hrotha said:
You're aware Contador skipped last year's road race, allegedly because he had a cold, but he was also doing some altitude training at the time, right?
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You're aware Contador tested positive right?

And another thing: Contador did Dauphiné. All GT conteders go to altitude training after the Dauphiné. The main reason for someone like Contador to skip Tour de Suisse is because it's too late to go to altitude training after that.

Andy however did Tour de Suisse. Too late to start altitude training after the Tour de Suisse.... That's twice as fishy to me. Especially considering he totally sucked at Suisse while Contador is always pretty good in about every race he starts in. There's no way someone can get outclimbed by Thomas de Gendt 2 weeks before the Tour and get in form in time for the Tour to drop the best of climbers. Seems to me Andy is panicking. And don't give me the usual "he wasn't trying" argument. You could see the pain in his face(and the shame on the podium) and why else would you go in a breakaway and drop everyone in your group.

Contador is doing altitude training right now as well. But he didn't START doing it today. Cause that would be too late you know.
 
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I followed Andy the last 10 Years and I am pretty sure he isn't a doper.

I started to follow him during school time. He even wasn't able to cheat during class papers.

Andy was a nice pupil and still is a nice person, nowadays he is a bit arrogant due to the fact that he is overhyped in Lux.

He likes to go fishing, being out in the nature, hanging around in bars or just going to the pub and having a talk with the old people who discuss life in the pubs. So sometimes he is drunk, looses his driving license and ….

He is absolutely not interested in doping as when he would try, he is just unable not to tell nobody and it would come out immediately. He isn't even able to manage to dope.

Even Kim Andersen sometimes get's nervous with him as Andy isn't even able to prepare well for a race. Still he forget's to pack his bag properly or he forget's his bicycle or his wheel, his helmet … (It is a bit better now, not like in the Giro when he misses the start, still talking to the podium girls). Andersen has to check his preparation.

All this make's him symphatic, but he is a chaot and need to train during races, as otherwise he is not enough concentrated.

Andy has one biological advantage. He is able to recover very well after an race and that's why in the third tour week he has an advantage over the other riders.

I am quite sure that he is riding clean, he is just unable to dope (sorry Andy, but I believe he isn't clever enough to dope)
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The nature of doping as opposed to many other cases of fraud is that nice guys do dope. Starry eyed boys invest years into cycling, become men and see their illusions vanish. They become part of the "inner circle". At best they may make a few € and live in their false grandeur.

The problem isn't doping per se, but the fact that -at best- cycling is a puppet show; the people who wield them don't give a sh!t. No one stands against this. These men are victims.

By the way I would image Andersen is role model "puppet master". The man has an impressive curriculum of failed and missed doping test.
 
ferryman

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El Pistolero said:
You're aware Contador tested positive right?

And another thing: Contador did Dauphiné. All GT conteders go to altitude training after the Dauphiné. The main reason for someone like Contador to skip Tour de Suisse is because it's too late to go to altitude training after that.

Andy however did Tour de Suisse. Too late to start altitude training after the Tour de Suisse.... That's twice as fishy to me. Especially considering he totally sucked at Suisse while Contador is always pretty good in about every race he starts in. There's no way someone can get outclimbed by Thomas de Gendt 2 weeks before the Tour and get in form in time for the Tour to drop the best of climbers. Seems to me Andy is panicking. And don't give me the usual "he wasn't trying" argument. You could see the pain in his face(and the shame on the podium) and why else would you go in a breakaway and drop everyone in your group.

Contador is doing altitude training right now as well. But he didn't START doing it today. Cause that would be too late you know.
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Too late for the start but maybe not too late too late for Stage 12 which is still 3 weeks away? The de Gent stage was nearer 4 weeks away so maybe Andy is happy and on track? Just playing Devil's advocate here;)
 
papisimo98

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papisimo98 said:
Long time lurker of this board.
I put this in the Clinic because I know it could end up going the doping route.
But what is his preparation this year? He seems invisible at every race. This makes me highly skeptical. Avoiding tests?
At least the other contenders are at the pointy end of other races. Some of them at more than one race: Contador, Evans, even Frank for example.
Any opinions as to why this is?
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I'm going to bring this up again.
Andy was dropped on a Cat 3 climb today. He's been getting dropped all year long. I'm even more skeptical than last year.
Evans won today and both have had a similar season. What gives?
 
Benotti69

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papisimo98 said:
I'm going to bring this up again.
Andy was dropped on a Cat 3 climb today. He's been getting dropped all year long. I'm even more skeptical than last year.
Evans won today and both have had a similar season. What gives?
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you had better explain 'similar season'.

In the amount races entered, choice of race and time of the races?
 
papisimo98

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Benotti69 said:
you had better explain 'similar season'.

In the amount races entered, choice of race and time of the races?
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By similar I am referring to a somewhat botched spring buildup.
 
Ripper

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papisimo98 said:
By similar I am referring to a somewhat botched spring buildup.
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Evans had some bouts with illness but also worked hard in some races. He seems to be back to where he needs to be and trying like he normally does.

Shrek just seems to be off, which he often does except the 4 weeks he 'races' in the year. Andy does not seem to be trying, also like he normally does(n't) :D
 
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Evans had some bouts with illness but also worked hard in some races. He seems to be back to where he needs to be and trying like he normally does.

Shrek just seems to be off, which he often does except the 4 weeks he 'races' in the year. Andy does not seem to be trying, also like he normally does(n't) :D
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I think this might be Laurent Didier's year for the Luxembourg championships.
 
TourOfSardinia

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Ripper said:
Bwa ha ha ha ha!

All will be clear in about 5-6 weeks.

But there is nothing suspicious about Mandy Pandy Andy :D
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Now looking even more suspicious:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andersen-cant-explain-schlecks-performance-problems says:
Andersen's answers were unexpectedly curt, considering that he and Schleck are said to have a very close relationship. What does he think the rider is missing? “I have no comment.”

Will the 2010 Tour winner be ready for this year's race? “I can't tell you. But he says himself that he will be so we must assume so.” Or are there reasons to worry? “I don't know.”
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JPM London

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TourOfSardinia said:
Now looking even more suspicious:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andersen-cant-explain-schlecks-performance-problems says:
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I fail to see how the - now fairly open - secret that Andersen has been completely sidelined by JB in relation to anything to do with the Schlecks and so has no idea about Andy's form or progression shows anything about whether or not Andy juices...

To me all he - rather clumsily and most likely involuntarily - says is "I've no idea as I'm removed" and "No, it probably doesn't look good for Andy and the Tour, but I obviously can't say anything like that" and "By the way - if you hadn't already noticed - RSNT is one depressed, miserable place to be atm".
 
mewmewmew13

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JPM London said:
I fail to see how the - now fairly open - secret that Andersen has been completely sidelined by JB in relation to anything to do with the Schlecks and so has no idea about Andy's form or progression shows anything about whether or not Andy juices...

To me all he - rather clumsily and most likely involuntarily - says is "I've no idea as I'm removed" and "No, it probably doesn't look good for Andy and the Tour, but I obviously can't say anything like that" and "By the way - if you hadn't already noticed - RSNT is one depressed, miserable place to be atm".
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I agree with this. How can you have an intelligent opinion when you have no idea and are out of the loop?
 
BroDeal

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Moose McKnuckles said:
Exactly. Some people are just either too stupid or too willfully ignorant to see what's going on with cycling. Andy's knee problems? Even Andersen says those were nothing. What a bunch of garbage.
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The Hog's people have probably taken so much blood out of Andy that the poor dude has problems standing up without fainting. We should give him props for being able to finish stages within the time cut.
 
red_flanders

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Moose McKnuckles said:
Exactly. Some people are just either too stupid or too willfully ignorant to see what's going on with cycling. Andy's knee problems? Even Andersen says those were nothing. What a bunch of garbage.
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That they believe anyone will swallow this "I missed three days so I'm behind" garbage is telling. So many people have swallowed the lies before, they think they can say anything.

The Hog's people have probably taken so much blood out of Andy that the poor dude has problems standing up without fainting. We should give him props for being able to finish stages within the time cut.
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This.
 
JPM London

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Moose McKnuckles said:
Exactly. Some people are just either too stupid or too willfully ignorant to see what's going on with cycling. Andy's knee problems? Even Andersen says those were nothing. What a bunch of garbage.
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Just curious... If indeed someone did have knee problems that required treatment - how would they deal with that in a way that wouldn't be interpreted the "clinic way"?
 
spalco

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I think this thread is premature (as it relates to this year's Tour), we simply don't know yet wether Andy is on some serious program or he's simply crap.
 
JPM London

JPM London

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spalco said:
I think this thread is premature (as it relates to this year's Tour), we simply don't know yet wether Andy is on some serious program or he's simply crap.
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Actually it relates to last year's Tour :)
So you might say we're a bit late - OTOH it quite brilliantly reflects how similar Andy's preparation - or seeming lack thereof - is: To horribly stink in the run-up to the Tour for then go ahead and take second in Paris.

Anyway - it's a clinic thread, so I guess it's always relevant. The races change, but the questions remain the same - "Do they or don't they?"
 
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