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rata de sentina said:
This has to be the most depressing thread in the clinic. Basically Pat and Hein are like zombies, no matter how many limbs you hack off they still keep coming at ya.

McDruggen exists because the people who control the UCI want McDruggen to exist.

All this doping could be killed off with stiff team sanctions, yet somehow it is just too much to expect teams to police their own riders. Give me a break.

Pro cycling is about exploitation of the poor stupid bike riders. Their careers hang by a thread, they are placed under enormous pressure, and they aren't paid that much. On top of that the pressure of antidoping generally sits on them alone--the team can always drop them like a hot potato.
 
MarkvW said:
McDruggen exists because the people who control the UCI want McDruggen to exist..

Hein controls Hein. In theory the management committee can overrule Hein, but we see how often that happens. Other than ending the Kimmage lawsuit, it's all Hein all the time.

Voting as the process exists in the UCI is largely a ritual where nothing actually happens without Hein's approval.
 
MarkvW said:
McDruggen exists because the people who control the UCI want McDruggen to exist.

All this doping could be killed off with stiff team sanctions, yet somehow it is just too much to expect teams to police their own riders. Give me a break.

Pro cycling is about exploitation of the poor stupid bike riders. Their careers hang by a thread, they are placed under enormous pressure, and they aren't paid that much. On top of that the pressure of antidoping generally sits on them alone--the team can always drop them like a hot potato.

Pack fodder.

Dave.
 
This is the kind of thing that really *frosts* me about the UCI:

Will the UCI sanction disc brakes in the pro peloton?

"...We’re thinking about disc brakes for future use, but for the moment we don’t have enough data about them,”

...

It means that, if disc brakes were sanctioned, all the main manufacturers – Shimano, Campagnolo, SRAM and market newcomers such as TRP – would have to supply UCI accredited discs to the pro teams simultaneously.

A second safety concern, Mottet pointed out, is heat buildup in the discs, which could lead to serious burns if the brakes touched riders in a crash. ..."

Don't have enough data? Nobody at the UCI has even heard of that thing they call a mountain bike.

Yup, serious burns. Right after you cut your fingers off by sticking your hand into someone's spinning wheel...

Like who is going to be torching their brakes in a typical pack sprint, when Abdujaparov cuts you off into the barriers or when charging down the pave?

Maybe they should investigate how riders actually crash.

And why would every component manufacturer have to provide them simultaneously (easily done, of course, though cross-labeling as is commonly practiced in the pro peloton)?

Stupid. Just stupid.

Like just about every other UCI technical rule.

The UCI cannot fix the real problems, and then messes up everything it does touch.

Dave.
 
DirtyWorks said:
Hein controls Hein. In theory the management committee can overrule Hein, but we see how often that happens. Other than ending the Kimmage lawsuit, it's all Hein all the time.

Voting as the process exists in the UCI is largely a ritual where nothing actually happens without Hein's approval.

If Old Hein died tomorrow, the same problems would plague cycling.
 
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Sad thing is, I don't think it matters what gets exposed at the UCI. They are lock stocked barrel entrenched theres not a damn thing anybody can do about it. It's as if they operate in a vacuum. Seriously it's amazing. If you ever want to start a corrupt, untouchable, mafia-like organization, just start a sporting goverment. You can do any damn thing you please
 
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PosterBill said:
Sad thing is, I don't think it matters what gets exposed at the UCI. They are lock stocked barrel entrenched theres not a damn thing anybody can do about it. It's as if they operate in a vacuum. Seriously it's amazing. If you ever want to start a corrupt, untouchable, mafia-like organization, just start a sporting goverment. You can do any damn thing you please

Couldn't agree more. Just completely baffled by it. Does anyone know more about the Cycling Ireland board meeting for Pat's re-election? The guys that voted for Pat, are they his friends or what obligation do they have to him? i just can't understand how that happened.
 
Rusty Bike said:
Couldn't agree more. Just completely baffled by it. Does anyone know more about the Cycling Ireland board meeting for Pat's re-election? The guys that voted for Pat, are they his friends or what obligation do they have to him? i just can't understand how that happened.

I would suggest that Pat is doing good things for Cycling in IRELAND! He certainly brought them the Giro start.

I'm saying this slightly tongue-in-cheek. Of course he's a slimy ******* that has to go though. Won't happen for a while, unfortunately. There's still plenty more money to be had before he's forced out.
 
heart_attack_man said:
I would suggest that Pat is doing good things for Cycling in IRELAND! He certainly brought them the Giro start.

I'm saying this slightly tongue-in-cheek. Of course he's a slimy ******* that has to go though. Won't happen for a while, unfortunately. There's still plenty more money to be had before he's forced out.

Is the UCI a marketing organization for people in the cycling business or a union of bike racers?

That's my rhetorical question for the day.
 
MarkvW said:
Is the UCI a marketing organization for people in the cycling business or a union of bike racers?

That's my rhetorical question for the day.

Definitely NOT a union of bike racers. They are getting the short end of the deal.

Veloclinic posted something quite thought provoking:

besides the submodest income

what gain

from these national fed positions

could

out value

ethics n common decency


http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/

What gain is there regardless of ethics? I know in the U.S. board members were hired as consultants for far-off events. I have a hard time believing anyone besides Hein and Pat are richer. And they are far richer for being inside the IOC's city selection process, not so much cycling. The whole thing is so hidden it's impossible to know.
 
No marketing organization would create a bunch of zany rules that its 'customers' must adhere to that are diametrically opposed to what its 'customers' actually do and what equipment they actually use.

No marketing organization would create structure and organization to allow some customers to cheat.

And on, and on.

Dave.
 
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Spill the beans Lance. Come on.

Tygart told The Associated Press that "Armstrong led us to believe - during the course of our interaction with him - that he had evidence of their complicity in this situation."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CYC_TYGART_ARMSTRONG?SECTION=HOME&SITE=AP&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

UCI president Pat McQuaid had described Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis, who testified against Armstrong, as "scumbags" after the UCI had ratified the USADA's decision to strip Armstrong of his seven Tour titles last October.

"It sends a strong and frightening message to others: you'd better not come forward," Tygart said.

It is time for those who love the sport to finally know the whole truth, Tygart added.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013...O0Q120130425?feedName=sportsNews&feedType=RSS
 
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Basecase said:

Moran revealed today that he had contacted Cycling Ireland to raise his concerns, though he did not say exactly what procedures he believed had been deviated from.

One source described the issue as “a technicality” while another termed it “housekeeping, or where the rules for holding meetings may not have been rigidly stuck to”.

Moran said when raising his concerns with Cycling Ireland about the validity of the meeting, and thus the validity of the nomination for McQuaid approved at it, he once again pushed the federation to put McQuaid’s nomination to an EGM.

He believes Cycling Ireland is taking advice on the legal standing of the board meeting. If the legal advice concurs that the meeting was invalid, Cycling Ireland could simply reconvene another board meeting and vote again.

Cycling Ireland was not available tonight to comment. Efforts by stickybottle to contact the federation were not made until late tonight.

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-...questions-legality-of-pat-mcquaid-nomination/

MarkvW said:
Looks like Lance is shopping his story about the corrupt UCI and nobody is buying. Lance is much too little and too late to the snitch party. Come on Lance! Give us some Ferrari!

If he comes forward or not, my opinion on him won't change on him one bit. I only want it for the sport going forward and whether we like it or not, Armstrong is the one who could do the most damage to McQuaid and Verbruggen. So if it means the removal of them two, then I have no problem with him dishing all the dirt out in the open. Tygart's comments today were a nice tactic to put the focus back on Armstrong and say it's all in his hands to influence this.
 
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86TDFWinner said:
We should all form a sing-along here for our good friend Pat:

"Na na na na...na na na na hey hey hey...":D There's always McDonalds
i understand the reaction as it reverberates with my own emotion, but logically and practically speaking, that tygart's last statement was little more than an indirect facility to keep the light on the uci. it is hardly questionable (using common sense and the elementary known facts) the uci was front and center of the armstrong complicity. however, the tygart's statement was smart PR, certainly it was NOT a legal pedigree evidence to act upon, as everyone familiar with armstrong's modus operandi (including tygart himself !) would have realized armstrog would try to leverage and spin anything to get in the driver's seat during those usada preliminary contacts...

armstrong was outplayed each and every time he threw a gauntlet to tygart...the smarter tygart imo continued the run up with that statement but this time trying to influence the ugly phat's election.
 
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Tygart is such a masterful tactician ...speaks at the right time, right tones...it looks to me like he's building something and I think he'd love to give McQuaid just enough rope to hang himself. Wouldn't it be great if Tygart had some serious info and just let McQ blab on and on...

But in the end I can't find myself getting too optimistic about Pat McQauid and the rest of the clowns removal. These guys have survived everything short of murder and still they exist. I seriously don't know what it would take to change things if it hasn't happened already
 
python said:
i understand the reaction as it reverberates with my own emotion, but logically and practically speaking, that tygart's last statement was little more than an indirect facility to keep the light on the uci. it is hardly questionable (using common sense and the elementary known facts) the uci was front and center of the armstrong complicity. however, the tygart's statement was smart PR, certainly it was NOT a legal pedigree evidence to act upon, as everyone familiar with armstrong's modus operandi (including tygart himself !) would have realized armstrog would try to leverage and spin anything to get in the driver's seat during those usada preliminary contacts...

armstrong was outplayed each and every time he threw a gauntlet to tygart...the smarter tygart imo continued the run up with that statement but this time trying to influence the ugly phat's election.

Tygart is kicking **** because his people collected so much evidence that Armstrong had nowhere left to squirm. It was a great team effort.
 
Hahaha, that's a hilarious argument:

“No attempt by Travis Tygart to rewrite history will change the fact that USADA failed to catch Lance Armstrong having tested him just 49 times during his career. The UCI by comparison tested Armstrong 189 times.”

Translation: "We are four times as prolifically incompetent as the USADA, you can't blame us for not catching him!"

:D