"another interesting piece I found on the UCI and president Pat McQuaid " Thread

[Race Radio]

The multiple sources of confirmation that you hinted at. None of these supposed sources of confirmation were mentioned, nor even hinted at by Velonews.

Did you read the article?

Plant confirmed with VeloNews that the points in the leaked summary were the same points he had put forth in Norway. Another anonymous source, familiar with the dossier, also confirmed the legitimacy of the summary.

 

[MarkvW]

Protecting your sources is standard journalistic practice.

Right, but if you have a confidential source, you say you have a confidential source. You don't say that you have an anonymous source--unless you mean that you have an anonymous source.

 

[Race Radio]

Right, but if you have a confidential source, you say you have a confidential source. You don't say that you have an anonymous source--unless you mean that you have an anonymous source.

You didn't read the article did you?

 

[MarkvW]

what did they hold back? they published the entire document

I can't know what they held back, because the leaker is ANONYMOUS!

 

[MarkvW]

You didn't read the article did you?

Leave out the personal stuff, Race Radio. I don't need your baiting today.

 

[Taxus4a]

There is a reason the complete dossier was not handed over to the ethics committee

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...reason-McQuaid-dossier-wasnt-handed-over.aspx

I could believe that, but talks about the past... I didnt understand a message before translate it and I though Garmin was involved...I see no

 

[gooner]

Come forward Lance. Interview in The Telegraph.

[McQuaid said he would welcome Armstrong’s involvement, having admitted that he had been wrong to say the American had no place in cycling. “It will be his initiative to decide whether he wants to come or not because most people believe at this moment in time that he hasn’t come out with the full truth.”

Would McQuaid resign if Armstrong or others produced compelling evidence against him? “Of course, I would, yeah, naturally – but I don’t believe that to be the case.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-over-corruption-allegations-against-him.html

 

[Berzin]

Leave out the personal stuff, Race Radio. I don't need your baiting today.

What are you talking about, "personal stuff"? First of all, given your own collective body of work on this site, you have a lot of nerve.

Next time don't publicly accuse another poster of baiting, especially if he isn't engaging in said activity. If you have a complaint, you know which proper channels are to be navigated to handle the situation.

Everyone else, carry on and keep it topic-specific. Leave the personal stuff for pm's.

I can't know what they held back, because the leaker is ANONYMOUS!

You're just going to have to wait for this information to become public. Just because it isn't out yet does not mean it's made-up, if that's what you're insinuating.

And by made-up I mean like that crap written in Humo Magazine about an "anonymous" team insider who said Contador was a doper yet this information was never revealed by the proper authorities/governing bodies as having an ounce of truth. Wanna know why? Because the story was fabricated.

 

[MarkvW]

What are you talking about, "personal stuff"? First of all, given your own collective body of work on this site, you have a lot of nerve.

Next time don't publicly accuse another poster of baiting, especially if he isn't engaging in said activity. If you have a complaint, you know which proper channels are to be navigated to handle the situation.

Everyone else, carry on and keep it topic-specific. Leave the personal stuff for pm's.




You're just going to have to wait for this information to become public. Just because it isn't out yet does not mean it's made-up, if that's what you're insinuating.

And by made-up I mean like that crap written in Humo Magazine about an "anonymous" team insider who said Contador was a doper yet this information was never revealed by the proper authorities/governing bodies as having an ounce of truth. Wanna know why? Because the story was fabricated.

Have you even read the article?

 

[sniper]

Maybe the UCI ethics commission cannot be trusted. The commission is made up of 3 members : Pieter Zevenbergen (NED), Peter Barth (GER), Noemi Cantele (ITA).

Zevenbergen was involved in backing Verbruggen in a shady election maneuver in 2005.
CN 09-05-2005

Quote: Pieter Zevenbergen, member of the UCI Management Committee and president of the UCI Ethics Commission, therefore knew of Verbruggen's renewed bid for his function as head of the UCI when he hosted the meeting of the Ethics Commission on Friday, August 19. "At the sitting," Schenk said yesterday, "Chairman Zevenbergen said nothing about the so-called fourth candidate. How can we trust a Commission which conceals that sort of important information on purpose?"

Not surprisingly he’s still on the ethics commission today. It makes little sense to give the report to a member of the old boys club. Better to give the info to the authorities.

There is a reason the complete dossier was not handed over to the ethics committee

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...reason-McQuaid-dossier-wasnt-handed-over.aspx

interesting.
So at least one member of the ethics commission is compromised (Zevenbergen) as is this certain lawyer working for (but apparently not part of) the ethics commission.
And what is Noemi Cantele doing in that commission anyway? She's per definition compromised as she is still racing.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/sep/11/lance-armstrong-alex-gibney-armstrong-lie-review-toronto

, we get damning evidence of deception in the highest ranks of the UCI. Armstrong himself admits there were "hundreds" of conversations with UCI officials where he was warned his drug tests were "flying too close to the sun". UCI head Hein Verbruggen comes off particularly badly, as Gibney implies a conspiracy designed to protect the sport's most wildly lucrative icon.

 

[Race Radio]

Have you even read the article?

If you read the article you will see that Velonews talked directly to Plant, who confirmed the content. He is not anonymous as he is one of the people who organized the dossier. He would know it's contents.

You are welcome to pretend Velonews has not checked it's sources but the fact is they checked with both sides, Plant and Fat Pat

 

[nevada]

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/sep/11/lance-armstrong-alex-gibney-armstrong-lie-review-toronto

I thought Armstrong was a liar ?

 

[Race Radio]

I thought Armstrong was a liar ?

Good thing others have backed up his claims of special treatment so we do not have to go on his word alone

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/sep/11/lance-armstrong-alex-gibney-armstrong-lie-review-toronto

we get damning evidence of deception in the highest ranks of the UCI. Armstrong himself admits there were "hundreds" of conversations with UCI officials where he was warned his drug tests were "flying too close to the sun". UCI head Hein Verbruggen comes off particularly badly, as Gibney implies a conspiracy designed to protect the sport's most wildly lucrative icon.

That was a very interesting point in the movie. It is illogical that he had that many conversations himself. It seemed more logical that he was referring to himself and other pro cyclists. Yet, he did not qualify the statement to extend it to others and left the impression he was speaking only about himself.

I thought Armstrong was a liar ?

He is.

Would it be surprising that he would try an embellish the truth, and claim to have done more than he actually did? Or, would that be more consistent with not giving back the Bronze medal? That doesn't mean there weren't many such conversations, of course. And, as RR notes, we already have separate testimony about the TdS tip-off.

Do you really believe he had hundreds of conversations on specific drug tests? Remember, he didn't really ever have the 500 tests he claims.

He probably did have hundreds of conversations, though, to go along with the hundreds of thousands in pay-offs. Conversations and amounts that he couldn't recall during his SCA deposition.

Too bad he didn't try and come clean on that. Yet.

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

14 EU feds to vote for Cookson

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...n-Cycling-Union-vote-setback-for-McQuaid.aspx

 

[LaFlorecita]

Sickening. I just hope we won't have to wait as long for Cookson to get kicked out as we did with McQuaid.

 

[gooner]

We still have no idea what Pat is being paid.

http://keirradnedge.com/2013/09/17/...ressure-building-in-cyclings-election-battle/

 

[D-Queued]

We still have no idea what Pat is being paid.

http://keirradnedge.com/2013/09/17/...ressure-building-in-cyclings-election-battle/

Astounding.

Would never happen in the corporate world. If it did, the BOD would resign. They would have to given their liability exposure.

Secret pay? What next?

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-backtracks-on-lance-armstrong-statement

McQuaid is spinning so hard he is going to throw up

"We tested Armstrong over 200 times between 1998 and 2005. USADA tested 12 times and WADA only three times. Over half of the year, Armstrong resided in the United States and was their responsibility.

Wow, just wow. He of course knows that the UCI was the last Fed to sign the WADA code. USADA/WADA only tested Lance for 6 months of his first career. Pat must not realize that 6 months is not equal to 7 years

"In the nineties young athletes died of EPO. We introduced the hematocrit values to protect the riders. We were also the only sports federation to embrace the biological passport.”

The athletes supposedly died in 1990.....The UCI did not introduce the 50% rule for 7 years.

WADA funded the research for the Biopassport and pushed the UCI for years to adapt it. To pretend it was a UCI idea is absurd

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

We still have no idea what Pat is being paid.

http://keirradnedge.com/2013/09/17/...ressure-building-in-cyclings-election-battle/

I would guess there are multiple streams of income attached to his position that wuld go away if he is ousted.

UCI package: my guess is 250-300 k Euro

 

[131313]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-backtracks-on-lance-armstrong-statement

Wow, just wow. He of course knows that the UCI was the last Fed to sign the WADA code. USADA/WADA only tested Lance for 6 months of his first career. Pat must not realize that 6 months is not equal to 7 years

And yet again another massive fail from Cyclingnews' "journalists" in not pointing out this massively overlooked detail... When someone makes that big an attempt to obfuscate the truth, the actual details need to be included. Why let a statement like that go unchallenged?

 

[ElChingon]

And yet again another massive fail from Cyclingnews' "journalists" in not pointing out this massively overlooked detail... When someone makes that big an attempt to obfuscate the truth, the actual details need to be included. Why let a statement like that go unchallenged?

McQuack states he can quickly reunify cycling then there is no question why it hasn't already been done if he can do it so quickly, what's the hold up on this such easily done task?

Conclusion, he can't quickly reunify cycling, lets flash back how easily he removed race radios and what the hell happened to the World Tour Jersey? McQuack is just trolling to stay in the headlines, bu bye McQuack.

 

[sniper]

And yet again another massive fail from Cyclingnews' "journalists" in not pointing out this massively overlooked detail... When someone makes that big an attempt to obfuscate the truth, the actual details need to be included. Why let a statement like that go unchallenged?

THIS

benson et al. take note please.

 

[Afrank]

McQuack states he can quickly trunify cycling then there is no question why it hasn't already been done if he can do it so quickly, what's the hold up on this such easily done task?

Conclusion, he can't quickly reunify cycling, lets flash back how easily he removed race radios and what the hell happened to the World Tour Jersey? McQuack is just trolling to stay in the headlines, bu bye McQuack.

Yep, he definitely is, he's on the way out and he knows it. Just trolling in a desperate attempt keep himself looking relevant and to try to save himself. Cookson may not be the solution to cycling's problems, but it'll be nice to finally be done with McQuaid.