Appreciation/Depreciation Depreciation Thread

[ElChingon]

I think the place for emotional response is during/immediately after a race but now it seems like it is mandatory at any point of discussion. I think we all make our own judgements whilst watching cycling but I would prefer to be reserved about expressing such feelings. What is important is what happened and why it happened, not how we feel about it.

Here, you say You think the place for emotional response is during/immediately after the race which is the race threads. Then you say you keep your own opinion to yourself and don't care for peoples feeling for what happened. Hence my statement that you want everything in the race threads and could care less about the feelings (aka depreciation/appreciation) threads. Which leads me to my then don't read threads you don't like option.

How did you get that out of my post?

See above.

Can't we can discuss everything and anything without reverting to basic +1/-1?

Obviously you are forgetting this is a forum about cycling and all its happenings which include the forum members feelings or is there some small type exceptions about this in the rules no one actually reads when joining?

Most appreciation/depreciation threads are a result of what happened the day before on the road, so that is why I made that particular link.

This is called discussion, yea its get lame sometimes but it is what it is and again the purpose of the forum. If it is not then there needs to be a general announcement and then cease those options in the forum.

Dancing around it like all the mods are, with we're gonna do this and that is just going to make your forum self implode on itself which seems what all the overly busy mods really want, with a very few exceptions. Maybe its time to get Dan into this and decide what you really want and what he wants and what the company wants and not what the mods are annoyed about this week? Don't forget the precious sponsors I'm sure their ad tracker data will have a word.

 

[Ferminal]

Here, you say You think the place for emotional response is during/immediately after the race which is the race threads. Then you say you keep your own opinion to yourself and don't care for peoples feeling for what happened. Hence my statement that you want everything in the race threads and could care less about the feelings (aka depreciation/appreciation) threads. (1) Which leads me to my then don't read threads you don't like option.

See above.

(2) Obviously you are forgetting this is a forum about cycling and all its happenings which include the forum members feelings or is there some small type exceptions about this in the rules no one actually reads when joining?

This is called discussion, yea its get lame sometimes but it is what it is and again the purpose of the forum. If it is not then there needs to be a general announcement and then cease those options in the forum.

Dancing around it like all the mods are, with we're gonna do this and that is just going to make your forum self implode on itself which seems what all the overly busy mods really want, with a very few exceptions. Maybe its time to get Dan into this and decide what you really want and what he wants and what the company wants and not what the mods are annoyed about this week? Don't forget the precious sponsors I'm sure their ad tracker data will have a word.

1: I don't, hence my problem.

2: Of course it's not in the rules, how can you enforce a certain quality of discussion?

What I'm saying has nothing to do with be being a mod, it my opinion on what threads I prefer. Of course I'm not going to use my powers as a mod to somehow enforce my view (what do you think I am?) I'm simply expressing my opinion of these threads, like the posters above me, in the hope that the collective depreciation ( ) of them may result in a drift away from that style. The community is responsible for content - even if I did care about the forum from an FP point of view, there's nothing you could really do which wouldn't make things worse. For all I know the emotional threads probably generate more activity than the analytical ones and at the end of the day it's quantity not quality which matters to them.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Do we really need a separate thread for each and every opinion of each and every rider??

What is this forum turning into?

It feels like one big argument/debate about personal prefs....and a lot of slinging cr@p about.

I hear ya, I made a appreciation threads appreciation thread during the Tour last year in ridicule of it all, unfortunately the mods closed it

I find people are so eager to make threads like it is some achievement.

 

[spalco]

I don't think you need both an appreciation and a depreciation thread for a single rider, especially since the discussion regularly seems to be almost identical in both, but those threads do make sense imo since otherwise they derail the actual race threads. [eta: and also, sometimes there's stuff to discuss that doesn't directly connect to any specific race that's going on at that moment]

If a rider is just a one-hit-wonder and doesn't attract long-term interest his thread will die down anyway.

 

[Ripper]

I think a rider based thread is good. As some have noted, without this type of thread, race threads can get derailed quite easily.

I also agree that they should get merged, as both the appreciation and depreciation tend to get posted in both threads!

 

[Boeing]

Lets reserve them only for Wiggins and Evans

 

[BroDeal]

Lets reserve them only for Wiggins and Evans

Everything eles can go into the generic "Appreciation-depreciation thread for the rider who (just won | might win | almost won) that (recent | ongoing | upcoming) race".

It could rival the Armstrong thread.

 

[RedheadDane]

and don't give me the old "i'm a woman it is bilogically impossible for me to grow cojones" excuse. it's getting old.

"I'm a woman it is biologically impossible for me to grow cojones!"


I'll be serious now!
I agree that the threads should be merged so it's one thread per rider. As several people have already mentioned the same things do tend to be said in both thread-types.

Another point is that if people only wrote appreciation stuff in the appreciation threads and depreciation stuff in the depreciation threads it really wouldn't be much of a debate, would it?
In one thread it was simply be people going "Yeah this guy is great! " While in the other it would be people going "Yeah this guy is awful! "

 

[pedaling squares]

Let's face it, this forum is populated by many people who are more interested in teen idol adulation than how a rider performs on the bike or, God forbid, the race itself. It's good to be a fan and all, but it would be nice to read a post or two about cycling. It's a sad state when you have to go to the clinic to ditch the trolls and find the intelligent posts.

This sums up half of the threads in the Pro Racing section:

 

[usedtobefast]

Let's face it, this forum is populated by many people who are more interested in teen idol adulation than how a rider performs on the bike or, God forbid, the race itself. It's good to be a fan and all, but it would be nice to read a post or two about cycling. It's a sad state when you have to go to the clinic to ditch the trolls and find the intelligent posts.

This sums up half of the threads in the Pro Racing section:

a severe lack of knowledge,severe.

 

[180mmCrank]

AND I suspct that this reflects a reality about people who enjoy cycling - some folk no a lot more about what they are watching than others.

The only thing I would add is that there was a time when all of us knew less than we do now. I guess the difference is we maybe didn't have the interweb to broadcast our less than well formed opinions and thoughts.

T

 

[pedaling squares]

Knowledge of the sport is not the point, at least it shouldn't be. We're posting on a web forum, not being paid to comment on a tv broadcast. It's just the mind-numbing quantity of threads and posts that say nothing more than "I like rider X so rider X rocks (yay - appreciate - smiley face) and rider Y is rider X's rival so rider Y sucks (boo - depreciate - frowny face)". It's like the people who still think Wayne's World and Bart Simpson expressions are funny. It got old, fast.

Someone to write "Eat my shorts" in 3, 2, 1...

 

[RedheadDane]

Let's face it, this forum is populated by many people who are more interested in teen idol adulation than how a rider performs on the bike or, God forbid, the race itself. It's good to be a fan and all, but it would be nice to read a post or two about cycling. It's a sad state when you have to go to the clinic to ditch the trolls and find the intelligent posts.

Thinking about it I might be the most illoyal fan there is! Because I basically like everybody!
Who I cheer for in a particular situation may vary, not alway according to merrits.

 

[Havetts]

Please just do something about this.. its becoming ****ing ridiculous

 

[Caruut]

Knowledge of the sport is not the point, at least it shouldn't be. We're posting on a web forum, not being paid to comment on a tv broadcast. It's just the mind-numbing quantity of threads and posts that say nothing more than "I like rider X so rider X rocks (yay - appreciate - smiley face) and rider Y is rider X's rival so rider Y sucks (boo - depreciate - frowny face)". It's like the people who still think Wayne's World and Bart Simpson expressions are funny. It got old, fast.

Someone to write "Eat my shorts" in 3, 2, 1...

This is exactly why the A/D threads are great. All that inane babble has a proper place to go, rather than clogging up the rest of the forum. Given your attitude on the topic, I would say that you know when you click on a "fan-thread", that you are probably not going to like what you read. Don't click on it then. If you keep choosing to read things you know you don't want to read, I really don't think you have anyone to blame but yourself.

In proper threads they can be a little irritating, but the mods are starting to move towards herding those posts away from other threads. I don't really see the issue, to be honest.

 

[Fetisoff]

This is exactly why the A/D threads are great. All that inane babble has a proper place to go, rather than clogging up the rest of the forum. Given your attitude on the topic, I would say that you know when you click on a "fan-thread", that you are probably not going to like what you read. Don't click on it then. If you keep choosing to read things you know you don't want to read, I really don't think you have anyone to blame but yourself.

In proper threads they can be a little irritating, but the mods are starting to move towards herding those posts away from other threads. I don't really see the issue, to be honest.

Well, it seems that right now, while it's a "slow period" racing wise these threads are really taking over, and there's not much else going on. I guess the alternative is a hundred almost identical threads i.e. Poll: Who will win stage x in the TDF, or Poll: Who's a better TimeTrialist(climber, sprinter) for the tour X or Y, so either way there won't be much in terms of serious discussion.

Please just do something about this.. its becoming ****ing ridiculous

Tend to agree, the Bruynell one is really too much now

 

[Roude Leiw]

Tend to agree, the Bruynell one is really too much now

seconded, it is getting silly

 

[will10]

There is plenty of depreciation going on in the appreciation threads and vice versa. Get 'em merged

 

[Fetisoff]

I'm starting to wonder if we have to get this to the point of absurdness for some action on this issue to take place.

What's today? Tour of Luxembour prologue? I think someone should make an appreciation thread for the winner of it, no matter who that will be

 

[Havetts]

Time Trial Wheel appreciation thread!

 

[Caruut]

Well, it seems that right now, while it's a "slow period" racing wise these threads are really taking over, and there's not much else going on. I guess the alternative is a hundred almost identical threads i.e. Poll: Who will win stage x in the TDF, or Poll: Who's a better TimeTrialist(climber, sprinter) for the tour X or Y, so either way there won't be much in terms of serious discussion.

Tend to agree, the Bruynell one is really too much now

I think the principle that interesting threads are going to surface while the uninteresting ones die away holds. As soon as people have some racing to talk about, these threads will quickly fade back to obscurity.

 

[Fetisoff]

I think the principle that interesting threads are going to surface while the uninteresting ones die away holds. As soon as people have some racing to talk about, these threads will quickly fade back to obscurity.

Meh, maybe you're right. I mean eventually even that 6000+ (or whatever) reply Armstrong thread went into the land of the forgotten. So maybe once the tour starts at the latest, those threads will go away (as we will probably have a ton of stupid tour related threads)

 

[Polish]

Meh, maybe you're right. I mean eventually even that 6000+ (or whatever) reply Armstrong thread went into the land of the forgotten. So maybe once the tour starts at the latest, those threads will go away (as we will probably have a ton of stupid tour related threads)

The 7000 post Armstrong thread in the Pro Cycling section faded after it was locked. Still is locked sigh.

And the 10,000+ post Armstrong thread in the Clinic section faded after it too was locked. Sigh again.

On the bright side, the RadioShack-Nissan-Trek thread in the Pro Cycling section is among the most popular ever in that section. And in the Clinic, there are at least 10 Armstrong related threads that are alive and kicking.

 

[Afrank]

I'm starting to wonder if we have to get this to the point of absurdness for some action on this issue to take place.

What's today? Tour of Luxembour prologue? I think someone should make an appreciation thread for the winner of it, no matter who that will be

Are you suggesting we fill the forum with appreciation/depreciation threads on the most pointless things we can think of? Because I think thats a great idea
depreciation thread for mechanics who don't change the wheel fast enough.

In all seriousness though, is there anything the mods can do about these threads, because they are really getting annoying.

 

[Fetisoff]

The 7000 post Armstrong thread in the Pro Cycling section faded after it was locked. Still is locked sigh.

And the 10,000+ post Armstrong thread in the Clinic section faded after it too was locked. Sigh again.

On the bright side, the RadioShack-Nissan-Trek thread in the Pro Cycling section is among the most popular ever in that section. And in the Clinic, there are at least 10 Armstrong related threads that are alive and kicking.

Didn't realize those were locked, lol. Radioshack thread is good, yeah. We've already had a conversation on how many pages will it have before the TDF starts and after it's done somewhere.