Are WADA fit to 'police' doping in sport

[Benotti69]

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Doesn't matter, they still would have submitted negative doping controls. These athletes know they would be tested at the Olympics and prepared accordingly, only the insanely stupid and incredibly desperate athletes would have given suspect samples.

Seriously, does anyone think that there would be any positive tests in the 50% of the athletes that weren't tested? The athletes certainly weren't clean, they were just prepared....

That would be the plan to have all the testable doping done before the games, but some will be behind in their preparation due to injury and other reasons, so would be trying to take stuff at the games to get the max from their performances.

As for restests. Well they dont have much to retest. And then was it handled properly? Will it stored properly in Rio?

 

[sniper]

I assume antidoping at the London games was similarly crappy.
Many athletes in Rio will have known how easy it is to get round the testing and will have had little deterrent to dope up during the games.

 

[Irondan]

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I assume antidoping at the London games was similarly crappy.
Many athletes in Rio will have known how easy it is to get round the testing and will have had little deterrent to dope up during the games.

Of course it was! Just look at the ******* Cycling Team....

 

[Catwhoorg]

2012 report

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA-IO-Report-OG-London-2012.pdf

It was much better than Rio, but some of the same issues where raised. (Notably whereabouts for testing in the village/venues can be difficult)

 

[Zebadeedee]

From today's Guardian, the Lone Ranger speaks out against the sham that is WADA:-

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/22/ioc-world-anti-doping-agency-russia-rio-games

 

[sniper]

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From today's Guardian, the Lone Ranger speaks out against the sham that is WADA:-

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/22/ioc-world-anti-doping-agency-russia-rio-games

Good from Tygart. Let's hope he doesn't stop there.

 

[BullsFan22]

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From today's Guardian, the Lone Ranger speaks out against the sham that is WADA:-

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/22/ioc-world-anti-doping-agency-russia-rio-games

Good from Tygart. Let's hope he doesn't stop there.

I don't trust Tygart either. Only reason he got involved in the Armstrong case was because of legal issues. Add to the fact that it took busted dopers like Hamilton and Landis to get ol' Trav out of his comfy chair. I bet if the Russians were entirely banned from Rio, he wouldn't say a word. If any of his prior interviews/articles (i.e. NYT from this summer) are any indication, the guy has a future in politics, because that's all this is. He gets all uppity when the TUE joke is finally exposed, but wants certain nations banned, entirely. Double standards. Wonder what he has to say about the IOC, USOC and USATF, among others, colluding to wipe off positive tests from hundreds of American athletes from the mid to late 80's to the early 2000's. Why was the US allowed to compete in subsequent worlds/olympics? Why was Atlanta allowed to host the Olympics? Or Salt Lake City, for that matter? China won a record haul of medals at their HOME games in Beijing. Canada did the same in Vancouver. Great Britain as well in London, but one of the quotes from one of the NYT articles regarding Russia, was something like this 'Russia won the most medals in Sochi, beating the United States...' Obviously not the exact quote, but to me it reads like 'how dare the Russians win more medals than the Americans at the Olympics?!?'

 

[sniper]

All totally fair points. I don't trust him either and I think he's compromised.
That said, I tend to think (or hope) he's a tad bit less compromised/corrupted than some of the 'antidoping' people at UKAD, WADA and UCI and the likes.
In any case I liked what he said here in this link provided by zebadeedee; you don't often hear somebody in his position say that. So I'll give him some credit for that. But it won't mean anything if he stops here.

 

[yaco]

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From today's Guardian, the Lone Ranger speaks out against the sham that is WADA:-

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/22/ioc-world-anti-doping-agency-russia-rio-games

Good from Tygart. Let's hope he doesn't stop there.

I don't trust Tygart either. Only reason he got involved in the Armstrong case was because of legal issues. Add to the fact that it took busted dopers like Hamilton and Landis to get ol' Trav out of his comfy chair. I bet if the Russians were entirely banned from Rio, he wouldn't say a word. If any of his prior interviews/articles (i.e. NYT from this summer) are any indication, the guy has a future in politics, because that's all this is. He gets all uppity when the TUE joke is finally exposed, but wants certain nations banned, entirely. Double standards. Wonder what he has to say about the IOC, USOC and USATF, among others, colluding to wipe off positive tests from hundreds of American athletes from the mid to late 80's to the early 2000's. Why was the US allowed to compete in subsequent worlds/olympics? Why was Atlanta allowed to host the Olympics? Or Salt Lake City, for that matter? China won a record haul of medals at their HOME games in Beijing. Canada did the same in Vancouver. Great Britain as well in London, but one of the quotes from one of the NYT articles regarding Russia, was something like this 'Russia won the most medals in Sochi, beating the United States...' Obviously not the exact quote, but to me it reads like 'how dare the Russians win more medals than the Americans at the Olympics?!?'

Nailed it with your post - America has always been good at nailing other countries - Still chuckle how the FBI/Swiss probe into corruption at FIFA conveniently started a few years after the 1994 World Cup - It's like corruption at FIFA only started in the last 20 years - America has always looked after their own athletes/officials etc.

 

[sniper]

Last week at the WADA meeting Seppelt confronted Reedie with the newly revealed IAAF cover ups of Russian positives.
Reedie denied in front of the camera knowing anything about it.
Only problem is, Seppelt has an email that shows Reedie did in fact know about it, already in 2014.
Liar liar pants on fire.

ow, and what did Reedie do with the information in 2014? He passed it on to...the IAAF ethics committee.
Nothing else.

 

[fmk_RoI]

WRT WADA's ability to police doping: two fights on the horizon are worth considering.

The first is the IOC's attempt to bring anti-doping back into the Olympic family with no pesky outside interference. This is already going on and WADA are already trying to push back against it.

The second is the anti-doping community's ability to withstand a Trump presidency: how much of a danger does the president-elect present?

Both questions were put to Mark Johnson, plugging his new book Spitting in the Soup. On WADA Vs IOC, he basically said yes, there's reason to worry, but equally reason to be hopeful: the inherent conflicts of interest in the current system are not insurmountable. On the Trump question, though, he offered this:

While we don't know if Trump cares about Olympic sport, he did once sponsor a major professional cycling stage race, and he has repeatedly stated his fondness for Putin, a man whose government organized a massive Olympic doping program. If Trump were to see Olympic victory as an avenue for securing his personal, political, and economic goals - or if another nation mocked Trump and his Olympic team with a well-crafted Twitter insult - USOC executives might expect a call or barbed Tweet from the White House. It's not a stretch to imagine that the thin-skinned American president, equipped with a fluid disregard for right and wrong and backed by a national mandate that orthodox boundaries are for losers, might pressure Olympic teams to discard their commitment to clean sport in the interest of avenging a personal aggrievement or securing patriotic greatness.

The whole interview is here, most of it is stuff you all probably know anyway. But the Trump question is worth thinking about.

 

[BullsFan22]

I am just curious to see as to who really funds WADA and the exact amount of those funds. I am also curious to see the number of TUE's given out, the amount of tests per athlete, per sport, per country, per year, month, week, etc.

 

[thehog]

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WRT WADA's ability to police doping: two fights on the horizon are worth considering.

The first is the IOC's attempt to bring anti-doping back into the Olympic family with no pesky outside interference. This is already going on and WADA are already trying to push back against it.

The second is the anti-doping community's ability to withstand a Trump presidency: how much of a danger does the president-elect present?

Both questions were put to Mark Johnson, plugging his new book Spitting in the Soup. On WADA Vs IOC, he basically said yes, there's reason to worry, but equally reason to be hopeful: the inherent conflicts of interest in the current system are not insurmountable. On the Trump question, though, he offered this:

While we don't know if Trump cares about Olympic sport, he did once sponsor a major professional cycling stage race, and he has repeatedly stated his fondness for Putin, a man whose government organized a massive Olympic doping program. If Trump were to see Olympic victory as an avenue for securing his personal, political, and economic goals - or if another nation mocked Trump and his Olympic team with a well-crafted Twitter insult - USOC executives might expect a call or barbed Tweet from the White House. It's not a stretch to imagine that the thin-skinned American president, equipped with a fluid disregard for right and wrong and backed by a national mandate that orthodox boundaries are for losers, might pressure Olympic teams to discard their commitment to clean sport in the interest of avenging a personal aggrievement or securing patriotic greatness.

The whole interview is here, most of it is stuff you all probably know anyway. But the Trump question is worth thinking about.

I never understand this entire "state sponsored" issue; of course Russia States sponsors their doping because its within their ideology too do it in that way. Traditional capitalist Western countries will dope from teams, sports institutes and sponsor groups like Nike. Its still doping not matter which way you look at it.

Juniors in Italy, France, China, Russia, UK are all faced with the same pressure to dope, it just comes from different sources.

 

[sniper]

Pretty spot on hog

 

[BullsFan22]

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WRT WADA's ability to police doping: two fights on the horizon are worth considering.

The first is the IOC's attempt to bring anti-doping back into the Olympic family with no pesky outside interference. This is already going on and WADA are already trying to push back against it.

The second is the anti-doping community's ability to withstand a Trump presidency: how much of a danger does the president-elect present?

Both questions were put to Mark Johnson, plugging his new book Spitting in the Soup. On WADA Vs IOC, he basically said yes, there's reason to worry, but equally reason to be hopeful: the inherent conflicts of interest in the current system are not insurmountable. On the Trump question, though, he offered this:

While we don't know if Trump cares about Olympic sport, he did once sponsor a major professional cycling stage race, and he has repeatedly stated his fondness for Putin, a man whose government organized a massive Olympic doping program. If Trump were to see Olympic victory as an avenue for securing his personal, political, and economic goals - or if another nation mocked Trump and his Olympic team with a well-crafted Twitter insult - USOC executives might expect a call or barbed Tweet from the White House. It's not a stretch to imagine that the thin-skinned American president, equipped with a fluid disregard for right and wrong and backed by a national mandate that orthodox boundaries are for losers, might pressure Olympic teams to discard their commitment to clean sport in the interest of avenging a personal aggrievement or securing patriotic greatness.

The whole interview is here, most of it is stuff you all probably know anyway. But the Trump question is worth thinking about.

I never understand this entire "state sponsored" issue; of course Russia States sponsors their doping because its within their ideology too do it in that way. Traditional capitalist Western countries will dope from teams, sports institutes and sponsor groups like Nike. Its still doping not matter which way you look at it.

Juniors in Italy, France, China, Russia, UK are all faced with the same pressure to dope, it just comes from different sources.

Exactly. I think people would be surprised to hear that quite a few Western European governments 'sponsor' their federations. It doesn't necessarily mean they personally dope athletes, it just means they are sponsoring the federations and technically should know what's going on. They are the ones that hire and fire coaching staffs, doctors, etc. The Norwegians and the Olympiatoppen is a great example.

 

[fmk_RoI]

I am just curious to see as to who really funds WADA and the exact amount of those funds. I am also curious to see the number of TUE's given out, the amount of tests per athlete, per sport, per country, per year, month, week, etc.

You can't be all thst curious if you haven't already looked at WADA's published and easily accessed data. Maybe you just want to be spoonfed?

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Juniors in Italy, France, China, Russia, UK are all faced with the same pressure to dope, it just comes from different sources.

Different sources being not (directly) the state, so not (directly) state sponsored.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Pretty spot on hog

<sigh>

 

[sniper]

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Juniors in Italy, France, China, Russia, UK are all faced with the same pressure to dope, it just comes from different sources.

Different sources being not (directly) the state, so not (directly) state sponsored.

Way to miss the point.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Juniors in Italy, France, China, Russia, UK are all faced with the same pressure to dope, it just comes from different sources.

Different sources being not (directly) the state, so not (directly) state sponsored.

Way to miss the point.

The point being that everyone dopes, everyone facilitates doping, therefore different terms for different types of doping are needless. But, by your perverted logic, so too is any discussion of doping needless, doping is the bleeding obvious. And yet here you are, day after day, peddling peddling peddling.

 

[sniper]

Still butthurt?
You gotta start letting it go.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I am just curious to see as to who really funds WADA and the exact amount of those funds. I am also curious to see the number of TUE's given out, the amount of tests per athlete, per sport, per country, per year, month, week, etc.

You can't be all thst curious if you haven't already looked at WADA's published and easily accessed data. Maybe you just want to be spoonfed?

You could have pointed that out in various different ways without the condescending tone of the spoon-fed comments.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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Juniors in Italy, France, China, Russia, UK are all faced with the same pressure to dope, it just comes from different sources.

Different sources being not (directly) the state, so not (directly) state sponsored.

Way to miss the point.

The point being that everyone dopes, everyone facilitates doping, therefore different terms for different types of doping are needless. But, by your perverted logic, so too is any discussion of doping needless, doping is the bleeding obvious. And yet here you are, day after day, peddling peddling peddling.

Well for the western world most of us get used to the media statement of State run doping programs. Goes back to the good ole days when we could paint the East as the bad guys and the West as the "amateurs" doing it the right way. (just take a look at the Lemond thread that is a direct product of that old school propaganda in my opinion)

There are 2 training camps in the USA for distance running and both are sponsored by major shoe / athletic companies, and both of them are under constant suspicion. For me that is pretty close to being state run doping because those training camps have the blessings of USATandField.

When all of those British athletes popped up and won in the London Olympics there are all types of whispers about how things were done. That is state run doping. They recruited and funded these chosen athletes to medal. The same as the USA. That money goes to doping in my opinion and that makes it look , smell , taste like some state run home cooking.

 

[King Boonen]

I am just curious to see as to who really funds WADA and the exact amount of those funds. I am also curious to see the number of TUE's given out, the amount of tests per athlete, per sport, per country, per year, month, week, etc.

This data is readily available on the WADA website if you are actually interested. It's very easy to find and has been discussed a lot in the clinic in the past:

Testing stats:

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resources/laboratories/anti-doping-testing-figures

Finance reports:

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resources/search?f[0]=field_topic%3A134

Edit: This link seems broken, just go here and click finance

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resources

TUE stats are different as TUEs can be granted by a variety of different bodies and then ratified by the appropriate sporting bodies if necessary. You will have to dig around to find those yourself.

 

[sniper]

What about who funds Wada and how much exactly. Don't think that is disclosed anywhere but do correct me if wrong.