Armstrong Lies

[Dr. Maserati]

'Cause the haters are motivated by something Lance triggers in them. Jealousy? I don't know, but it's painful to hear all their constant whining.

So why do you bother even reading in here if it is so painful for you?

And you know what they say.....the truth hurt's.

 

[Anonymous]

Why the infatuation with Lance? Do you the haters' think Lance cares?

Come on guys and gals it is time to move on to something more positive and for the future good.

You know who will win the big one. Contador.

All these accusations are drivel. Prove it and then I will give you all the time of day.

I doubt that anyone posts here expecting Armstrong to see it, much less care what he thinks. A year ago I spent a fair amount of time siphoning through the news about Lance and posting the positive, cycling-related stuff to a blog. I even had a twitter account named @BloggingLance. But the problem with paying close attention to Lance is that you remember what he said he was going to do, and compare it to what he really does, and after a while you just want to take a shower and get clean.

I stopped blogging during the Tour of California. I stopped reading his and his friends tweets during the Giro. I only read about him when he and Bruyneel pop up in a Google News search about Contador. That happens way too often. If they stop trying to build themselves up by insulting Alberto, I'll gladly forget they exist. But right now they're too dangerous to ignore.

And when Lance comes out and says that he's not going to post his test results online anymore because they cause "silly speculation," that pretty much sets off the alarms that SOMEONE should keep an eye on him.

 

[flicker]

The hap.

I get my information from past history. i COULD CARE ABOUT lances tweets or johanns tweets,taint got time.

I have a stack of Pro Cycling mags from way back. I could/can see where the whole doping things' going.

In the big picture it really doesn't matter.

Just enjoy those riders banging up hills and swiftly and deftly negotiating the descending off camber corners corners and in Belguim and Netherlands inhabiting the sidewalks with pedestrians after missing road furniture and leaping a curb at 60 kph. Enjoy.

By the way Contador and Schleck A. are the future. Contador is unbeatable, why do the Lance haters even bother to speak about the psycotic games, tweets, missing wheels.

Anyone who has competed in sport know the psych games are all a part of it.

Just watch Contador and Schleck A. and who challanges them. Watch the juniors, the u/23 riders the women and support them.

Drop Lance.

 

[Father Jack]

oooh if only we could drop him but as soon as a thread is started along come you and your buddies and make it about HIM.

 

[Anonymous]

Thank you to Cycling News for including the "ignore user" option. It's nice to have a discussion without the anger.

If people don't like a topic, they can stop responding to it, and people won't respond to them, and eventually it drops off the list, and life can move on.

 

[python]

I doubt that anyone posts here expecting Armstrong to see it, much less care what he thinks. A year ago I spent a fair amount of time siphoning through the news about Lance and posting the positive, cycling-related stuff to a blog. I even had a twitter account named @BloggingLance. But the problem with paying close attention to Lance is that you remember what he said he was going to do, and compare it to what he really does, and after a while you just want to take a shower and get clean.

I stopped blogging during the Tour of California. I stopped reading his and his friends tweets during the Giro. I only read about him when he and Bruyneel pop up in a Google News search about Contador. That happens way too often. If they stop trying to build themselves up by insulting Alberto, I'll gladly forget they exist. But right now they're too dangerous to ignore.

And when Lance comes out and says that he's not going to post his test results online anymore because they cause "silly speculation," that pretty much sets off the alarms that SOMEONE should keep an eye on him.

+1.

word! this constant disregard for the elementary collective intelligence and memory is my beef with armstrong and his ilk. are we supposed to be that silly and stupid by his perception if so thats kinda insulting i would think?

 

[guilder]

So why do you bother even reading in here if it is so painful for you?

And you know what they say.....the truth hurt's.

Yeh, fans of pro cycling should stop participating here. It'd be a wake-up call for the haters.

Being ignored hurts more than the truth.

 

[Race Radio]

Yeh, fans of pro cycling should stop participating here. It'd be a wake-up call for the haters.

Being ignored hurts more than the truth.

Thanks Guilder for once again adding nothing to the discussion.

Still waiting for your guidance on my questions about what is hating and what is not.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Is anyone writing here interested in cycling or simply in calling one another names?

Let's get back to a discussion of cycling matters, please.

Susan

 

[Anonymous]

My thought is this - some people care what the media thinks, some do not. I certainly do not believe that we "know" anyone based on what the media tells us, Tiger Woods is just one example, most thought he was somewhat quiet and shy, obviously that was not the case.

I have thought the guy was a pr!ck for years. I saw a video of him cussing out a guy who yelled "You da man!" after one of his drives. There were kids there, and Tiger really lit into the guy dropping several f bombs. Since then, I have no use for him. Couldn't care less what he is currently going through. Seems right in line with what I judged his character to be.

(I am not specifically talking about you below CentCal. I am thinking of others with these comments. You show a bit more complexity in your posts than do most people with similar opinions.)

As for The Uniballer, I find little to nothing that suggests he is an honest person, but to watch him talking about cancer etc (knowing nothing of him) you would think he was a really great guy. The reality is that there are multiple sources that present him in a real light. I don't know for sure because I am not his psychiatrist, but he appears (if you really look at everything out there in regards to him) to be a Narcissistic ***. He keeps himself in the press, not me. I therefore have no problem commenting on him. I cannot stand the guy. I don't wish him dead, but past that, I despise him. I am also a fan of cycling. He also happens to be one of the biggest personalities in that sport ergo...

And whether he or anyone else cares about my opinion isn't something I particularly care about. Most of the whiners here spend 95% of their time crying about other people's opinion of Lance. If any of you had the slightest shred of introspection, you would see the irony of your posts. As of yet, few of you have shown the ability to see that. Therefore, you fail.

 

[Anonymous]

I doubt that anyone posts here expecting Armstrong to see it, much less care what he thinks. A year ago I spent a fair amount of time siphoning through the news about Lance and posting the positive, cycling-related stuff to a blog. I even had a twitter account named @BloggingLance. But the problem with paying close attention to Lance is that you remember what he said he was going to do, and compare it to what he really does, and after a while you just want to take a shower and get clean.

I stopped blogging during the Tour of California. I stopped reading his and his friends tweets during the Giro. I only read about him when he and Bruyneel pop up in a Google News search about Contador. That happens way too often. If they stop trying to build themselves up by insulting Alberto, I'll gladly forget they exist. But right now they're too dangerous to ignore.

And when Lance comes out and says that he's not going to post his test results online anymore because they cause "silly speculation," that pretty much sets off the alarms that SOMEONE should keep an eye on him.

Great post.

Funny thing is that many of us were fans of Armstrong at one point. I know I was. Then he chased down Simeoni and I thought, man, that was not only uncool, but speaks volumes about his real opinion of doping in cycling. That is when I started to look at the mounting evidence, and well, where there is smoke...where there is A LOT of smoke, even more true.

 

[mainframe]

I have thought the guy was a pr!ck for years. I saw a video of him cussing out a guy who yelled "You da man!" after one of his drives. There were kids there, and Tiger really lit into the guy dropping several f bombs. Since then, I have no use for him. Couldn't care less what he is currently going through. Seems right in line with what I judged his character to be.

Stick to cycling observations mate, bellends that shout "You da man" on a golf course deserve a punch in the nether regions....

 

[Anonymous]

Funny thing is that many of us were fans of Armstrong at one point. I know I was. Then he chased down Simeoni and I thought, man, that was not only uncool, but speaks volumes about his real opinion of doping in cycling. That is when I started to look at the mounting evidence, and well, where there is smoke...where there is A LOT of smoke, even more true.

That's just racing

 

[BikeCentric]

That's just racing

Except that it's not.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I get my information from past history. i COULD CARE ABOUT lances tweets or johanns tweets,taint got time.

I have a stack of Pro Cycling mags from way back. I could/can see where the whole doping things' going.

In the big picture it really doesn't matter.

Just enjoy those riders banging up hills and swiftly and deftly negotiating the descending off camber corners corners and in Belguim and Netherlands inhabiting the sidewalks with pedestrians after missing road furniture and leaping a curb at 60 kph. Enjoy.

By the way Contador and Schleck A. are the future. Contador is unbeatable, why do the Lance haters even bother to speak about the psycotic games, tweets, missing wheels.

Anyone who has competed in sport know the psych games are all a part of it.

Just watch Contador and Schleck A. and who challanges them. Watch the juniors, the u/23 riders the women and support them.

Drop Lance.

So with regard to the doping thing you are satisfied to watch UCI pretend it doesn't exist while playing favorites with some and eliminating the occasional "sacraficial lamb".
Meanwhile those U23 and juniors that you talk about have no choice but to involve themselves in dangerous, illegal, and expensive cheating if they want to make it to the top.
That might work for you, but not for me, and apparently not for some others here.

 

[Anonymous]

I have thought the guy was a pr!ck for years. I saw a video of him cussing out a guy who yelled "You da man!" after one of his drives. There were kids there, and Tiger really lit into the guy dropping several f bombs. Since then, I have no use for him. Couldn't care less what he is currently going through. Seems right in line with what I judged his character to be.

Stick to cycling observations mate, bellends that shout "You da man" on a golf course deserve a punch in the nether regions....

Stick to observations other than those of the psychological variety, that 6 year old kid standing there didn't need to hear someone like Tiger cussing like a sailor at any time...and the guy yelling "You da man" was a fan...right up until that point.

 

[Anonymous]

That's just racing

No, that was a personal vendetta against someone who had exposed Armstrong's usage of a doctor specifically known for his doping regimen. Yes, I know the clueless still think Armstrong hired him for his expertise in hill repeats or some such nonsense. Every ask yourself how Carmichael must have felt? Wait, Carmichael was injecting Jr's so I guess he must have been doubly hurt.

 

[flicker]

I am totally with you on the anti-doping thing.
As a former racing cyclist/I wasn't that good, and I have been putting miles in in the last 3 years I can speak with some knowledge on the sport.
LeMond was racing in senior 1 as junior in the same races I was racing in.
I don't know how to stop doping in cycling. I said a few things in this forum and I was shouted down and insulted. I am 6 years older than LeMond.
My freinds also cyclists trained/mentored LeMond. We never used substances to go fast.

What I do know is that cycling has always had this problem and by my understanding at 18 here in the US I knew that as a European Pro cyclist in the year 1974 one had to dope to ride grand tours and classics.
I had a pretty good idea that the European doctors found amphetemines or flipped molecules in drugging agents which could not be found in controls.
You can insult me but Lance is not the problem.
If doping bothers you find a way to clean it up or find another sport to watch.

 

[flicker]

I know everyone has the energy to go after Lance but I hope that he isn't the only one you are going after. Be sophisticated. There are other riders. Some are even European and Asian.

 

[Mellow Velo]

But right now they're too dangerous to ignore.

And when Lance comes out and says that he's not going to post his test results online anymore because they cause "silly speculation," that pretty much sets off the alarms that SOMEONE should keep an eye on him.

Absolutely. I find this particularly worrying.
Suggests to me, that he knows he can't compete with Contador on a level playing field, so intends to "push the envelope", in terms of his performance programme.
Worse yet, I fear he will do so, with the backing of our fearless UCI leader, who will be expecting another one of those large donations.

If all else fails, I think the world's number one climber might have an unfortunate accident with a test result.

 

[guilder]

Great post.
Funny thing is that many of us were fans of Armstrong at one point. I know I was. Then he chased down Simeoni and....

So?...many of you were DPF'rs too but it just didn't quite bring out the inner ... trolls in you.

Who is this Simeoni person you have so much empathy for? Had you even heard of the guy before the hate community had a feeding frenzy of the incident?

Is there something about chasing down cyclists bad?

 

[Race Radio]

So?...many of you were DPF'rs too but it just didn't quite bring out the inner ... trolls in you.

Who is this Simeoni person you have so much empathy for? Had you even heard of the guy before the hate community had a feeding frenzy of the incident?

Is there something about chasing down cyclists bad?

Simeoni is one of the few riders willing to brake the omerta and talk about doping in the sport. He was well know before Armstrong played his childish games.

You appear to have no issues with intimidating witnesses. To pretend all Armstrong was doing chasing down another rider is comical.

 

[BikeCentric]

What I do know is that cycling has always had this problem and by my understanding at 18 here in the US I knew that as a European Pro cyclist in the year 1974 one had to dope to ride grand tours and classics.
I had a pretty good idea that the European doctors found amphetemines or flipped molecules in drugging agents which could not be found in controls.
You can insult me but Lance is not the problem.
If doping bothers you find a way to clean it up or find another sport to watch.

Flicker you DO NOT UNDERSTAND the problem of doping in cycling. You are correct that doping has always been in cycling, but you don't understand how blood boosting drugs have changed the game. Back in your day guys used to use amphetamines/upppers/stimulants. That stuff is child's play. I have raced against guys on coke and meth and beaten them and I not an athlete of superior talent.

But racers jacked on blood boosters (EPO/actovegin/blood transfusions/etc) WILL NOT lose to a racer of equal talent unless they are completely ***. Blood boosters will give a racer around a 20% improvement in threshold (time trial) power. 20%! That means the strongest most naturally gifted local Cat 1 you've ever ridden with MIGHT be able to hold the wheel of blood doped competitor and that's it. 2nd place if he does everything right; no better.

Your experience racing against guys snorting uppers means nothing in todays world of blood boosting. Do your research on blood doping or STFU.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Who is this Simeoni person you have so much empathy for? Had you even heard of the guy before the hate community had a feeding frenzy of the incident?

Of course we "Haters" had heard of him. That's where we differ from you fanboys. We actually do follow the sport 24/7, not just for 3 weeks in July and definitely NOT just one individual rider.

Filippo is also famous for doing this, when winning a stage of the Vuelta and got a hefty fine, for his troubles.


Some victory celebration!

 

[Anonymous]

I have raced against guys on coke and meth and beaten them and I not an athlete of superior talent.

The Cycling news Christmas party, eh?

But racers jacked on blood boosters (EPO/actovegin/blood transfusions/etc) WILL NOT lose to a racer of equal talent unless they are completely ***. Blood boosters will give a racer around a 20% improvement in threshold (time trial) power. 20%! That means the strongest most naturally gifted local Cat 1 you've ever ridden with MIGHT be able to hold the wheel of blood doped competitor and that's it. 2nd place if he does everything right; no better.

20% is the upper end maximum of lab tests studies of a small amount of people who have dosed up to the max on a four week program. I very much doubt any pro cyclist avoiding drug tests would get a benefit like that or anywhere near it. Since when has anyone improved their performance by 20% in a time trial? I've never seen it.