Armstrong Lies

[peloton]

Ha ha, you're funny!

The Shack Attack is gonna show all of the Armstrong Truths!

Shack attack

yawn yawn yawn

 

[auscyclefan94]

yawn yawn yawn

It gets old, doesn't it?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Just a reminder friends that CyclingNews Forums does contain an "ignore" feature.

 

[pmcg76]

Why are you so upset about? Do you hate that we talk against doping? Why would a rational person hate this unless approves of these practices or it is involve in the same game.

This is just trademark Speedway, he tries to claim some moral higway by inferring that anybody who dislikes Lance or criticises Lance on a forum is some sort of loser or mentally ill person.

The irony is that unlike most people (whom he regards as losers) post on most topics, Lance or non-Lance, Speedway rarely if ever posts on non-Lance related threads, the hypocrisy is blatant yet Speedway is somehow oblivious to this notion that he is more of a loser than any of us.

I really hate this attitude 'Oh, people who post on forums are losers' yeah but are people who are fixated by or take part in some dumbass reality TV programme any better than us or any sort of activity. Dont think so.

The last time I checked, forums were for discussing whatever people want without getting too serious. I know I enjoy this forum because where I live there are very, very few cyclists and most of them have a limited knowledge of cycling so its hard to get involved in deep analysis of the sport. I love cycling so I enjoy discussing the issues in regards to cycling.

I would give more respect to people like BPC/Arbiter etc becuase at least they offered an opinion even if it was nonsenese a lot of the time. Speedway offers nothing, other than to criticise Lance critics. Over 120 posts with the same message, if students really wanted to do a dissertation on the mentally ill they could do worse than look in the direction of Speedway.

Oh yeah, Hombre is starting to remind me of a forum member called 'GoLanceGo' who posted on here way back at the beginning. His posts usually consisted of "Lance is the greatest and is gonna kick ****" or something similar. See the similarities???

 

[auscyclefan94]

Just a reminder friends that CyclingNews Forums does contain an "ignore" feature.

i'm using it right now...

 

[HL2037]

About the Armstrong lies:

I think the one that bothers me the most is that it is an advantage for an athlete to have a sociopathic personalty - the "type AA personality". That it might even be necessary to lack respect of other people in order to be a real champion.

The fans keep repeating this lie over and over to justify LA's behaviour. Normal rules don't apply to him, because he wouldn't be a winner if he had normal manners and empathy.

Then Contador and Schleck comes along and demonstrates that it is possible to be emotionally healthy and a champion at the same time.

 

[CentralCaliBike]

About the Armstrong lies:

I think the one that bothers me the most is that it is an advantage for an athlete to have a sociopathic personalty - the "type AA personality". That it might even be necessary to lack respect of other people in order to be a real champion.

The fans keep repeating this lie over and over to justify LA's behaviour. Normal rules don't apply to him, because he wouldn't be a winner if he had normal manners and empathy.

Then Contador and Schleck comes along and demonstrates that it is possible to be emotionally healthy and a champion at the same time.

Type AAs are not sociopathic:

Type A individuals can be described as impatient, time-conscious, concerned about their status, highly competitive, ambitious, business-like, aggressive, having difficulty relaxing; and are sometimes disliked by individuals with Type B personalities for the way that they're always rushing.[1] They are often high-achieving workaholics who multi-task, drive themselves with deadlines, and are unhappy about delays. Because of these characteristics, Type A individuals are often described as "stress junkies." Type B individuals, in contrast, are described as patient, relaxed, and easy-going, generally lacking any sense of urgency. Because of these characteristics, Type B individuals are often described as apathetic and disengaged. There is also a Type AB mixed profile for people who cannot be clearly categorized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_A_and_Type_B_personality_theory

 

[Hugh Januss]

Type AAs are not sociopathic:

Type A individuals can be described as impatient, time-conscious, concerned about their status, highly competitive, ambitious, business-like, aggressive, having difficulty relaxing; and are sometimes disliked by individuals with Type B personalities for the way that they're always rushing.[1] They are often high-achieving workaholics who multi-task, drive themselves with deadlines, and are unhappy about delays. Because of these characteristics, Type A individuals are often described as "stress junkies." Type B individuals, in contrast, are described as patient, relaxed, and easy-going, generally lacking any sense of urgency. Because of these characteristics, Type B individuals are often described as apathetic and disengaged. There is also a Type AB mixed profile for people who cannot be clearly categorized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_A_and_Type_B_personality_theory

You're right he should have said "type AA personality and a sociopath".

 

[HL2037]

Yes, that was very wrong of me, i guess my whole post makes no sense then...

 

[RTMcFadden]

About the Armstrong lies:

I think the one that bothers me the most is that it is an advantage for an athlete to have a sociopathic personalty - the "type AA personality". That it might even be necessary to lack respect of other people in order to be a real champion.

The fans keep repeating this lie over and over to justify LA's behaviour. Normal rules don't apply to him, because he wouldn't be a winner if he had normal manners and empathy.

Then Contador and Schleck comes along and demonstrates that it is possible to be emotionally healthy and a champion at the same time.

Don't be so fast with that. I think we would have said the same thing about Tiger a few weeks ago. Maybe they're just to young or new to the public to have their issues manifest themselves yet.

 

[pmcg76]

Don't be so fast with that. I think we would have said the same thing about Tiger a few weeks ago. Maybe they're just to young or new to the public to have their issues manifest themselves yet.

Miguel Indurain, just as successful as Lance but regarded as a super-nice guys. So nice and uncontroversial that he was considered bland and boring by the media but universally respected. You do not need to be a super-**** to be a super champion.

 

[CentralCaliBike]

Miguel Indurain, just as successful as Lance but regarded as a super-nice guys. So nice and uncontroversial that he was considered bland and boring by the media but universally respected. You do not need to be a super-**** to be a super champion.

I think point may have been made a couple of posts up, but what did you think about Tiger Woods a month ago?

 

[Mellow Velo]

Don't be so fast with that. I think we would have said the same thing about Tiger a few weeks ago. Maybe they're just to young or new to the public to have their issues manifest themselves yet.

Not on here they wouldn't. No rose tint glasses as far as he's concerned.
Now, he's gone and shown he has a dark side.
Quelle surprise.

 

[HL2037]

Don't be so fast with that. I think we would have said the same thing about Tiger a few weeks ago. Maybe they're just to young or new to the public to have their issues manifest themselves yet.

I had hardly heard of Tiger a few weeks ago. I understand that he cheated on his wife and is now suspending his career to try to save their marriage. That sounds human to me.

 

[HL2037]

And let me clarify: I didn't mean that athletes must be flawless in every way. I just don't like it when LA claims that it is a necessity to act like/be a sociopath to be a winner.

I never heard neither Contador nor Andy claim something like that. They probably have faults like everybody else, but they don't use the sport as an excuse to treat other people horribly.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

From my point of view riders personalities are a non-issue.

To me this is sport, not a personality competition. While different riders may come across in interviews as nice, charming or even humble -all top professional must posses a ruthless streak somewhere in the psyche.
Pro Cycling is a psychologically demanding sport - riders will possess something dark to motivate them.

Ultimately - I would rather a clean rider be a complete bollocks than a doper who appears charming and humble. Unfortunately with Armstrong you get neither clean nor humble.
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They say you should never meet your heroes - well my biggest hero was Sean Kelly, I have ridden with him and even had a beer (or 5) with him. Even though he is excellent company I was under no illusions as to his character.

Here is one story: back in the 80's his wife Linda was leaning on his car - leaving a hand print that Kelly quickly rubbed away with a soft cloth. Linda bitterly said "Huh, first its the car, then its me", to which Kelly quickly replied, "no, first its the bike, then its the car......"

 

[Anonymous]

In one new article over the past few days, he said he would ride two more years, and would do anything within his power to win an 8th Tour de France. He added that he would no longer post drug test results online because they lead to "silly speculation."

From the Vanity Fair comeback article:

In addition, he promised, “We’re going to be completely transparent and open with the press. This is for the world to see.… And everybody was supportive. Bart—because he’s my best friend—looked at me like, Do you really want to do this? That was the extent of his skepticism. But everybody else was like, Let’s go!”

There was more about no blacklists, and anyone being able to ask questions.


Then during the Giro, he got upset, stopped doing interviews, and only communicated one-way via twitter and videos. When members of the media threatened to boycott his twitter, he said good luck with that, and welcome to 2009.

I don't know if they followed through or not, but he said the proceeds from yellow bands sold during the Tour would go to French cancer organizations. I hope that actually happened, but haven't figures anywhere.

 

[pmcg76]

I think point may have been made a couple of posts up, but what did you think about Tiger Woods a month ago?

What did I think about Woods? Nothing more than he was the top golfer in the world who transcends his sport because of his story and success. I didnt know much about his private life, a celeb cheating on his wife, hardly grounbeaking news for me.

I dont think I have ever criticised Lance on his private life, not my business. My view of him is based soley on his cycling career and he has behaved very poorly many times in my eyes.

Woods is currently being crucified in the media because of his private life, I couldnt care less, yes his behaviour has been very bad but he will still be the top golfer, probably.

 

[CentralCaliBike]

What did I think about Woods? Nothing more than he was the top golfer in the world who transcends his sport because of his story and success. I didnt know much about his private life, a celeb cheating on his wife, hardly grounbeaking news for me.

I dont think I have ever criticised Lance on his private life, not my business. My view of him is based soley on his cycling career and he has behaved very poorly many times in my eyes.

Woods is currently being crucified in the media because of his private life, I couldnt care less, yes his behaviour has been very bad but he will still be the top golfer, probably.

My thought is this - some people care what the media thinks, some do not. I certainly do not believe that we "know" anyone based on what the media tells us, Tiger Woods is just one example, most thought he was somewhat quiet and shy, obviously that was not the case.

 

[HL2037]

From my point of view riders personalities are a non-issue.
To me this is sport, not a personality competition.

I agree up until the point where a rider is holding his flawed personality up as an example for others to follow, Insisting that his rude behaviour is an admirable quality. LA himself has turned it into a personality competition by making his fans believe that it is necessary to be a ******* to be a winner.

 

[flicker]

I appreciate Lances' acheivements. I have nothing against him.
I don't care if people say he dopes, if it comes to it and he is caught my attitude is: when a cyclist reaches the top tier he may need a boost.

I think that it is not worth it to abuse drugs but in the pro peleton it may be essential to enhance.

I guess the fairest thing to do is take a look at the other amatuer and pro riders and compare how doping has effected them.

I beleive LeMond although his philosiphies to me are skewed and prejuidiced by his personal and professional experiences. Which is a good thing but also may not take in the whole real world picture of pro cycling.

LeMonds attitude has changed from when he was world class cyclist.

LeMond and Armstrong definenently have character flaws however is it our place to judge them?

 

[HL2037]

LeMond and Armstrong definenently have character flaws however is it our place to judge them?

When they demand to be worshipped for their faults, lining them up next to the enourmous heart and the high cadence, I think it is.

 

[Anonymous]

This thread is misnamed

It should be called Armstrong Haters Lies

 

[flicker]

Why?

Why the infatuation with Lance? Do you the haters' think Lance cares?

Come on guys and gals it is time to move on to something more positive and for the future good.

You know who will win the big one. Contador.

All these accusations are drivel. Prove it and then I will give you all the time of day.

 

[Anonymous]

Why the infatuation with Lance? Do you the haters' think Lance cares?

Come on guys and gals it is time to move on to something more positive and for the future good.

You know who will win the big one. Contador.

All these accusations are drivel. Prove it and then I will give you all the time of day.

'Cause the haters are motivated by something Lance triggers in them. Jealousy? I don't know, but it's painful to hear all their constant whining.