Armstrong Lies

[red_flanders]

both are very likely.

Why is it likely that he finished last in his class? I don't know where this information is published.

 

[lwebb12]

Armstrong doesn't lie, he speaks in half truths and politial posturing.

Just as we all know our politicians are full of feces, so is Armstrong.

 

[red_flanders]

I think it's pretty funny that Lance actually pointed the finger at no one--no names mentioned so no culpability. But the minions have already picked up the innuendo as gospel. Boggles the mind.

 

[lwebb12]

I think it's pretty funny that Lance actually pointed the finger at no one--no names mentioned so no culpability. But the minions have already picked up the innuendo as gospel. Boggles the mind.

He keeps the myth alive and upholds the Omerta, just like a politician hides corruption and take bribes.

 

[Runitout]

Why is it likely that he finished last in his class? I don't know where this information is published.

There isn't a 'class' for PhD candidates. PhD candidates do well enough in their 'class' (undergraduate degree) to be accepted into their honours program. From there (depending on the country) they do a three year Masters thesis, for which they must apply to a university to be accepted. Only once they have completed all of that are they open to apply for PhD. Successful applicants then perform solo research for four or five years before that body of work is assessed for their doctorate.

People here seem to be conflating a medical degree (which is really just a difficult undergraduate degree) with a PhD, which requires a astonishing amount of intelligence, perseverance and dedication to complete.

No-one with a PhD is 'last in his class.' They were beyond 'class' years ago. They are performing independent research that no-one else has (if it's not an original contribution to the field, you don't get your PhD).

 

[BYOP88]

There isn't a 'class' for PhD candidates. PhD candidates do well enough in their 'class' (undergraduate degree) to be accepted into their honours program. From there (depending on the country) they do a three year Masters thesis, for which they must apply to a university to be accepted. Only once they have completed all of that are they open to apply for PhD. Successful applicants then perform solo research for four or five years before that body of work is assessed for their doctorate.

People here seem to be conflating a medical degree (which is really just a difficult undergraduate degree) with a PhD, which requires a astonishing amount of intelligence, perseverance and dedication to complete.

No-one with a PhD is 'last in his class.' They were beyond 'class' years ago. They are performing independent research that no-one else has (if it's not an original contribution to the field, you don't get your PhD).

SHHHH

Don't say that to Lance or his merry band of fans, they wont understand it and of course in their view what you've written is complete toss. If Lance says this guy came last in his class he came last in his class, in fact I'm sure they'd want you to believe this so called "doctor" used his family contacts/wealth to buy the PhD.

 

[blackcat]

There isn't a 'class' for PhD candidates. PhD candidates do well enough in their 'class' (undergraduate degree) to be accepted into their honours program. From there (depending on the country) they do a three year Masters thesis, for which they must apply to a university to be accepted. Only once they have completed all of that are they open to apply for PhD. Successful applicants then perform solo research for four or five years before that body of work is assessed for their doctorate.

People here seem to be conflating a medical degree (which is really just a difficult undergraduate degree) with a PhD, which requires a astonishing amount of intelligence, perseverance and dedication to complete.

No-one with a PhD is 'last in his class.' They were beyond 'class' years ago. They are performing independent research that no-one else has (if it's not an original contribution to the field, you don't get your PhD).

what about your GED tho Run. Aint dat more relevant when we speaking about Prance? Where did he come in his GED class? Oh, right, he aint got his GED.

 

[Phantom Menace]

This thread is a massive smear. Most of u are lucky if you do not get sued.

 

[lwebb12]

This thread is a massive smear. Most of u are lucky if you do not get sued.

Can't sue someone with empty pockets...

 

[blackcat]

Phantom, everyone is doing Prance a favour, cos he lurves conflict

 

[Runitout]

what about your GED tho Run. Aint dat more relevant when we speaking about Prance? Where did he come in his GED class? Oh, right, he aint got his GED.

I just can't believe these 'last in the class' comments got traction when they are self evidently stupid - they simply cannot apply to a PhD candidate with several peer reviewed publications and a Masters degree.

It's just dismaying to see people try to spin their way out of difficult questions by 'playing the man', and not dealing with the substance of the question.

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It's for the same reason that the 'trollers' are so effective at disrupting this forum. Usually informed and informative posters are reduced to spouting 'fanboi' in response to idiotic ravings of someone who is clearly aiming to disrupt forum discussion, rather than have a discussion.

The result is that the discussion becomes a name calling, pie-throwing contest, rather than advancing serious ideas. That is a shame for two reasons - one, because it's the developed ideas that people (especially dopers and their facilitators in positions of authority) find uncomfortable and difficult to answer; and two, because the trolls drag the forum participants down to their level and then beat them with experience.

 

[red_flanders]

There isn't a 'class' for PhD candidates.

Thanks, I was struggling not to put class in quotes in my post. It was too many levels of buffoonery to get into.

 

[HL2037]

There isn't a 'class' for PhD candidates. PhD candidates do well enough in their 'class' (undergraduate degree) to be accepted into their honours program. From there (depending on the country) they do a three year Masters thesis, for which they must apply to a university to be accepted. Only once they have completed all of that are they open to apply for PhD. Successful applicants then perform solo research for four or five years before that body of work is assessed for their doctorate.

People here seem to be conflating a medical degree (which is really just a difficult undergraduate degree) with a PhD, which requires a astonishing amount of intelligence, perseverance and dedication to complete.

No-one with a PhD is 'last in his class.' They were beyond 'class' years ago. They are performing independent research that no-one else has (if it's not an original contribution to the field, you don't get your PhD).

Thank you! What a relief to see some sense and knowledge in this big pile of absurdity.

A PhD in medicine is in the absolute elite of the academic world. You cannot buy or cheat or bully your way to a PhD degree. (Not in Denmark anyway). Obviously LA and his fans don't quite grasp this concept.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Thank you! What a relief to see some sense and knowledge in this big pile of absurdity.
A PhD in medicine is in the absolute elite of the academic world. You cannot buy or cheat or bully your way to a PhD degree. (Not in Denmark anyway). Obviously LA and his fans don't quite grasp this concept.

That's because they all have PhD's in consistency.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Thank you! What a relief to see some sense and knowledge in this big pile of absurdity.

A PhD in medicine is in the absolute elite of the academic world. You cannot buy or cheat or bully your way to a PhD degree. (Not in Denmark anyway). Obviously LA and his fans don't quite grasp this concept.

In this respect, they have the monopoly on consistency.

 

[lwebb12]

In this respect, they have the monopoly on consistency.

There needs to be an anti-trust lawsuit....

 

[Anonymous]

the tension at Astana wasn't my fault

The Telegraaf and Het Nieuwsblad will be running a two day (in print) exclusive interview with Armstrong where he apparently gives Contador advice, such as he's too early in his career to be treated like a King in Spain. I never did figure out how many Tours Lance had to win before he could say and do as he pleased - I thought he had reached that point after the second one.

Anyway, according to this link, Lance will also claim that the tension at Astana wasn't his fault, part of the revisionist history that allows him to behave badly then tell us what he wants us to believe.

http://www.sportweek.nl/wielrennen/123320/Armstrong_Loopbaan_Contador_is_amper_begonnen

 

[bianchigirl]

The Telegraaf and Het Nieuwsblad are notorious for being pro Armstrong rags - the only places he consistently gives interviews because he knows they'll sop up his bile uncritically

 

[Oncearunner8]

The Telegraaf and Het Nieuwsblad are notorious for being pro Armstrong rags - the only places he consistently gives interviews because he knows they'll sop up his bile uncritically

wait hold the press......... are you calling them in a indirect manner ........Fish Hacks working for Fish Wraps?

 

[quiensabe]

I am currently trying to stay out of all the Lance threads but the BS I have read on the previous pages in regards to the Simeoni affair is unblievable. I cannot let this one pass.

It is very obvious that those criticising Simeoni know nothing about the guy or what is considered acceptable behvaiour in pro cycling.
A full recap then.



4. Armstrong only came into the picture when his relationship with Ferrari was outed by David Walsh. It was a secret before that, the Ferrari trial was ongoing for 2-3 years at this stage and Simeoni was the only athlete who had a consisent story i.e. Ferrari advised him to take EPO.

5. When Lance was asked about the ongoing trial against Ferrari in 04, he called Simeoni a liar in a newspaper. Why? If his relationship with Ferrari had never been outed, he would have never have said a word against Simeoni. He had never criticised Simeoni in the time before the link with Ferrari was common knowledge, that was a 2-3 year period. As usual Lance was trying to discredit any possible bad association even though the trial had nothing to do with him.

6. Simeoni was shocked to hear the biggest star in cycling calling him a liar in a major newspaper as the trial had nothing to do with Lance and he was just telling the truth. He felt that Lances accusations could destroy his career and as the accusations of being a liar were unfounded, he threatened to sue Armstrong and if he won, give the money to charity.


8. In 2004, Simeoni was one of the lower ranked GC riders who got away on such a stage. Lance ordered USPS to chase, there was absolutely no reason for them to chase, the GC was sown up already. They were not able to bridge so Lance took it upon himself to bridge the gap. He had no intention of winning the stage, his only aim was to prevent one rider having a shot of winning and to humiliate him. That day he broke the rules of cycling etiquette because of a vendetta against a single rider who had dared to speak the truth.

8. It was Armstrong who made it about himself, not the other way round as Simeoni was never ever testifying against Lance or even questioning him, it only became relevant to Lance when his relationship with Ferrari was outed and that was not Simoenis problem. Lance then called an athlete he barely knew a liar in a major European newspapaer turning it into a conflict. Nobody does conflict like Lance as proven again by the whole Contador sage this year except Contador is a big rider unlike little guy Simeoni.

If people cannot follow this case and not see that Lance behaved like a complete ****, then too bad for you. I would still have been a Lance supporter when this incident occured in 2004 and it turned me completely against him as I had never seen anything like it in my time following cycling. I had known about many disagreemts/arguments in the peloton but this was so vindictive and unseemly.

For the biggest name ever in pro-cycling to behave in such a way does not constitute sporting behaviour in my book and the primary reason I dont like Lance. When you are growing up playing sport, cheating is considered wrong as is being disrespectful to your team-mates, opponents etc, yet Lance seems to hold these values in contempt.

I've cut some of your quote (sorry) but I was so glad to see - at last! someone who knows what he's talking about taking part in the argument. I've followed cycling since the days of Merckx, and Armstrong's vindictive intimidation of Simeoni was one of the nastiest things I've witnessed. Wasn't it quite recently that Bruyneel publically warned Ben Stiller: "Go up against Lance and he'll destroy you." ? Simeoni will say amen to that. He - the current Italian roadrace champion - was barred from riding the Giro "to avoid a conflictive situation with Armstrong." Why is everyone so afraid of Armstrong?

 

[quiensabe]

This thread is a massive smear. Most of u are lucky if you do not get sued.

By whom? What for? Saying what we think? I repeat what I've already said: Why is everyone afraid of Armstrong?

 

[Mellow Velo]

By whom? What for? Saying what we think? I repeat what I've already said: Why is everyone afraid of Armstrong?

I'm afraid you are posting to a dead troll there.
Banned and instantly forgotten.
Check out Deadlift for current version.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

As this thread has resurfaced, I tried to clean it up some if people would like to continue in what was once a viable discussion.

 

[Escarabajo]

More Armstrong lies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG4odJP-Zuw

 

[flicker]

I beg to differ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG4odJP-Zuw


I beg to differ with the poster refering to Lance as a liar. Lance tells it like it is in the you tube interview.

Look at the cycling mags from 95 on. Almost all the big name cyclists have either been suspect or have received 2yr. or lifetime bans.


Pro baseball and football overlook the drugging.

What did Manny Rodriguez get; 3 month suspension? The dodger fans will forget that in 6 months.

For the newbies: Cycling a rich tradition of doping!