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(1) He said that he never knew or discussed, with his then best friend Kevin Livingstone, that Kevin was going to Michele Ferrari for treatment, or later that he was under investigation as being one of Ferrari's clients.

(2) He said he hadn't any suspicions whatsoever when the Gewiss 1-2-3 occured, eventhough it was the talk of the peleton and the sport, what Ferrari, the Gewiss doctor had said the day after.

(3) In 2004 he said this about the Simeoni incident:
I was protecting the interests of the peloton" to French TV after the stage and continued by saying, "The story of Simeoni is not a fair story...there's a long history there. All (journalists) want to write about is parts of the story. It's a long history...a guy like (Simeoni), all he wants to do is to destroy cycling...and for me, that's not correct. And I when I went back to the group they said 'chapeau'...thank you very much. Because they understand that (cycling) is their job and that they absolutely love it and they're committed to it and don't want somebody within their sport destroying it. So...for me it's no problem to go on the wheel, to follow the wheel."

In 2008 this is what he said:
“First off, I did not chase Simeoni down, I was simply following his wheel. That is the truth of the matter. I never bridged across to Simeoni. He was in front of me, people were attacking, he accelerated, and I stayed on the wheel. We have footage of the race that will back that up. There was never more than bike length between us. There was no gap closed. There’s a big difference between following wheels and closing a gap.” Armstrong said he’d naturally expected the peloton to follow, and was surprised to see that the pair had opened a gap when they reached the day’s breakaway a few kilometers later.

Armstrong also admits it as being one of the biggest mistakes of his career. If he was just 'following the wheel', why is it such a mistake?!!!

(4) There is a witch hunt against me in France.

(5) Le Monde is a tabloid.

(6) Ferrari was used to measure his body fat percentage.

(7) For two weeks he was asked at the Tour de France of 1999, do you have a TUE? The answer was always no. Then a prescription appeared from the forst few days for corticoids.

(8) What’s your VO2 Max?
Today? I’ve no idea.

What was it?
I don’t know.

You don’t know?
I did some tests back when I was 16.

You don’t know your VO2 Max?
I haven’t done a test in a long time.

What was it?
The best I can remember, the low 80s.

What’s the highest haematocrit you ever registered?
Er…I don’t know. Maybe… 45, 46.

Haematocrit is a tricky number. In 2003 I started the Tour at 39. It varies greatly depending on effort the day before, dehydration, altitude.

In the last couple of years I’ve been 47 48. It doesn't mean I’ve been out taking illegal drugs. I think starting the Tour at 39, that’s a compelling number.

Do you have any Therapeutic Use Exemptions?
No. Never have.

Never? What about the cortisone?
Well, obviously there was the cortisone

Do you believe that Floyd Landis doped?
No.

You made a gift to the UCI back in the early 2000s to buy anti-doping equipment. How much was it?
Er…Well, I can get you an exact number. Around 25,000 dollars. This was a long time ago.

Vino hasn’t expressed remorse and denied everything. Do you see that as a problem?
Listen, if he doesn’t believe he did it…

Did you ever put pressure on Trek to discredit Greg Lemond?
No. Discredit him? Or get rid of his line? Neither.
 
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Thanks Digger, that interview is fantastic Im laughing my ar se off. Its all just crazy.

Wasnt there something about "I will make all my internal test results public"?
 
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Digger said:
(1) He said that he never knew or discussed ...

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha! This is the best entertainment I've had for the week. Makes it pretty compelling when you just group it all together.
 
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Eva Maria said:
A quick list of Armstrong lies

The Actovign was for the diabetic mechanic
The Cortisone was for a saddle sore
He does not know his Vo2
He stopped working with Ferrari when he was convicted
His climbing bike weighed 21 pounds
He could increase his Hct from 39 to 48.5 by sleeping in a tent
That he paid his teammates bonuses, in fact he withheld payment to many of them
That he would be tested "Any time, any where" by Catlin
His Marriage vows

Please add your favorites.
I don't have any favorite lies. Have fun with VO2 max, hematocrit, etc. ... but the marriage...not your place, forum or not.
 

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Dunedain said:
I don't have any favorite lies. Have fun with VO2 max, hematocrit, etc. ... but the marriage...not your place, forum or not.

Actually I do agree with you - his family life has nothing to do with his athletic performance.
But his Cancer awareness are - as I believe he has not always been honest with the truth and it gives him a positive image and credibility with the mass audience.

From this [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_bonnie_d&id=4304698']interview[/url] with ESPN before the Tour.

Q: There is a school of thought that you're lining your pockets by putting exclusive content on Livestrong.com as opposed to Livestrong.org. What is your answer to that?

A: I haven't made a dime off Livestrong.com. Obviously the .org is the foundation, .com is a subsidiary of Demand Media. Both the foundation and myself have equity in Demand. But I think that the promotion of the .org kinds of things, the charity side of things on .com makes it the reason we do it. To me, .com is really about prevention and .org is about treatment and care and survivorship. I think if we paid closer attention to the .com side of things, ultimately a lot of people wouldn't need the .org side.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Actually I do agree with you - his family life has nothing to do with his athletic performance.
But his Cancer awareness are - as I believe he has not always been honest with the truth and it gives him a positive image and credibility with the mass audience.

From this [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_bonnie_d&id=4304698']interview[/url] with ESPN before the Tour.

Q: There is a school of thought that you're lining your pockets by putting exclusive content on Livestrong.com as opposed to Livestrong.org. What is your answer to that?

A: I haven't made a dime off Livestrong.com. Obviously the .org is the foundation, .com is a subsidiary of Demand Media. Both the foundation and myself have equity in Demand. But I think that the promotion of the .org kinds of things, the charity side of things on .com makes it the reason we do it. To me, .com is really about prevention and .org is about treatment and care and survivorship. I think if we paid closer attention to the .com side of things, ultimately a lot of people wouldn't need the .org side.
lol

Livestrong.com is deliberately conflating the charity, and leveraging the brand. Armstrong does not legally own that brand. Ofcourse, realipolitik, he owns the brand.

I am more interested in auditing Nike's P&L and their Livestrong division.

Note: the Armstrong line, changed from 10//2 which obviously did not move enough units, even tho he ran Boston and NY marathons taking appearance fees and trying to sell Nike schwag.

So why did Nike only give $1 from 10//2 line to Livestrong and now they say the Nike Livestrong line, gives all profit, to Livestrong. But how do they calculate profit? Like Armstrong and salary? Re: taking appearance fees from Tour Down Under and Giro?

Does Armstrong take a commission on the Livestrong line, then Nike calculate profit AFTER an Armstrong distribution, or after his endorsement for Nike? So they look to defray their cost of Armstrong's endorsement, with this line, and then say, any surplus profit, is distributed to the charity Livestrong. And the real market value of branding something "charity" and putting a yellow swatch the Livestrong swatch on the product, is probably worth more than the $1 Nike were paying.

Very murky.

It is all about Armstrong's pocket.

I would bet my life, he has some commission arrangement. Armstrong and Bill Stapleton never managed to create an athletic line like Palmer/Nicklaus/Jordan/Norman/Woods. Must be said, he really did create the dominance of Trek tho, which is equivalent to the golfers.
 
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Totally lying Sleazball...

Eva Maria said:
A quick list of Armstrong lies

The Actovign was for the diabetic mechanic
The Cortisone was for a saddle sore
He does not know his Vo2
He stopped working with Ferrari when he was convicted
His climbing bike weighed 21 pounds
He could increase his Hct from 39 to 48.5 by sleeping in a tent
That he paid his teammates bonuses, in fact he withheld payment to many of them
That he would be tested "Any time, any where" by Catlin
His Marriage vows

Please add your favorites.

This LA guy is truly something else!!
Mr. MaGoo would have little problem seeing through all his lies, and deceit.
This thread will only scratch the surface of his mountain of B.S. stories he continues to spew.
He can misrepresent the truth like no other in the peloton, definitely the PATRON!
We can see him heading for political office, it all makes sense.
Thanks for continuing to unmask this fraud....

And another thing, HIS MARRIAGE VOWS...they ARE fair game!!!
As long as he shows his lying face on my TV, my INTERNET, and my favourite sport, claiming that it's all about the fight against the big "C", well then, his sorry personal life is all fair game !!!!
 
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Eva Maria said:
I am the Worlds most tested athlete

The comeback will have "Complete Transparency"

This is my favourite. When Lemond crashed the press conference and Lance is detailing the complete transparency and the guy who is gonna be testing etc etc. And everyone is turning on Lemond, and Gregs says something along the lines of the transparency would be a good start but...

and then sure enough, No more transparency!

I don't remember the numbers but there was quite a bit of fluctuation and he seemed to go from say 37 to 40 in a relatively short time frame maybe a couple weeks and then went from like 45 to 48 in the same kind of time frame,
short.
Everyone i know was questioning how easliy & quickly it could get close to a level that is hard to achieve, I mean there has to be a point of diminishing returns the higher you go and then
"Its over, no more questions" :eek:
 
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You all are still on a " LANCE " witch hunt...it's really sad !!!


Maybe you should look a little closer " Alberto Contador "

One might wonder how a little climber at around 130 lbs (Contador)
beat (Fabian Cancellara) around 170 lbs in a flat TT. Stage 18

There are alot of people still and are looking into this... The fact is the numbers just don't add up...something is a little " fishy " :cool:
 
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shankapot0mus said:
Maybe you should look a little closer " Alberto Contador "

One might wonder how a little climber at around 130 lbs (Contador)
beat (Fabian Cancellara) around 170 lbs in a flat TT. Stage 18

There are alot of people still and are looking into this... The fact is the numbers just don't add up...something is a little " fishy " :cool:

I think you will find there a plenty of threads questioning Berty. And I would suggest that in ten years time if he behaves in the same way that Lance has there will be plenty of 'Berto's lies' threads. If you are still angry then perhaps you should consider posting in them.

Untill then we will keep talking about poor little Lance.
 
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This is brilliant and highly satisfactory. Thank you, I am tired of people not mentioning the obvious for fear of His Livestrong. Off the bike is indicative of his integrity, yet strickly in the cycling world, I applaud his accomplishments, yet at the expensive of whom if it "takes a team" to win a grand tour?
I love this sport and mourn how much more I would have been able to enjoy and hear about all of the rest of the accomplished peleton had he not come back. I fear it will be the same in the future. A thread like this is only in existence not for incendiary reasons, but because it's real, and looking away doesn't help any but the ignorant. Armstrong disgusts me, but I do support Livestrong.

Hey, I hear Jens is on the mend and a lot of great cycling happening now in the U.S. Not to mention Euro crits...onward!
 
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From the Sunday Times interview between Padraig Harrington the golfer and Paul Kimmage.
This is an excerpt:
WE ARE on a flight to Malaga, drinking tea and shooting the breeze about another sporting icon, acclaimed for his courage and inspirational deeds.

“Have you ever interviewed him?” Harrington asks.

“No,” I reply. “I like to give everyone a blank sheet of paper, but I couldn’t do it with him . . . probably the most cynical, hypocritical ******* in the history of sport.”

“Really?” he says, shifting nervously.

“Have you read that stuff in his book about what a devoted husband and father he is? Well, he’d get up on your mother.”

“What!”

“He f**** everything that moves.”

Normally I would say his marriage is off limits. However when he sells himself as being the devoted family man, a guy that Stephanie Mcillvain said on the tape to lemond hadn't seen his kids in months, then it becomes fair game. His public image is being sold as this cancer hero and family man, yet the reality is somewhat different.

Paul Kimmage: I spent the whole Tour this year with Slipstream, the Garmin team. That wasn't by accident. I chose that team deliberately, because of what they were saying about the sport and the message they were putting out. But also the fact that so many of that team had raced with Armstrong during his best years and knew exactly what he got up to. And the stuff that I learnt on that Tour about him and what he was really like was absolutely shocking, really shocking.
 

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shankapot0mus said:
You all are still on a " LANCE " witch hunt...it's really sad !!!


Maybe you should look a little closer " Alberto Contador "

One might wonder how a little climber at around 130 lbs (Contador)
beat (Fabian Cancellara) around 170 lbs in a flat TT. Stage 18

There are alot of people still and are looking into this... The fact is the numbers just don't add up...something is a little " fishy " :cool:

A 'witch hunt' by definition is a hunt for perceived untruths - most people so far have backed up their stories - these are not a matter of opinion they are on public record.

As for Alberto - he gets quite a lot of attention on this side of the forum,don't worry.

Of course Contador has been publicly challenged by Greg Lemond.
I notice in your reply that you didn't attack the subjects here - just the messenger's - its amusing as that is a tactic also employed on Greg Lemond by the Lance supporters.
 

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Digger said:
....Normally I would say his marriage is off limits. However when he sells himself as being the devoted family man, a guy that Stephanie Mcillvain said on the tape to lemond hadn't seen his kids in months, then it becomes fair game. His public image is being sold as this cancer hero and family man, yet the reality is somewhat different.

I must admit Diggger, I have never seen himself portray or sell himself as a "family man". Sure- if he is spotted in a nightclub when he just tweeted to say he is picking up the kids then fair enough.

He is divorced - if he was saying he was happily married yet shagging half of Texas then perhaps it would be relevant.
I think the celebrity magazines have picked up that he is a bit of a playboy.

I think it detracts from this argument - and the naysayers will jump on that and say is that all you can do.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
I must admit Diggger, I have never seen himself portray or sell himself as a "family man". Sure- if he is spotted in a nightclub when he just tweeted to say he is picking up the kids then fair enough.

He is divorced - if he was saying he was happily married yet shagging half of Texas then perhaps it would be relevant.
I think the celebrity magazines have picked up that he is a bit of a playboy.

I think it detracts from this argument - and the naysayers will jump on that and say is that all you can do.

His two books....
 

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Lol I've seen some sad threads but this has to be the saddest.

You guys really need to get a life. Instead of playing little boys name calling, why don't you get your lardy butts out on your bikes.

"I'm bored. I know, I will start a lame thread called 'Lance Lies' then all the hateboyz and well balanced sofa riders (a chip on both shoulders) can post their I hate Lance messages and tell us all what a nasty man he is. Then we can all feel better about our perfect little lives."
 

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Bagster said:
Lol I've seen some sad threads but this has to be the saddest.

You guys really need to get a life. Instead of playing little boys name calling, why don't you get your lardy butts out on your bikes.

"I'm bored. I know, I will start a lame thread called 'Lance Lies' then all the hateboyz and well balanced sofa riders (a chip on both shoulders) can post their I hate Lance messages and tell us all what a nasty man he is. Then we can all feel better about our perfect little lives."

Bagster - to be fair, there was a thread on the General Forum page and people were asked to show incidences of some of his misdemeanors.
Needless to say it had to be put here in the Clinic part of the forum.

By all means refute something here if it is not true.

And btw - I am about to put my skinny ass on a Selle San Marco - thanks for the advice.
Also I am not a hater - even of Lance - and to be fair to most people here I strongly suspect they many were LA supporters - even before 1999.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Bagster - to be fair, their was a thread on the General Forum page and people were asked to show incidences of some of his misdemeanors.
Needless to say it had to be put here in the Clinic part of the forum.

By all means refute something here if it not true.

And btw - I am about to put my skinny ass on a Selle San Marco - thanks for the advice.
Also I am not a hater - even of Lance - and to be fair to most people here I strongly suspect they many were LA supporters - even before 1999.

+1 except I use a Selle Italia Trans Am. ;)
 
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Lol I've seen some sad threads but this has to be the saddest.

You guys really need to get a life. Instead of playing little boys name calling, why don't you get your lardy butts out on your bikes.

"I'm bored. I know, I will start a lame thread called 'Lance Lies' then all the hateboyz and well balanced sofa riders (a chip on both shoulders) can post their I hate Lance messages and tell us all what a nasty man he is. Then we can all feel better about our perfect little lives."

As far as I know freedom of religion is not prohibited on the internet. Let them practice their religion of hate. Be glad your not "owned" by LA and have to participate in their mass. Just means your not a jealous loser. They're harmless and quite entertaining at times(and cheaper than the circus or renting a clown).
 
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shankapot0mus said:
You all are still on a " LANCE " witch hunt...it's really sad !!!


Maybe you should look a little closer " Alberto Contador "

One might wonder how a little climber at around 130 lbs (Contador)
beat (Fabian Cancellara) around 170 lbs in a flat TT. Stage 18

There are alot of people still and are looking into this... The fact is the numbers just don't add up...something is a little " fishy " :cool:

I love it when doping accusations come from a Lance chamois sniffer. Here is the difference between Contador and The Uniballer, Contador doesn't have 6 samples that contain synthetic EPO that I know of.
 
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As far as I know freedom of religion is not prohibited on the internet. Let them practice their religion of hate. Be glad your not "owned" by LA and have to participate in their mass. Just means your not a jealous loser. They're harmless and quite entertaining at times(and cheaper than the circus or renting a clown).

You rent clowns? There isn't a "Perverted Sexual Acts" section of this forum, so I'd keep things like that to myself if I were you.
 

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Digger said:
His two books....

The sub plot of his first book is how great his marriage is. Little mention of Lisa Shiels, the girlfriend who nursed him through cancer....the one he cheated on with Kristen.

Back to the lies

"Those samples did not have EPO in them when I gave them"
 
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LA the Thief

Opichi said:
This is brilliant and highly satisfactory. Thank you, I am tired of people not mentioning the obvious for fear of His Livestrong. Off the bike is indicative of his integrity, yet strickly in the cycling world, I applaud his accomplishments, yet at the expensive of whom if it "takes a team" to win a grand tour?
I love this sport and mourn how much more I would have been able to enjoy and hear about all of the rest of the accomplished peleton had he not come back. I fear it will be the same in the future. A thread like this is only in existence not for incendiary reasons, but because it's real, and looking away doesn't help any but the ignorant. Armstrong disgusts me, but I do support Livestrong.

Hey, I hear Jens is on the mend and a lot of great cycling happening now in the U.S. Not to mention Euro crits...onward!

I totally agree. I feel now that LA is back that he has stolen my enjoyment of cycling from me. I've been robbed. I had to endure VERSUS embossing him in gold for the entire three weeks of coverage. His face is on most of my cycling magazines. etc etc. I go to these threads because at least I can hang with others that see the truth of him. It gives me some comfort. But I still feel really peeved that he is back, ruining my favorite sport again.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
You rent clowns? There isn't a "Perverted Sexual Acts" section of this forum, so I'd keep things like that to myself if I were you.

And another "Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha!" (also known as LMAO) :)
 
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