Armstrong Misleads & Swindles Livestrong Donors

[thehog]

You missed my point. RLSmith was trying to find assistance or suggestions for how to get a followup done ..a simple checkup….not "cancer treatment" or procedures…He was simply asking for some references or direction to places/agencies that help those that have no insurance or money.
THAT is what LS touts itself as "doing" ..what the hell was the LS guy wasting his time with Smith then..?? trolling for $$ ?

speaking of the t-word..

I didn't miss your point.

Smith had cancer. If he called you, what would you tell him? Where would you "navigate" him too?

Is there some magical resource here in the US where you send cancer people?

Smith could had medical cover if there was health cover by his own county and it's people.

Unless you're willing to open the doors of your own home I'm not sure why you are suggesting someone else should.

When you've been there you know. There is literally no where to go. Hence why he is so angry.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I didn't miss your point.

Smith had cancer. If he called you, what would you tell him? Where would you "navigate" him too?

Is there some magical resource here in the US where you send cancer people?

Smith could had medical cover if there was health cover by his own county and it's people.

Unless you're willing to open the doors of your own home I'm not sure why you are suggesting someone else should.

When you've been there you know. There is literally no where to go. Hence why he is so angry.

I think your US healthcare comments and criticisms belong in some other thread here...

you are playing the confusion game here and we are holding two different convos..

next..

 

[Race Radio]

I didn't miss your point.

Smith had cancer. If he called you, what would you tell him? Where would you "navigate" him too?

Is there some magical resource here in the US where you send cancer people?

Smith could had medical cover if there was health cover by his own county and it's people.

Unless you're willing to open the doors of your own home I'm not sure why you are suggesting someone else should.

When you've been there you know. There is literally no where to go. Hence why he is so angry.

There actually are free services for a person in his position in most states. Free Breast, Cervical and Colorectal Cancer Screenings are widely offered. JT is from Colorado and in Colorado they offer inexpensive screenings for a wide variety of things

http://www.9healthfair.org/find/screenings.aspx

Most of the screenings are under $40

The odd thing is Livestrong is supposedly about survivorship, life after cancer. JT had already been through treatment he was looking for guidance on his post treatment screenings.

It is surprising that a senior person at Livestrong would chose to sell him on a bike ride with Lance instead of giving him some simple guidance on some of the free/inexpensive services available to him

 

[thehog]

I think your US healthcare comments and criticisms belong in some other thread here...

you are playing the confusion game here and we are holding two different convos..

next..

True. But I felt important to separate healthcare and charity and their differing responsibilities.

It's never as simple as good and bad.

Smith called Livestong, they didn't contact him. Additionally Armstrong had set him up with Doctors at diagnosis and through his treatment.

If there was healthcare he wouldn't need "favours". No one would.

I'd like you to think about it. Think what it's like to be diagnosed and in remission and were you go in a system that is pay as you go.

No need to reply. What is needed is some thought.

You and I have a good history. I don't wish to spoil that

 

[mewmewmew13]

True. But I felt important to separate healthcare and charity and their differing responsibilities.

It's never as simple as good and bad.

Smith called Livestong, they didn't contact him. Additionally Armstrong had set him up with Doctors at diagnosis and through his treatment.

If there was healthcare he wouldn't need "favours". No one would.

I'd like you to think about it. Think what it's like to be diagnosed and in remission and were you go in a system that is pay as you go.

No need to reply. What is needed is some thought.

You and I have a good history. I don't wish to spoil that

hoggie this doesn't sound like you…
are you drugged?

 

[Hugh Januss]

True. But I felt important to separate healthcare and charity and their differing responsibilities.

It's never as simple as good and bad.

Smith called Livestong, they didn't contact him. Additionally Armstrong had set him up with Doctors at diagnosis and through his treatment.

If there was healthcare he wouldn't need "favours". No one would.

I'd like you to think about it. Think what it's like to be diagnosed and in remission and were you go in a system that is pay as you go.

No need to reply. What is needed is some thought.

You and I have a good history. I don't wish to spoil that

M'kay that whole post is a steaming pile of poopy. Welcome back, I thought you should not have been banned for as long as you were but.............

 

[Alpe73]

you are playing the confusion game here ...

Not at all ... theHog is just discussing/debating the issue of 'realistic expectations' one can have when faced with disease ... including expectations one could have of Livestrong.org. A brief YouTubeclip doesn't shed enough light to conclude that Smith was truly shafted by LS. If you gather more reliable information that he truly was shafted by LS, I am sure many of us would like to hear it.

 

[Race Radio]

Not at all ... theHog is just discussing/debating the issue of 'realistic expectations' one can have when faced with disease ... including expectations one could have of Livestrong.org. A brief YouTubeclip doesn't shed enough light to conclude that Smith was truly shafted by LS. If you gather more reliable information that he truly was shafted by LS, I am sure many of us would like to hear it.

It is pretty simple.

JT had finished his treatment

He was looking for guidance on free/low cost cancer screenings, a service that is widely available

Livestrong tried to sell him a $4,000 bike ride.

I don't think JT was shafted but a donor who gave money to livestrong to help fund their sponsorship guidance services might feel his money was not used in the most effective way

 

[MarkvW]

It is pretty simple.

JT had finished his treatment

He was looking for guidance on free/low cost cancer screenings, a service that is widely available

Livestrong tried to sell him a $4,000 bike ride.

I don't think JT was shafted but a donor who gave money to livestrong to help fund their sponsorship guidance services might feel his money was not used in the most effective way

Wonder how much Livestrong paid Armstrong for his services when he did such rides.

 

[Alpe73]

It is pretty simple.

Baloney ....



[/QUOTE]He was looking for guidance on free/low cost cancer screenings, a service that is widely available[/QUOTE]
Reasonable expectation.

[/QUOTE]Livestrong tried to sell him a $4,000 bike ride.[/QUOTE]
The details on this supposed incident would be worth fleshing out.

[/QUOTE]I don't think JT was shafted[/QUOTE]
Good to hear.

[/QUOTE] but a donor who gave money to livestrong to help fund their sponsorship guidance services might feel his money was not used in the most effective way[/QUOTE]
Absolutely ... that's why the details, context and frequency of such purported incidents are worth examination.

 

[mewmewmew13]

What's your point Alpe?
you seem in agreement

 

[thehog]

hoggie this doesn't sound like you…
are you drugged?

No, not drugged. Just talking from actual experience.

We have to remember Smith received support from Armstrong and his Doctors as favors.

Most don't get that. In fact no one does. Livestong should never have the opportunity to prey on people in that situation.

Your taxes should have supported that.

Do you know how people below the income line know they have cancer? And it's not through screening. It's when they die.

 

[Race Radio]

Baloney ....

It is legitimate to question if the event actually happened, or if JT is recalling it correct....... but it appears we agree that if JT is telling the truth then it is Livestrong that is "baloney"

 

[Race Radio]

No, not drugged. Just talking from actual experience.

We have to remember Smith received support from Armstrong and his Doctors as favors.

Most don't get that. In fact no one does. Livestong should never have the opportunity to prey on people in that situation.

Your taxes should have supported that.

Do you know how people below the income line know they have cancer? And it's not through screening. It's when they die.

Cool story Bro.

This thread is about Livestrong and how they use donors funds to provide, or in the case of JT not provide, services to the cancer community.

There is a thread here
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15662&page=1381

Where you can discuss the other stuff.

 

[Alpe73]

but it appears we agree that if JT is telling the truth then it is Livestrong that is "baloney"

If JT was truly shafted (in other words, other reliable/credible sources would see his treatment from LS as deplorable) then that incident is terrible. If such an incident of supposed deplorable treatment by LS employees was replicated on numerous occasions, then I would agree that that area of LS-patient interaction is baloney. There may well remain other arms of the organization that perform equal to or better than their peers.

 

[thehog]

Good post, hog. Rehab has treated you well ;-)

I do like to look beyond the varnish.

A lot of miles btw during rehab. In the snow.

Skinny as a cigarette!

 

[Race Radio]

If JT was truly shafted (in other words, other reliable/credible sources would see his treatment from LS as deplorable) then that incident is terrible. If such an incident of supposed deplorable treatment by LS employees was replicated on numerous occasions, then I would agree that that area of LS-patient interaction is baloney. There may well remain other arms of the organization that perform equal to or better than their peers.

Agreed. In fact this incident happened many years ago, almost a decade. Back then Livestrong was primarily a promotional tool for Lance. These days they have resources to address just these types of questions. I doubt someone would get the same response today......besides nobody is paying $4,000 to ride with Lance anymore

 

[Scott SoCal]

Agreed. In fact this incident happened many years ago, almost a decade. Back then Livestrong was primarily a promotional tool for Lance. These days they have resources to address just these types of questions. I doubt someone would get the same response today......besides nobody is paying $4,000 to ride with Lance anymore

Hombre de Subaru paid twice that to clean LA's pool.

 

[thehog]

Wonder how much Livestrong paid Armstrong for his services when he did such rides.

Armstrong didn't do the rides. What was expected was you'd raise the money and keep the difference.

Then you might get a front row at Ride for the Roses and 10 minutes with Armstrong.

Armstrong was paid as a board member and president (for a period).

Now there was a whole other sham going on with the corporate world and individuals whereby they'd pay money to ride directly with Armstrong. The story goes that 20% was in Armstrong's pocket as they asked the participates to bring cash to the event after paying entry fee/donation.

Smith was offered to raise money to assist in funding his remission checkups. He'd received treatment from Armstrong personally when diagnosed.

He called once and got treatment. He called again and he did not.

Sad reality is that you need insurance in the US. If he lived in Costa Rica he'd be fine.

 

[MarkvW]

Armstrong didn't do the rides. What was expected was you'd raise the money and keep the difference.

Then you might get a front row at Ride for the Roses and 10 minutes with Armstrong.

Armstrong was paid as a board member and president (for a period).

Now there was a whole other sham going on with the corporate world and individuals whereby they'd pay money to ride directly with Armstrong. The story goes that 20% was in Armstrong's pocket as they asked the participates to bring cash to the event after paying entry fee/donation.

Smith was offered to raise money to assist in funding his remission checkups. He'd received treatment from Armstrong personally when diagnosed.

He called once and got treatment. He called again and he did not.

Sad reality is that you need insurance in the US. If he lived in Costa Rica he'd be fine.

What about the Canadian ride?

 

[thehog]

What about the Canadian ride?

Not sure what the question relates to.

It's worth watching the video again: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5QfmKivPwjI

Smith is right. LS is a bunch if ***. But he admits he has no health cover or insurance. That in itself in the US is a death sentence. Not sure many outside the US knows what that actually means. It means no health care. Nada. Unless you take a loan, remortgage or borrow money.

Sad but true.

I'd forget Armstrong in this case and concentrate on the Affordable Care Act.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I think since you said The Lance doesn't do any rides Mark pointed about the ride in Canada. I could be wrong.

Armstrong didn't do the rides. What was expected was you'd raise the money and keep the difference.

Then you might get a front row at Ride for the Roses and 10 minutes with Armstrong.

Armstrong was paid as a board member and president (for a period).

Now there was a whole other sham going on with the corporate world and individuals whereby they'd pay money to ride directly with Armstrong. The story goes that 20% was in Armstrong's pocket as they asked the participates to bring cash to the event after paying entry fee/donation.

Smith was offered to raise money to assist in funding his remission checkups. He'd received treatment from Armstrong personally when diagnosed.

He called once and got treatment. He called again and he did not.

Sad reality is that you need insurance in the US. If he lived in Costa Rica he'd be fine.

What about the Canadian ride?

 

[Alpe73]

Smith is right. LS is a bunch if ***.

You and Mr. Smith have a right to your opinion. The major organizations that rate cancer charities in the US, go a bit beyond anecdotes and opinion in evaluating such charities. To suggest that Livestrong.org is a "bunch of ***" is just the tired beating of a drum that refuses to or is too lazy to differentiate between a decent organization and the founder who many on this site loathe.

Why not check it out.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=13379#.Uxl3E_mSySo

and

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?keyword_list=American+Cancer&Submit2=GO&bay=search.results

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Thank you, thehog.

respect from me too.

 

[Benotti69]

Smith had cancer. Was in remission. If he called you what would you do? What would you say?

If i was running a cancer 'charity', the last thing i would have told him is bring $4000 and you can ride your bike with Lance.

Saying other countries have different health care is missing the point.

Livewrong were supposed to be a cancer 'charity' for people with cancer, but we know it aint, it is a slush fund for a few.