Armstrong Misleads & Swindles Livestrong Donors

[Benotti69]

I believe they feel that enough money is dumped into the "finding the cure" realm.

They focus on helping people with navigating the ridiculous amount of information, finding resources and dealing with that silly nonsense that is the medical field in the US as it relates to cancer.

This video begs to differ.

Livewrong are a fraud.

 

[zigmeister]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QfmKivPwjI&list=UUaW0eZOsteJZsitdAN_ZLAg&feature=c4-overview


RL Smith, owner of In-Step Boulder, talks about his experience dealing with the LiveStrong Foundation after being diagnosed with testicular cancer.


Hopefully the 'livewrong' foundation will get found out sooner rather than later

Ok, I feel for this guy, but name me one single cancer non-profit organization that will actually pay for your treatment? That is basically the question (hearsay/conjecture) he posed to the guy he happened to meet that supposedly worked for Livestrong.

The guy was broke, no insurance, probably spent 100K on his biking/competing over the past several years, a luxury, and then talks about how much he spent on treatment, again, buy some health insurance buddy, Obamacare isn't free either had it been today, so you have to take ownership/responsibility for yourself.

Call the American Cancer Society, or any other non-profit "cancer" organization for that matter, ask them "what form you can fill out" that will pay your bills for treatment.

You will get the exact same response, there is no form to fill out, but maybe you can mortgage your home if you have one to cover it.

Just playing Devil's advocate here when talking health care in general in the US. You have money, you will get the best treatment available, that is true with anywhere in the World typically. If you are broke and spent all of your money/time on competing/cycling, don't have health insurance, as he didn't, then get upset because some jerkoff said raise some money and you can ride with Lance (stupid obviously), but the guy knows the system, and was probably like is this guy serious? What, does he expect everybody to pay/deal with his medical bills for him?

Peruse through one of the largest Cancer advocate/non-profits in the US regarding financial issues..not a word about how they will help you with financing anything, that isn't what any of them do except for some children's hospitals, like St. Jude and a few that are dedicated to helping really disadvantaged and dire needs. Again, for children.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/fin...t/understandingfinancialandlegalmatters/index

 

[blackcat]

Holy double cr@p
I am stunned…not surprised..

this poor guy is an excellent speaker and his story is a shock..
I'm posting this on my Facebook page as well this instant

thanx both of you posters for the link

join Betsy Andreu's FB. She is a doping clearance desk/weigh station, everything comes across her desk gets on the FB page of hers.

 

[blackcat]

Ok, I feel for this guy, but name me one single cancer non-profit organization that will actually pay for your treatment? That is basically the question (hearsay/conjecture) he posed to the guy he happened to meet that supposedly worked for Livestrong.

The guy was broke, no insurance, probably spent 100K on his biking/competing over the past several years, a luxury, and then talks about how much he spent on treatment, again, buy some health insurance buddy, Obamacare isn't free either had it been today, so you have to take ownership/responsibility for yourself.

Call the American Cancer Society, or any other non-profit "cancer" organization for that matter, ask them "what form you can fill out" that will pay your bills for treatment.

You will get the exact same response, there is no form to fill out, but maybe you can mortgage your home if you have one to cover it.

Just playing Devil's advocate here when talking health care in general in the US. You have money, you will get the best treatment available, that is true with anywhere in the World typically. If you are broke and spent all of your money/time on competing/cycling, don't have health insurance, as he didn't, then get upset because some jerkoff said raise some money and you can ride with Lance (stupid obviously), but the guy knows the system, and was probably like is this guy serious? What, does he expect everybody to pay/deal with his medical bills for him?

Peruse through one of the largest Cancer advocate/non-profits in the US regarding financial issues..not a word about how they will help you with financing anything, that isn't what any of them do except for some children's hospitals, like St. Jude and a few that are dedicated to helping really disadvantaged and dire needs. Again, for children.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/fin...t/understandingfinancialandlegalmatters/index

actually, this was POST cancer treatment, when he had been given the OK. But he had not seen an oncologist or another specialist in one year. He was inquiring about options and opportunities.

other than filling Lance's pocket with 4k a'course

 

[blackcat]

What is really needed is a forensic audit to determine how much money Livestrong.org in what ever fashion paid to Armstrong personally or to his cash cow machine Livestrong.com.

I am thinking of speaking fees, travel expenses etc., anything. Now that might be revealing and fraudulent, because anything LA did he did on the premise he was a clean cyclist now known as The Armstrong Lie!

they usually managed to do it like the trip to Canada a few years back, when he was between his pro career, ostensibly retired, and the 50k that the rich businessman had to pay to Livestrong, never really went to Livestrong, it went into his pocket.

100 businessman, 50k per, two days. you do da math

 

[Benotti69]

..........its my yellow wristband and i will not take it off..............

Livewrong = fraud.

 

[blackcat]

ziggy should know the excess units are now put to use as c0ck rings in gay clubs.

 

[Benotti69]

ziggy should know the excess units are now put to use as c0ck rings in gay clubs.

It might just be possible that they are now in use as 'salad tossing rings'...

 

[Alpe73]

Alpe,

The point is for all the money that LivestrongLIE takes from dying and sympathetic people all across the World they offer very little.

The Residents that work for me could sit down with a case of Diet caffeinated drinks and crunch out an 'informative' vapid website like that. It does not aid in research, formulate new therapeutic Chemo or XRT regimes essentially nothing. Notta.

LS does nothing, just like Chris Carmichael does for training cyclists.

It is worse than an a dismal website and organization, it inappropriately shunts money away from actual beneficial Charities where real medical funding for research is happening.

That is malelovent.

You didn't read my post, did you. You had one eye on the Jerry Springer show.

 

[Race Radio]

spent 100K on his biking/competing over the past several years, a luxury, and then talks about how much he spent on treatment

......Link?

 

[Alpe73]

Ok, I feel for this guy, but name me one single cancer non-profit organization that will actually pay for your treatment? That is basically the question (hearsay/conjecture) he posed to the guy he happened to meet that supposedly worked for Livestrong.

The guy was broke, no insurance, probably spent 100K on his biking/competing over the past several years, a luxury, and then talks about how much he spent on treatment, again, buy some health insurance buddy, Obamacare isn't free either had it been today, so you have to take ownership/responsibility for yourself.

Call the American Cancer Society, or any other non-profit "cancer" organization for that matter, ask them "what form you can fill out" that will pay your bills for treatment.

You will get the exact same response, there is no form to fill out, but maybe you can mortgage your home if you have one to cover it.

Just playing Devil's advocate here when talking health care in general in the US. You have money, you will get the best treatment available, that is true with anywhere in the World typically. If you are broke and spent all of your money/time on competing/cycling, don't have health insurance, as he didn't, then get upset because some jerkoff said raise some money and you can ride with Lance (stupid obviously), but the guy knows the system, and was probably like is this guy serious? What, does he expect everybody to pay/deal with his medical bills for him?

Peruse through one of the largest Cancer advocate/non-profits in the US regarding financial issues..not a word about how they will help you with financing anything, that isn't what any of them do except for some children's hospitals, like St. Jude and a few that are dedicated to helping really disadvantaged and dire needs. Again, for children.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/fin...t/understandingfinancialandlegalmatters/index

Your common sense is serious, risky business, man.

 

[mewmewmew13]

join Betsy Andreu's FB. She is a doping clearance desk/weigh station, everything comes across her desk gets on the FB page of hers.

I am on it already

 

[mewmewmew13]

Ok, I feel for this guy, but name me one single cancer non-profit organization that will actually pay for your treatment? That is basically the question (hearsay/conjecture) he posed to the guy he happened to meet that supposedly worked for Livestrong.

The guy was broke, no insurance, probably spent 100K on his biking/competing over the past several years, a luxury, and then talks about how much he spent on treatment, again, buy some health insurance buddy, Obamacare isn't free either had it been today, so you have to take ownership/responsibility for yourself.

Call the American Cancer Society, or any other non-profit "cancer" organization for that matter, ask them "what form you can fill out" that will pay your bills for treatment.

You will get the exact same response, there is no form to fill out, but maybe you can mortgage your home if you have one to cover it.

Just playing Devil's advocate here when talking health care in general in the US. You have money, you will get the best treatment available, that is true with anywhere in the World typically. If you are broke and spent all of your money/time on competing/cycling, don't have health insurance, as he didn't, then get upset because some jerkoff said raise some money and you can ride with Lance (stupid obviously), but the guy knows the system, and was probably like is this guy serious? What, does he expect everybody to pay/deal with his medical bills for him?

Peruse through one of the largest Cancer advocate/non-profits in the US regarding financial issues..not a word about how they will help you with financing anything, that isn't what any of them do except for some children's hospitals, like St. Jude and a few that are dedicated to helping really disadvantaged and dire needs. Again, for children.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/fin...t/understandingfinancialandlegalmatters/index

exactly what blackcat says ziggie
this was POST treatment and he was trying to find a little support and help..which is what I thought LS should be there for…
y'know to help him find some agencies or places that might help someone w cancer issues and needs...

 

[Neworld]

You didn't read my post, did you. You had one eye on the Jerry Springer show.

You're right, my fault.

One eye was on tradecentre actually. Apologies.

 

[Alpe73]

One eye was on tradecentre actually.

Grapes luvs ya, baby.

 

[Neworld]

Grapes luvs ya, baby.

Grapes....blaaah. I like his passion but he is not a fair representative of Hockey, at least the part I love.

I am trying to find that quote for RR et al. ...about the highly profitable and illegal, non-taxed/non-claimed income, that LA generated in Alberta back in 2005-2006. I knew of some men that did it, and my friends out there may be able to track them down for a direct response.

That will soon be exposed, regardless.

 

[thehog]

exactly what blackcat says ziggie
this was POST treatment and he was trying to find a little support and help..which is what I thought LS should be there for…
y'know to help him find some agencies or places that might help someone w cancer issues and needs...

You’re viewing this too simply.

Some context if I may;

There are two distinct issues here.

The first being healthcare in the US. Mr. Smith never should have found himself in the position that he was in. If he lived in the UK, Western Europe, Australia, Canada, most of the middle east etc. he wouldn’t have faced the prospect that he did with no cover. Most of the modernized world provides free health cover to its citizens. South America provides this service albeit with poorer infrastructure.

Now there is a political and philosophical view in the US that “our” taxes shouldn’t have to pay for the health cover of those less fortunate or whom have no cover. Probably not a debate for this thread. However a good portion of the civilized world has centralized and free health cover for its citizens.

Anywhere else in the world Mr. Smith would have been seen by a doctor for his monthly blood numbers and remission tests (as an aside the Affordable care Act is trying to change some of this).

The second point is, yes, Livestrong. Because of this unique situation in the US whereby medical cover is not a right, people are left hanging not knowing which way to go. Livestrong’s game was (or is) survivorship. They would assist and help you navigate your way around the process of hospitals, treatments, insurance companies etc. They were never a entity to provide health cover or fund treatment etc. as in Smith’s case.

Trust me when diagnosed, the Doctor who tells you will give you around 10-15 minutes per day as he has 40+ patients to get through on a typical oncology ward. A good resource is very helpful. Livestrong is that resource as there are so many more out there who are much better and don’t require donations as precursor to assisting you.

When diagnosed you have to make some very quick and life determining decisions. Do we try to conceive children now?, to operate or not operate, chemo, radiation etc. Not only are you adjusting to the fact your life will change forever but you have to make decisions about your life and you don’t know what impact those decisions will have. Several groups step in here and offer advice and most if not all are charities.

In the example Smith gave to “raise $4000” their working model was that Livestrong would provide volunteers, Livestrong merchandise and you would hold an event for your loved one and raise money. If for example you raised $6000, Livestrong would get $4000 and you would keep the $2000 for yourself to pay for treatment etc. As an aside this work was sourced out to local providers and was not done by LS. I assume the premise here is you’d bank on the golden name of Livestrong & Lance for your event so you could raise more money for your loved one and for Livestrong (Lance). I also know that certain dollar amounts raised received personal “kickers” – i.e. if you raised 10k is was a riding with Lance on the front row of Ride for the Roses, 20k got a personal ride etc. that sort of thing.

Now this is not too different than what charities do for entries into the marathons etc. If you want to run London or New York and don’t want to risk a ballot you can buy a place via a charity. Your only requirement was to raise x amount for y charity.

I had experience with the MacMillian foundation in the UK who would send out nurses to people’s home for comfort etc. All that came mostly from donations. That type of work had real and dramatic effects to a person whom has cancer and their family. Compare that to Livestrong and they are streets ahead.

My abject criticism of Livestrong has always been the way it promoted itself and its attempt to profit from the commercial arm. The fact they spent so much on promotion, nice office space etc. and so little on actual ground level work was deplorable. Most of what they did was an excuse for junkets, rides with Lance and corporate hospitality events. I very much doubt they will survive beyond the next year or two.

However the crux of the issue comes down to healthcare and the lack of healthcare in the US for those without insurance and coverage. That really was the issue with Smith. If he lived in Canada he wouldn’t need Lance, Livestrong or an insurance provider.

Yes Armstrong deserves all he gets here but a good look at our government is a better place to start. I happily let my taxes pay for the health care of others. Always have. Many do not. It's really a question if we as taxes payers accept the will to support others.

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

I am trying to find that quote for RR et al. ...about the highly profitable and illegal, non-taxed/non-claimed income, that LA generated in Alberta back in 2005-2006. I knew of some men that did it, and my friends out there may be able to track them down for a direct response.

Linky linky

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-860283

 

[mewmewmew13]

You’re viewing this too simply.

Some context if I may;

There are two distinct issues here.

The first being healthcare in the US. Mr. Smith never should have found himself in the position that he was in. If he lived in the UK, Western Europe, Australia, Canada, most of the middle east etc. he wouldn’t have faced the prospect that he did with no cover. Most of the modernized world provides free health cover to its citizens. South America provides this service albeit with poorer infrastructure.

Now there is a political and philosophical view in the US that “our” taxes shouldn’t have to pay for the health cover of those less fortunate or whom have no cover. Probably not a debate for this thread. However a good portion of the civilized world has centralized and free health cover for its citizens.

Anywhere else in the world Mr. Smith would have been seen by a doctor for his monthly blood numbers and remission tests (as an aside the Affordable care Act is trying to change some of this).

The second point is, yes, Livestrong. Because of this unique situation in the US whereby medical cover is not a right, people are left hanging not knowing which way to go. Livestrong’s game was (or is) survivorship. They would assist and help you navigate your way around the process of hospitals, treatments, insurance companies etc. They were never a entity to provide health cover or fund treatment etc. as in Smith’s case.

Trust me when diagnosed, the Doctor who tells you will give you around 10-15 minutes per day as he has 40+ patients to get through on a typical oncology ward. A good resource is very helpful. Livestrong is that resource as there are so many more out there who are much better and don’t require donations as precursor to assisting you.

When diagnosed you have to make some very quick and life determining decisions. Do we try to conceive children now?, to operate or not operate, chemo, radiation etc. Not only are you adjusting to the fact your life will change forever but you have to make decisions about your life and you don’t know what impact those decisions will have. Several groups step in here and offer advice and most if not all are charities.

In the example Smith gave to “raise $4000” their working model was that Livestrong would provide volunteers, Livestrong merchandise and you would hold an event for your loved one and raise money. If for example you raised $6000, Livestrong would get $4000 and you would keep the $2000 for yourself to pay for treatment etc. As an aside this work was sourced out to local providers and was not done by LS. I assume the premise here is you’d bank on the golden name of Livestrong & Lance for your event so you could raise more money for your loved one and for Livestrong (Lance). I also know that certain dollar amounts raised received personal “kickers” – i.e. if you raised 10k is was a riding with Lance on the front row of Ride for the Roses, 20k got a personal ride etc. that sort of thing.

Now this is not too different than what charities do for entries into the marathons etc. If you want to run London or New York and don’t want to risk a ballot you can buy a place via a charity. Your only requirement was to raise x amount for y charity.

I had experience with the MacMillian foundation in the UK who would send out nurses to people’s home for comfort etc. All that came mostly from donations. That type of work had real and dramatic effects to a person whom has cancer and their family. Compare that to Livestrong and they are streets ahead.

My abject criticism of Livestrong has always been the way it promoted itself and its attempt to profit from the commercial arm. The fact they spent so much on promotion, nice office space etc. and so little on actual ground level work was deplorable. Most of what they did was an excuse for junkets, rides with Lance and corporate hospitality events. I very much doubt they will survive beyond the next year or two.

However the crux of the issue comes down to healthcare and the lack of healthcare in the US for those without insurance and coverage. That really was the issue with Smith. If he lived in Canada he wouldn’t need Lance, Livestrong or an insurance provider.

Yes Armstrong deserves all he gets here but a good look at our government is a better place to start. I happily let my taxes pay for the health care of others. Always have. Many do not. It's really a question if we as taxes payers accept the will to support others.

hoggie am I supposed to read all that??

yes our health care is abysmal..

my hit on what RL was asking was exactly what you say that LS is supposed to do. ...assist and help you navigate your way around the process of hospitals, treatments, insurance companies etc…but that didn't appear to be what happened.

is it good to be back?

 

[veganrob]

You’re viewing this too simply.

Some context if I may;

There are two distinct issues here.

The first being healthcare in the US. Mr. Smith never should have found himself in the position that he was in. If he lived in the UK, Western Europe, Australia, Canada, most of the middle east etc. he wouldn’t have faced the prospect that he did with no cover. Most of the modernized world provides free health cover to its citizens. South America provides this service albeit with poorer infrastructure.

Now there is a political and philosophical view in the US that “our” taxes shouldn’t have to pay for the health cover of those less fortunate or whom have no cover. Probably not a debate for this thread. However a good portion of the civilized world has centralized and free health cover for its citizens.

Anywhere else in the world Mr. Smith would have been seen by a doctor for his monthly blood numbers and remission tests (as an aside the Affordable care Act is trying to change some of this).

The second point is, yes, Livestrong. Because of this unique situation in the US whereby medical cover is not a right, people are left hanging not knowing which way to go. Livestrong’s game was (or is) survivorship. They would assist and help you navigate your way around the process of hospitals, treatments, insurance companies etc. They were never a entity to provide health cover or fund treatment etc. as in Smith’s case.

Trust me when diagnosed, the Doctor who tells you will give you around 10-15 minutes per day as he has 40+ patients to get through on a typical oncology ward. A good resource is very helpful. Livestrong is that resource as there are so many more out there who are much better and don’t require donations as precursor to assisting you.

When diagnosed you have to make some very quick and life determining decisions. Do we try to conceive children now?, to operate or not operate, chemo, radiation etc. Not only are you adjusting to the fact your life will change forever but you have to make decisions about your life and you don’t know what impact those decisions will have. Several groups step in here and offer advice and most if not all are charities.

In the example Smith gave to “raise $4000” their working model was that Livestrong would provide volunteers, Livestrong merchandise and you would hold an event for your loved one and raise money. If for example you raised $6000, Livestrong would get $4000 and you would keep the $2000 for yourself to pay for treatment etc. As an aside this work was sourced out to local providers and was not done by LS. I assume the premise here is you’d bank on the golden name of Livestrong & Lance for your event so you could raise more money for your loved one and for Livestrong (Lance). I also know that certain dollar amounts raised received personal “kickers” – i.e. if you raised 10k is was a riding with Lance on the front row of Ride for the Roses, 20k got a personal ride etc. that sort of thing.

Now this is not too different than what charities do for entries into the marathons etc. If you want to run London or New York and don’t want to risk a ballot you can buy a place via a charity. Your only requirement was to raise x amount for y charity.

I had experience with the MacMillian foundation in the UK who would send out nurses to people’s home for comfort etc. All that came mostly from donations. That type of work had real and dramatic effects to a person whom has cancer and their family. Compare that to Livestrong and they are streets ahead.

My abject criticism of Livestrong has always been the way it promoted itself and its attempt to profit from the commercial arm. The fact they spent so much on promotion, nice office space etc. and so little on actual ground level work was deplorable. Most of what they did was an excuse for junkets, rides with Lance and corporate hospitality events. I very much doubt they will survive beyond the next year or two.

However the crux of the issue comes down to healthcare and the lack of healthcare in the US for those without insurance and coverage. That really was the issue with Smith. If he lived in Canada he wouldn’t need Lance, Livestrong or an insurance provider.

Yes Armstrong deserves all he gets here but a good look at our government is a better place to start. I happily let my taxes pay for the health care of others. Always have. Many do not. It's really a question if we as taxes payers accept the will to support others.

Thank you, thehog.

 

[thehog]

hoggie am I supposed to read all that??

yes our health care is abysmal..

my hit on what RL was asking was exactly what you say that LS is supposed to do. ...assist and help you navigate your way around the process of hospitals, treatments, insurance companies etc…but that didn't appear to be what happened.

is it good to be back?

Yes you are suppose to read all of that. Because I know it's makes you feel uncomfortable. You should read it.

It's way too easy to pass of off as a Lance problem.

Smith had cancer. Was in remission. If he called you what would you do? What would you say?

And that is the point. There is no other "place" or "thing" you send people with that "condition" to.

I hope you understand the point. Whist you rely on Livestrong doing something they are not there to replace the government healthcare tax contributions or what we can do as taxpayers.

What can you do?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You’re viewing this too simply.

Good post, hog. Rehab has treated you well ;-)

 

[mewmewmew13]

Yes you are suppose to read all of that. Because I know it's makes you feel uncomfortable. You should read it.

It's way too easy to pass of off as a Lance problem.

Smith had cancer. Was in remission. If he called you what would you do? What would you say?

And that is the point. There is no other "place" or "thing" you send people with that "condition" to.

I hope you understand the point. Whist you rely on Livestrong doing something they are not there to replace the government healthcare tax contributions or what we can do as taxpayers.

What can you do?

You missed my point. RLSmith was trying to find assistance or suggestions for how to get a followup done ..a simple checkup….not "cancer treatment" or procedures…He was simply asking for some references or direction to places/agencies that help those that have no insurance or money.
THAT is what LS touts itself as "doing" ..what the hell was the LS guy wasting his time with Smith then..?? trolling for $$ ?

speaking of the t-word..

 

[Race Radio]

THAT is what LS touts itself as "doing" ..what the hell was the LS guy wasting his time with Smith then..?? trolling for $$ ?

Raising awareness of Lance. At the time this was Livestrong's primary job

 

[blackcat]

Raising awareness of Lance. At the time this was Livestrong's primary job

the bernie madoff pyramid swindle.

promote Lance, Lance get high 7 figure per annum Nike contract, Nike gives some wristband moolah to LS, LS promotes Lance, Lance gets new Nike contract on bigger bucks, LS promotes Lance more thru the wazoo.

rinse. repeat.

ad infinitum