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"Armstrong to blame for his own cancer"

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My weak position?

You said Deepwater Horizon was an unpreventable accident.

I said it was criminal negligence.

That issue was very straitforward, as evidenced by a few summary sentences.

You seem to think LA's cancer was inevitable. Who knows?

I think LA was playing with fire by having Comical inject him with cortisone when he was 18 and then throwing a lot more fuel on the fire in his early 20's.

Therefore, IMHO as well as the opinion of Sonnen, LA gave himself cancer.

Let him sue me.:D

Hey, if you want to take a highly carcinogenic brew of performance enhancing substances, go ahead, but I'd advise against it.

PS, maybe LA was 13 or 14 when he started gearing up?

There will always be industrial accidents and some of them aren't preventable. The drilling rig discussion was happening way before alot of facts were known and you were quick to the draw on blaming the people. In hindsight, you were right, but since I know a little about engineering I know there are certain risks to everything that cannot be mitigated. All we can do is build enough safety factors into design and regulate enough to ensure the best possible odds that nothing will happen, but they still will. Airplanes will still fall out of the sky, etc. C'est la vie.

Then you totally went cuckoo with the space shuttle to try to muddy up the discussion. ;)

Moving on, I have no idea if his cancer was inevitable or not. I do know it is wrong IMO to publicly state it was due to drugs as fact on a radio interview. Regardless of what you think of me, Mr. Wheat, I have a sense of fair play and slandering anybody like that, even somebody I hate, is wrong IMO. And, as I stated LA is in a PR/legal bind and cannot do anything about it. Of course, that is of his own doing but that doesn't mean I think he or anybody deserves that.

Finally, I have no idea if he started using PEDs when he was 13. Why stop there? Why not say the doc slapped a testosterone patch on his forehead as soon as it popped out? You shouldn't limit yourself in your conjecture. This forum would be no fun if we all started doing that. :rolleyes:
 

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There will always be industrial accidents and some of them aren't preventable. The drilling rig discussion was happening way before alot of facts were known and you were quick to the draw on blaming the people. In hindsight, you were right, but since I know a little about engineering I know there are certain risks to everything that cannot be mitigated. All we can do is build enough safety factors into design and regulate enough to ensure the best possible odds that nothing will happen, but they still will. Airplanes will still fall out of the sky, etc. C'est la vie.

Then you totally went cuckoo with the space shuttle to try to muddy up the discussion. ;)

Moving on, I have no idea if his cancer was inevitable or not. I do know it is wrong IMO to publicly state it was due to drugs as fact on a radio interview. Regardless of what you think of me, Mr. Wheat, I have a sense of fair play and slandering anybody like that, even somebody I hate, is wrong IMO. And, as I stated LA is in a PR/legal bind and cannot do anything about it. Of course, that is of his own doing but that doesn't mean I think he or anybody deserves that.

Finally, I have no idea if he started using PEDs when he was 13. Why stop there? Why not say the doc slapped a testosterone patch on his forehead as soon as it popped out? You shouldn't limit yourself in your conjecture. This forum would be no fun if we all started doing that. :rolleyes:

As to the your first bolded statement. You brought that argument up to prove your point. As anyone who has even a passing knowledge of that episode is aware, it proved that these "accidents," are no accident thereby proving my point.

Here's the report, it proves forseeability, preventability, and intentional negligence, even though it was watered down by politics.

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/51-l/docs/rogers-commission/table-of-contents.html

As for the second bolded comment, I'm going to turn over a new leaf and become a liar, and present this comment as proof the Pharmstrong was doping @ 13. Thanks! Here's how it looks.

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doc slapped a testosterone patch on his forehead as soon as it popped out

"It" being Pharmstrong.

BTW, did you write the screenplay for Silence of the Lambs?
 

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Allright everyone, step away from the off-topic talk and let's continue about the topic at hand. The fighter accusing Armstrong of creating his own cancer
 
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As to the your first bolded statement. You brought that argument up to prove your point. As anyone who has even a passing knowledge of that episode is aware, it proved that these "accidents," are no accident thereby proving my point.

Here's the report, it proves forseeability, preventability, and intentional negligence, even though it was watered down by politics.

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/missions/51-l/docs/rogers-commission/table-of-contents.html

As for the second bolded comment, I'm going to turn over a new leaf and become a liar, and present this comment as proof the Pharmstrong was doping @ 13. Thanks! Here's how it looks.



"It" being Pharmstrong.

BTW, did you write the screenplay for Silence of the Lambs?

Do you refer to somebody's head as an "it"? Like "Buckwheat's head has a cone on it"? Or, "Look at Buckwheat's head! It is stuck up his colon!"

The doctor slapped a patch on his head when it popped out.

I'm trying to type slowly here Mr. Wheat. Please return the favor by reading more carefully. I can see now that as a result of me being on ban for 2 months you have developed alot of laziness in your posting. I used to help keep you in check for the forum. It's time to buckle down again and start engaging our brain once again, Mr. Wheat. :D
 

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ChrisE said:
Do you refer to somebody's head as an "it"? Like "Buckwheat's head has a cone on it"? Or, "Look at Buckwheat's head! It is stuck up his colon!"

The doctor slapped a patch on his head when it popped out.

I'm trying to type slowly here Mr. Wheat. Please return the favor by reading more carefully. I can see now that as a result of me being on ban for 2 months you have developed alot of laziness in your posting. I used to help keep you in check for the forum. It's time to buckle down again and start engaging our brain once again, Mr. Wheat. :D

You're right! Sorry, I was shooting a junk shot in my a$s.

Next week I'm cycling in some growth, to slow the metastasis.
 
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You're right! Sorry, I was shooting a junk shot in my a$s.

Next week I'm cycling in some growth, to slow the metastasis.

lol.

Well, when you have your head stuck up your a$$ just remind yourself not to talk, thus no junk shot. Maybe you should use one of those things on the cover of The Who's "Tommy" album before insertion. :cool:

Back on topic, Silva will shut Sonnen up and prove this is all BS. Bank on it.
 
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lol.

Well, when you have your head stuck up your a$$ just remind yourself not to talk, thus no junk shot. Maybe you should use one of those things on the cover of The Who's "Tommy" album before insertion. :cool:

Back on topic, Silva will shut Sonnen up and prove this is all BS. Bank on it.

Maybe they will start doing that wrestling thing and take on persona's to make the bouts more interesting? In this corner in the La Vie Claire jersey, we've got "Hateraid" Sonnen...and in this corner in the yellow singlet and bracelet, we have "Seven Time" Silva!!!
 

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buckwheat said:
Sorry I took 10 seconds out of your life.

BTW, the thread is about MMA fighter Chael Sonnen's pronouncement that LA gave himself cancer.
Ok but it was more than 10 seconds because I was trying to put together how a oil platform and NASA worked into the MMA fighter and armstrong.
 
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Ok but it was more than 10 seconds because I was trying to put together how a oil platform and NASA worked into the MMA fighter and armstrong.

Mr. Wheat likes to throw a bunch of crap against the wall to see what sticks, to totally confuse the situation. It takes too much effort for the casual observer to figure it all out, thus they throw up there hands to the detriment of the factually correct one in the argument. When Mr. Wheat and I argue, the correct one would be me at all times, so I understand his ploy. I can help you out here since I know Mr. Wheat's debating tactics.

You see, the oil rig thing was preventable, which means LA's cancer was preventable. He claims the spaceshuttle disaster supports this as well. By the time one gets into the facts of PED use vs o-ring performance vs intracacies of BOP design and procedures on an oil rig vs cancer vs Chael Sonnen it is enough to make even the smartest of us call time out and punt the whole subject away. He in turn wins the argument thru attrition.
 

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ChrisE said:
Mr. Wheat likes to throw a bunch of crap against the wall to see what sticks, to totally confuse the situation. It takes too much effort for the casual observer to figure it all out, thus they throw up there hands to the detriment of the factually correct one in the argument. When Mr. Wheat and I argue, the correct one would be me at all times, so I understand his ploy. I can help you out here since I know Mr. Wheat's debating tactics.

You see, the oil rig thing was preventable, which means LA's cancer was preventable. He claims the spaceshuttle disaster supports this as well. By the time one gets into the facts of PED use vs o-ring performance vs intracacies of BOP design and procedures on an oil rig vs cancer vs Chael Sonnen it is enough to make even the smartest of us call time out and punt the whole subject away. He in turn wins the argument thru attrition.

Thank you for the information. I now know how to handle this Mr. Wheat. I thought he was out of his mind or delusional.
 
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Thank you for the information. I now know how to handle this Mr. Wheat. I thought he was out of his mind or delusional.

No, on the contrary. His perception of reality is skewed, but his diversionary debating skills work very well. Just look at Mr. Wheat's tactics as a challenge and a chance to hone your own deductive reasoning skills. That's what I do, and now I have the confidence to call into people like Rush Limbaugh and debate the facts.
 
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Armstrong's drug use may not have caused his first cancer, but it will very likely be the cause of his next cancer.

Check out the carcinogenic profiles of cisplatin, etoposide, and ifosfamide; all drugs Armstrong took knowingly - albeit legally - to enhance his performance against testicular cancer; not to mention all the radiation he received from countless CT scans.

Surprise! Both the "cure" and the Tour come with strings attached. Tick-tock.
 

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Ok but it was more than 10 seconds because I was trying to put together how a oil platform and NASA worked into the MMA fighter and armstrong.

You're late to the party.

Returning to the prior argument is something ChrisE's masochism demands.

Now if you want to be next up, I'll gladly dispatch you too.:p
 
The irony about this affair is that if indeed the LAF, like other cancer organizations, are genuinely doing something to help push knowledge forward about the disease, we will soon be able to find out if there's a link between repeated competition drug usage, blood transfusions etc with cancer. Why just "fight" the disease. Find out how its caused! Prevention is better than cure.
 
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The irony about this affair is that if indeed the LAF, like other cancer organizations, are genuinely doing something to help push knowledge forward about the disease, we will soon be able to find out if there's a link between repeated competition drug usage, blood transfusions etc with cancer. Why just "fight" the disease. Find out how its caused! Prevention is better than cure.

BigPharma disagrees. First you get ill, and then they come up with medicines to stabilize your conditions, so you can still live to be a hundred. they've been doing that most excellently. We get longer and longer life expectancies, while fighting increasingly horrid diseases. Thus, we give more funds for research for medicines. Somehow, new medicines always end up more expensive to produce. With more regulations to obey.
 
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BigPharma disagrees. First you get ill, and then they come up with medicines to stabilize your conditions, so you can still live to be a hundred. they've been doing that most excellently. We get longer and longer life expectancies, while fighting increasingly horrid diseases. Thus, we give more funds for research for medicines. Somehow, new medicines always end up more expensive to produce. With more regulations to obey.

ummm Big Pharma doesn't like research funds from the government or charitable institutions much..They'd push back cures 25 years if there was a patent that might be disputed due to funding sources.
 
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I`d hazard a guess it`s imposiible to prove Lance caused his own cancer but Im also of the thought that cancer cannot be cured.
That is if by cured we mean like some other deseases , eradicated.
Genetic mutations that swich cancer cells on are allways likely to be ahead of any drugs designed to eradicate them.
Far more productive is to look at the causes of cancer. In that area , as there are societies around the globe were cancer is all but unheard of we realy should be looking at how come?
When we look at it that way we see effectivly the following, diet, chemical polutions and stress are the major causes of cancers.
These are the major factors factors in developed societies that are causing a vertual pandemic of a miriad of cancers.
However those same societies are reluctant to look at taking new directions in living styles and there chemical dependacies prefering to talk of "cure".
Big Pharma most certainly will never want a cure in the full sence of the word and I see absalutly no chance that there will ever be the political will in the developed world to make changes In chemical dependacy or make the legislation that could eliviate much of the stress of those cultures.

There simply isnt the profit motive to do so.

As somone who has lost his father and grandmother and has a sister in remision to cancer I dont put these words glibly and in no way intend to cause offence to anyone suffering from the efects of this dreadful disease.
 
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I`d hazard a guess it`s imposiible to prove Lance caused his own cancer but Im also of the thought that cancer cannot be cured.
That is if by cured we mean like some other deseases , eradicated.
Genetic mutations that swich cancer cells on are allways likely to be ahead of any drugs designed to eradicate them.
Far more productive is to look at the causes of cancer. In that area , as there are societies around the globe were cancer is all but unheard of we realy should be looking at how come?
When we look at it that way we see effectivly the following, diet, chemical polutions and stress are the major causes of cancers.
These are the major factors factors in developed societies that are causing a vertual pandemic of a miriad of cancers.
However those same societies are reluctant to look at taking new directions in living styles and there chemical dependacies prefering to talk of "cure".
Big Pharma most certainly will never want a cure in the full sence of the word and I see absalutly no chance that there will ever be the political will in the developed world to make changes In chemical dependacy or make the legislation that could eliviate much of the stress of those cultures.

There simply isnt the profit motive to do so.

As somone who has lost his father and grandmother and has a sister in remision to cancer I dont put these words glibly and in no way intend to cause offence to anyone suffering from the efects of this dreadful disease.

as you said that those societies were very naturalistic unlike our western ones where so much that surrounds us puts out toxins from the processed food to the tv, overhead power lines, nuclear power stations, microwaves etc....

but it has always been abut people before profit. look at what is being discussed on here doping where people put their personal gains before others, always has been and always will
 

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as you said that those societies were very naturalistic unlike our western ones where so much that surrounds us puts out toxins from the processed food to the tv, overhead power lines, nuclear power stations, microwaves etc....

but it has always been abut people before profit. look at what is being discussed on here doping where people put their personal gains before others, always has been and always will

there are large geographical disparities in the incidence of various cancers but there are no societies in which it is 'unheard of' and no relation to 'naturalistic' societies - that's just a myth...
 
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mastersracer said:
there are large geographical disparities in the incidence of various cancers but there are no societies in which it is 'unheard of' and no relation to 'naturalistic' societies - that's just a myth...

some people believe we all die from cancer in its various forms.....
 

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