Armstrong Under Criminal Investigation

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

But lots of self-righteously altruistic individuals in the clinic think that makes me a troll. cest la vie.

Oh, and to answer your question: Hating Armstrong IS the "popular" position in this forum, as are ad-hominem attacks towards those who posit otherwise.

Perhaps Armstrong could start becoming altruistic and wire some money to the Andreus, LeMond, O'Reilly, the mechanic who lives in New Zealand now etc etc for missed endorsements over the years?

And u are entitled to your opinion, everyone is.

 

[Maxiton]

It's coming.

 

[spalco]

He dropped it so suddenly and without an explanation...seemed odd when most thought there was plenty of info to go on....?

Can this ******* be impeached or something? So strange there aren't any consequences for letting a criminal off the hook like that.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Point is he broke the law, he deserves to be punished for that, apologists need to remember that simple fact, his actions were criminal!

Aren't you jumping the gun a bit here? The criminality or otherwise of his actions is presumably to be determined in court.

That said, I think even Perry Mason would have his work cut out on this one!

 

[blackcat]

Perhaps Armstrong could start becoming altruistic and wire some money to the Andreus, LeMond, O'Reilly, the mechanic who lives in New Zealand now etc etc for missed endorsements over the years?

And u are entitled to your opinion, everyone is.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

 

[Benotti69]

i have said on several occasions that one reason armstrong continued lying about NOT doping in 2009-10 was due to a relatively light evidence (compared to 1999-2005) that the usada report presented...

that might be so, but it is now increasingly clear to me (as was pointed by others) that the main reason for the lie was legal - the 5 year sol. he thought he'd avoid criminal prosecution for the federal crimes listed in the referenced article - intimidation of witnesses etc....

this brings us the full circle back to the strength of evidence that the feds can uncover regarding Armstrong doping in 2009-10.

it does not take much to convince me that armstrong blatantly lied but will the usada evidence be enough for the federal case that, as i understand, is subject to a higher legal standard - beyond reasonable doubt ?

I am thinking that Armstrong was up to other stuff that the Feds have on him that is not doping.

I also guess that Bob Hamman has influence in US politics too.

LieStrong money heading for DC to lobby those people who 'represent the will' of the people.

As BroDeal says, he is bleeding money to Lawyers, how long before he cracks and throws the puppet masters under the bus?

 

[TheEnoculator]

I'm always amazed when people are saying things like leaving Armstrong alone, that he's suffered enough. Try telling that to Lemond, his business was destroyed because of Armstrong. Try that with Frankie Andreu, his career was destroyed because of Armstrong. Where's the justice for them? What's happening to Armstrong now is the LEAST that could happen to him. If he broke the criminal law, he deserves to be in jail, there's no way around that. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with cycling or his doping or his lies. What goes around comes around. One reaps what he sows. It is as simple as that.

Besides, he's not really remorseful for what he did to others, why should anyone cut him some slack?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Spout your drivel.....you'll banned by lunchtime!!

Point is he broke the law, he deserves to be punished for that, apologists need to remember that simple fact, his actions were criminal!

I haven't even eaten breakfast yet...

BPC is in a real pickle. His hero dissed his real hero. Everything that he said over the past forever has been shown to be completely wrong, not to mention idiotic. He crows about any federal investigation being over and just hours later finds out that he wasn't in the loop any more than Birotte. And still, he concentrates on Betsy who has been vindicated. His life is a small, confused place. It is almost sad to see a life built on thought with no attachment to reality. Almost.

But, at least Lance sends him personal messages, so he's got that going for him.

EDIT: I love that he gets banned now but gets no press in the mod's "Member Suspensions" thread.

 

[D-Queued]

That is way outside the SOL. I am thinking that once he got wind of the federal investigation, he may have done the same thing he did during the SCA arbitration, which was to induce people to sign false affidavits. He and his lawyers have successfully used those tactics in the past, you have to think that they would not have problems with using them in the present. I also can easily see him threatening people or offering some sort of reward for helping him.

Regardless, the partners at Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe, D.C. office, are probably throwing a party tomorrow. More fees coming their way. Armstrong must be bleeding money right now.

For those who may not be aware, here is the Dewey Cheetham and Howe office in Harvard Square, Cambridge MA (not photoshopped) - they may not be related to the DC firm:

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

The trolls are funny. Interfering with a Federal investigation, intimidating witnesses, these are crimes. They should be ignored because Lance went on Oprah?

There are other witnesses who were intimated. I know of one very interesting one who never went public. It will be good for that story to see the light of day

 

[zebedee]

I am thinking that Armstrong was up to other stuff that the Feds have on him that is not doping.

It is only going to be the 'other stuff' around doping that interests federal investigators. His doping alone is a sporting offence rather than criminal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-Armstrong-facing-criminal-investigation.html

By way of comparison, Marion Jones, as well as forfeiting all her medals, served a six month sentence for perjury, mitigated by the nature of her apology and her relative openness after the fact. The scale of her offending pales into insignificance compared with Armstrong's alleged offending which was not only sustained but involved the abuse of public funds. I can't see the leniency extended to her being either justified or offered in his case.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

The trolls are funny. Interfering with a Federal investigation, intimidating witnesses, these are crimes. They should be ignored because Lance went on Oprah?

There are other witnesses who were intimated. I know of one very interesting one who never went public. It will be good for that story to see the light of day

Wonder who that might be.....or when that will be out open, Hmmm.

 

[Benotti69]

It is only going to be the 'other stuff' around doping that interests federal investigators. His doping alone is a sporting offence rather than criminal.

By way of comparison, Marion Jones, as well as forfeiting all her medals, served a six month sentence for perjury, mitigated by the nature of her apology and her relative openness after the fact. The scale of her offending pales into insignificance compared with Armstrong's alleged offending which was not only sustained but involved the abuse of public funds. I can't see the leniency extended to her being either justified or offered in his case.

Jones is black and that in my opinion made a big difference.

Armstrong hails from Texas and has managed to win influence through Stapleton and Weisel.

I agree that what he did with state money, transporting dope across borders, etc etc will be of big concern to the Feds.

That the general public know that Armstrong broke Fed Laws looks bad if they do nothing.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The trolls are funny. Interfering with a Federal investigation, intimidating witnesses, these are crimes. They should be ignored because Lance went on Oprah?

There are other witnesses who were intimated. I know of one very interesting one who never went public. It will be good for that story to see the light of day

I said before I know not a lot on US law, do now a little bit more - quiet day at the office - but isn't withness temparing illegal/criminal only when one succeeds?

Therefore the obstruction of justice complaint will be crucial - and, I think not too hard to prove -, or did someone get bullied into a false statement?

Now we know why he did not name names at the Soprah interview; he was taking the fifth all the way!

 

[Scott SoCal]

The trolls are funny. Interfering with a Federal investigation, intimidating witnesses, these are crimes. They should be ignored because Lance went on Oprah?

There are other witnesses who were intimated. I know of one very interesting one who never went public. It will be good for that story to see the light of day

Run don't walk. Yeah, there's likely a ****load of stories like that.

 

[Big Daddy]

Run don't walk. Yeah, there's likely a ****load of stories like that.

Yeah, think about all the stories of witness intimidation, the threats, bullying, etc.. And these are just the known reported incidents that have become public knowledge. Imagine how many there must be that aren't reported!

 

[reginagold]

Totally a coincidence this came out after the last Clinton left public office.

Birotte is a bit exposed now.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Totally a coincidence this came out after the last Clinton left public office.

Birotte is a bit exposed now.

Lanny Breuer has announced he's leaving the DOJ as well. You gotta wonder how well Birotte's sleeping at night...

He still has Feinstein in office. So maybe there's nothing to worry about.

 

[Race Radio]

I said before I know not a lot on US law, do now a little bit more - quiet day at the office - but isn't withness temparing illegal/criminal only when one succeeds?

........No

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

........No

.....Okido.

Then texadope should be carefull in the shower in the future.

 

[Boeing]

Do folk get banned here for spouting drivel?

one read of the crank arm length thread and the 2 super heroes posting in that thread you'll see the answer is a legit NO

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

.....Okido.

Then texadope should be carefull in the shower in the future.

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[gjdavis60]

If Armstrong has fallen afoul of the regime he could be in for a difficult time, indeed. Even low level functionaries employed in law enforcement wield considerable power and can make life very difficult for people they don't like. Punishment is often doled out in direct proportion to the disrespect that they feel they have received. I wonder if Lance realizes that his tough guy act could get him thrown away for a long, long time.

 

[Oldman]

My prediction yesterday:

Bear in mind that is the USPS case he closed. That doesn't preclude the openning of a separate charge for the other trafficking, wire fraud, etc. that could still be out there. I think treating it like a suspension and then reopenning the case represented a political embarrasment for Clinton and Co. With the Fox folks still crying Bengazi! Bengazi! it would be another tough circumstance for those Dems that applied the quid pro quo to Justice.

A whole new case would be a different story. Remember; DoJ wasn't going to share their case info with USADA and look were Lance is now. No triathalons and him in Summer speedo shape with nowhere to show his package.

And to the new troll wondering about the benefit to the sport and mankind in general: your village is looking for you....

 

[hfer07]

If it is just the Hamilton thing then I cannot see this getting very far; but given Armstrong's nature, it is good assumption that contacted other people he should not have. I can easily see Armstrong suborning a whole bunch of ex-riders and staff.

how about Travis Tygart himself? He said on 60 minutes he was intimidated & "got the FBI looked into those threats" so........