Armstrong's financial situation

[DirtyWorks]

I have a hard time imagining how much hubris you would have to have in order to do all the things he did.

I've had the craziest dumb luck to be around a few "celebrities" in very informal situations and a few of them are plenty crazy with "lets talk about me" in even a relaxed, non-professional situation. It should not be a suprrise then that Wonderboy and Wiesel are similar in this regard.

Posted in another thread is a hilarious review from a person who edited(??) Wiesel's bio-book and hated it so much he went back and posted the most negative review possible after getting another job. That's what kind of sick we're talking about.

 

[silverrocket]

I have a hard time imagining how much hubris you would have to have in order to do all the things he did. Ask President of France to fire the head of the AFLD. Destroy Lemond's business. Pocketed appearance moneys. And the thing that will probably take him down is not following the rules with the IRS. I wonder if he ever thought enough is enough or did he really believe himself to be invincible and above all rules.

Watch for future comparisons with Al Capone, who ultimately only went down for tax evasion and NOT murder, corruption, and theft.

 

[DirtyWorks]

This is an article on how non-profits have been exploited in the U.S. for quite some time.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...ts-600-million-profit-flying-first-class.html

You have to give it to Team Wonderboy, they seem to have done the fraud bigger than most. Wouldn't it be great if they made liveswrong.com the example they prosecute to oblvion...

 

[aphronesis]

I've had the craziest dumb luck to be around a few "celebrities" in very informal situations and a few of them are plenty crazy with "lets talk about me" in even a relaxed, non-professional situation. It should not be a suprrise then that Wonderboy and Wiesel are similar in this regard.

Posted in another thread is a hilarious review from a person who edited(??) Wiesel's bio-book and hated it so much he went back and posted the most negative review possible after getting another job. That's what kind of sick we're talking about.

Didn't hate it so much to refuse the job did he? Hubris is measured by the integrity of those in the pond.

 

[Race Radio]

Didn't hate it so much to refuse the job did he? Hubris is measured by the integrity of those in the pond.

ahhh, it was the book editors fault. Of course.

Glad he did not turn down the job, otherwise we may not have known what an arrogant fool old Thom is.

Freedom of speech is a great thing, it makes it easier to know who the idiots are

 

[silverrocket]

Didn't hate it so much to refuse the job did he? Hubris is measured by the integrity of those in the pond.

How could he have know how much he would hate it until he actually did the job?

 

[aphronesis]

ahhh, it was the book editors fault. Of course.

Glad he did not turn down the job, otherwise we may not have known what an arrogant fool old Thom is.

Freedom of speech is a great thing, it makes it easier to know who the idiots are

I knew what an arrogant and repugnant old fool Thom was twenty some years ago. As, I might suspect, did you. So don't play the naif. My point was that we don't need a tabloid level auto-expose to confirm that. If you enjoy reading that sort of thing despite your high moral standards, I don't really know what to say....

The fact that editors and publishers would even take on something like that and call it a book, should be indicative of a greater set of systemic issues, but I know from long experience that those are not levels you're interested to plumb. Similarly, we'll agree to disagree as to what constitutes writing--let alone good.

@silverrocket: he could quit any time within the project; from the minute it became too distasteful. Doing it for the money and then writing a bad review aftwerwards: that does take a full measure of courage doesn't it?

 

[MarkvW]

I knew what an arrogant and repugnant old fool Thom was twenty some years ago. As, I might suspect, did you. So don't play the naif. My point was that we don't need a tabloid level auto-expose to confirm that. If you enjoy reading that sort of thing despite your high moral standards, I don't really know what to say....

@silverrocket: he could quit any time within the project; from the minute it became too distasteful. Doing it for the money and then writing a bad review aftwerwards: that does take a full measure of courage doesn't it?

Race Radio: I may have my disagreements with you, but I'd never suggest that your posts were monochromatic. You definitely cover the full spectrum.

 

[ggusta]

http://reader.roopstigo.com/view/roopster/story/618/#/chapter/1/

Not looking good. Borrowed $5.5 million against his house.

Bumping this article, everyone needs to read it in its entirety I think. The faithful are seeing the light.

 

[aphronesis]

Race Radio: I may have my disagreements with you, but I'd never suggest that your posts were monochromatic. You definitely cover the full spectrum.

You've come a long ways Mark. Heartening to see. I'll see if I can clarify monochromatic and put you at ease.

"Anything and anyone that remotely critiques the terms of the anti-myth is a fundamentally stupid (or idiotic as the post has it), idol worshiping proponent of the myth."

I define that as monochromatic. I have never in the few years of reading this board seen any post of RR's that evidences a sliver of critical thinking and reading skills. Merely a trading on insider connections and information. Let's be generous and say that's merely the result of his punishing traveling schedule. Maybe.

In the event, I'm glad he holds no power in any places that I'll ever reside. To rectify RR's platitude about the freedom of speech and idiocy (which was an insult by the way) freedom of speech implies using discretion to shape the level of discourse within which one finds themself. By example as much as anything. Again, facts are not the final truth of free speech.

 

[Race Radio]

Yes, it's never failed you. Glad to see you're still around and not capable of much more than monochromatic posts. Conversely access to facts and memorization of fortune cookie profundities is no measure of intelligence. Do you see the word fault in my post? Beyond that, editor's fault for what? Do you even know what you're saying?

I knew what an arrogant and repugnant old fool Thom was twenty some years ago. As, I might suspect, did you. So don't play the naif. My point was that we don't need a tabloid level auto-expose to confirm that. If you enjoy reading that sort of thing despite your high moral standards, I don't really know what to say....

The fact that editors and publishers would even take on something like that and call it a book, should be indicative of a greater set of systemic issues, but I know from long experience that those are levels you're interested to plumb. Similarly, we'll agree to disagree as to what constitutes writing--let alone good.

@silverrocket: he could quit any time within the project; from the minute it became too distasteful. Doing it for the money and then writing a bad review aftwerwards: that does take a full measure of courage doesn't it?

Can someone translate this nonsense for me?

 

[thehog]

Can someone translate this nonsense for me?

If you say it backwards it says "I am the Walrus" and "john Lennon is dead".

 

[aphronesis]

Can someone translate this nonsense for me?

Thanks for proving my point. I'll use small words and see if you can follow along.

I didn't say it was the editor's fault. (Whatever fault you mean, I have no idea.)

The crux is this: if people like the editor refused Thom's crap at the outset, then he wouldn't have risen to the position that he did.

Get that? People. Like. That means many. At any stage.

Instead the editor took the money and whined afterwards. That changes nothing; and never will.

But you seem at peace with that and I'm not surprised.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Can someone translate this nonsense for me?

Now that the beast is slain, the soldiers turn on each other......???

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Can someone translate this nonsense for me?

Who uses the word 'monochromatic' anyway. Such an uncolourful word.

 

[Race Radio]

Thanks for proving my point. I'll use small words and see if you can follow along.

I didn't say it was the editor's fault. (Whatever fault you mean, I have no idea.)

The crux is this: if people like the editor refused Thom's crap at the outset, then he wouldn't have risen to the position that he did.

Instead the editor took the money and whined afterwards. That changes nothing; and never will.

But you seem at peace with that and I'm not surprised.

You are confused.

You claim that I show no "evidences a sliver of critical thinking and reading skills" yet you failed to grasp the point that the editor pushing Thom's crap into the public domain was a good thing, it showed what a fool Thom was. You appear to think my "Freedom of speech" Line was directed at you. It was not.....it is not always about you.

You have done an excellent job clogging this forum with endless, mindless, babble. It is an impressive feat. It is unfortunate that myself and the rest of the simple minded fools here are unable to grasp the true genius of your posts.

With your superior cognitive ability perhaps you should write a book? I know a good editor.

 

[Race Radio]

Who uses the word 'monochromatic' anyway. Such an uncolourful word.

I prefer Mondocraptastic.....but I have limited critical thinking and reading skills so do not take my advice.

The real question is if someone posts absurd babble on the internet, and nobody understands it, does still make a sound?

 

[aphronesis]

You are confused.

You claim that I show no "evidences a sliver of critical thinking and reading skills" yet you failed to grasp the point that the editor pushing Thom's crap into the public domain was a good thing, it showed what a fool Thom was. You appear to think my "Freedom of speech" Line was directed at you. It was not.....it is not always about you.

You have done an excellent job clogging this forum with endless, mindless, babble. It is an impressive feat. It is unfortunate that myself and the rest of the simple minded fools here are unable to grasp the true genius of your posts.

With your superior cognitive ability perhaps you should write a book? I know a good editor.

Given that you have insulted me directly with such cliched formulae in the past, you'll excuse me if I overreached.

In point of fact, it is rarely about me. You would not get that, I know. That's ok.

My post count is quite low by all standards and you could apply the same to many--including many who share your values, so you'll excuse me if I don't take your criticism too seriously.

You are equally confused as the point of my post was that if more in the public domain were both critical and publicly invested to begin with, then people like Thom would not be allowed to exist--let alone would there be an audience for their books--if that's what you want to call it.

That's not genius by any measure, pro or con, but it seems beyond you.

On that score, let's be clear, there are many many intelligent people on this forum by any standard, but there seem a select few, of which you are virtually the last, who are content to let your emotional investments override and judge any thing you read and to react (knee jerk) accordingly. Not my problem.

As to your suggestion: I have, and I have. Thanks though.

 

[86TDFWinner]

I wonder if he really did believe himself to be invincible and above all rules.

This. Totally obvious

 

[MarkvW]

Lance was the b*u*t*t of a Stephen Colbert joke a couple of days ago--and he wasn't even the subject of the joke.

Lance is inexorably drawn to the inevitable Oprah moment. Nobody--not even Lance Armstrong--can resist the American Sports Myth of Rise, Fall, and Redemption.

 

[Race Radio]

Lance was the b*u*t*t of a Stephen Colbert joke a couple of days ago--and he wasn't even the subject of the joke.

Lance is inexorably drawn to the inevitable Oprah moment. Nobody--not even Lance Armstrong--can resist the American Sports Myth of Rise, Fall, and Redemption.

Yup, book, tearful admission, blame the childhood, all with his willing accomplice.

The redemption will be tough. I doubt he will be able to apologize to the people he burned and successful redemption usually requires that the athlete returns to his sport (Vick, Woods). That option is not open for Wonderboy

 

[Oldman]

Yup, book, tearful admission, blame the childhood, all with his willing accomplice.

The redemption will be tough. I doubt he will be able to apologize to the people he burned and successful redemption usually requires that the athlete returns to his sport (Vick, Woods). That option is not open for Wonderboy

The venal use of charity funds that are just being exposed may make a mea culpa useless in the media world. Tiger Woods made a few atempts to apologize and then wisely stfu. For Tex that opportunity has passed. I project again that he'll be signing poster for idiot fans and curiousity seekers alongside Pete Rose at some memorabilia shop.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Somehow this is one person in the world that I can't see admitting wrongdoing or crying and tearful in public....

His @$sh@!e persona and defiant arrogance does not leave any room for those emotions...

It will be surreal when/ if that ever happens.

 

[mewmewmew13]

The venal use of charity funds that are just being exposed may make a mea culpa useless in the media world. Tiger Woods made a few atempts to apologize and then wisely stfu. For Tex that opportunity has passed. I project again that he'll be signing poster for idiot fans and curiousity seekers alongside Pete Rose at some memorabilia shop.

Or pull an OJ and turn to a life of crime...stealing back memorabilia.

 

[purcell]

Correct. Forbes publishing the story means there's some merit in the story.

Just to think all that money for "cancer research" going into Armstrong's pocket and most likely tax free!

Yeah, don't put too much stock in Forbes. A once proud, and good publication has been quite quickly turning to junk.

They are pioneering the downward spiral of a lot of magazines that are trying to push into "online" and relying far too much on bloggers for content. Sadly, they don't seem to be at all concerned with the content or reputation of those bloggers.