Astana Licence to be withdrawn?

[ChewbaccaDefense]

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Today's display by Astana goes beyond confirming what we already know, it was a performance akin to spitting in all of our eyes.

This

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

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All good, wog doping is ok, it's only the Anglos we have to worry about

being the voice of reason and all evidence based analysis, why are you not spending thousands of posts defending Aru from these unfounded allegations?

Hammer, meet nail. Spot on.

 

[Jagartrott]

DS Kemna from Giant says "strange things are happening in the peloton" and that "old (bad) habits seem to be gaining ground because of too little change in rules and organisation". Names Astana as an example and refers to Henderson's tweet as a sign of talk and frustration in the peloton.

 

[mrhender]

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DS Kemna from Giant says "strange things are happening in the peloton" and that "old (bad) habits seem to be gaining ground because of too little change in rules and organisation". Names Astana as an example and refers to Henderson's tweet as a sign of talk and frustration in the peloton.

A link and a G-Translate here:

http://nos.nl/artikel/2037423-kemna-vertrouwt-astana-niet-vreest-nieuwe-dopingcultuur.html

Giant team manager Rudi Kemna fears that cycling falls prey to a new doping culture. The Dutchman, who in 2013 confessed the use of banned substances, picks up signals which suggest that cycling into old, bad habits is about to expire.

One way is with more and more skepticism to Astana, by doping chased Kazakh cycling team who, despite fierce criticism nonetheless a license received from the UCI, the performance of some Katyusha racers are suspiciously looked upon and pointing riders more often with the finger of blame each other.

According Kemna the UCI will have to come up with strict rules in order to turn the tide.

In NOS Langs de Lijn Kemna discussed in his eyes alarming state of cycling is currently experiencing.

Kemna: strange things happen again

Giant's team manager says that there are always strange things happening in the peloton. He urged the UCI to action. "From on high to be structurally changed the rules."
You did your 2013 doping confession. Is cycling changed afterwards as you envisioned?
"I am convinced that it caused a shock in the cycling world. That shock effect has really done good things."

That sounds a 'but' in on.
"When I look back now, there is in the big layers, regulations, organizations, done too little to change it constructively and structurally."
The UCI example, take the initiatives of the MPCC, the association of professional teams which represents a credible cycling, not. Lampre overlaps with the rules of the MPCC to his boot and stepped out of that association.

"You can only imagine that I deeply unhappy am. Look, it's not new that people join the MPCC and then, if they just not convenient, to evade accountability and step out again. For me, it is very clear: we must abide by the rules tight With the MPCC we do something over with the UCI rules, but it turns out that if the interest is less, so you can step out and that then the party just... go. And that's a raw deal, as we're doing with cycling. "

Astana rides very well. Three riders in the top of the standings. Aru by another rider, Henderson, accused of doping.
"There clearly is a split in the peloton. A whole group of riders is very aware of sport. And how cycling in a credible way businesses can. That accusation says something that was there in the past."

Henderson received acclaim.
"We as individuals can not just say this is going on, we can say in general. As strange things are happening now with Astana, which drive well, unbelievable good, but it can also just really good peaked.. . It is not for me to accuse Astana. "

So there are still cheaters?
"What really is a must, it must no longer be worthwhile to take that risk if you do not benefit from doping, will you not use it for fun we have from above, the world federation must structurally change the rules in such a way.. and it still has not happened, that it has no value to use doping. That the MPCC must be supported strongly by the UCI. That you are convicted, also publicly not welcome you more when you're not connected ... That possibility should be offered. "

Why is not it happening?
"You have to want. Really want it. My idea is still that there are still interests, larger interests. I think it's mainly power. And maybe even money."

Where do we look at? Which platoon we look?
"I think we're looking at a very large portion entirely elite sport and still there, or maybe more again, the odds can be offered to people who look for the loopholes. And going through. That's feeling. That's not to prove, but if I see the peloton, that feeling comes over me well. "

Is it frustrating? You talk about that?
"I must say that there is not too much is talked about. But of course it is true that if the visibility is more and more, like a rider who now already for the sixth time in the attack while he was a month ago all Nothing was driving, so if you see extreme differences, it gives frustration. As for Henderson, who then what is going to call. "

In your team?
"We had a big boost in recent years which have proved that we can get very far with talent. I have not spoken to the guys who are now in the Giro, but I can imagine that there have looked askance ; what happens here now my fear is that it is coming more and more? ".

 

[Lyon]

I read what Kemna is saying as Astana is breaking some internal rules - when everybody else is allowed a team wide program as well, all will be good.

Also, it is ok to cheat if it helps to grow the sport. Those damn 'Russians' don't know how to do that.

 

[mrhender]

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I read what Kemna is saying as Astana is breaking some internal rules - when everybody else is allowed a team wide program as well, all will be good.

Also, it is ok to cheat if it helps to grow the sport. Those damn 'Russians' don't know how to do that.

Yep... Don't deviate from the norm of (moderate) plain doping methods because the
("moral") self-justice of the peloton do not tolerate full ***...

Only when it is marginal gains..

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Nice catch by Barry Ryan a couple of days ago:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/aru-im-not-happy-with-my-result-but-the-giro-ditalia-goes-on

Despite the rain, a crowd of tifosi began to gather to serenade Aru during his warm-up, while Astana's backroom staff – including erstwhile Continental team director Dimitri Sedoun, rehabilitated as logistics manager for the WorldTour team – bustled about inside the cordon, preparing riders for the off.

Good to see the UCI really turned he screws on them. "Logistics".

 

[Catwhoorg]

What the &$%# is he doing there, well besides the obvious...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Earning his keep, by the looks of things...

 

[JimmyFingers]

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Jimmy as usual doing what he accuses others for...

While I'm flattered by the attention of course Netserk, do you really need to respond to police every post I make? I look forward to your usual response, a variation of 'I know you are, you said you are but what am i?'

 

[JimmyFingers]

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All good, wog doping is ok, it's only the Anglos we have to worry about

being the voice of reason and all evidence based analysis, why are you not spending thousands of posts defending Aru from these unfounded allegations?

Hammer, meet nail. Spot on.

Reason, meet hyperbole. Sweet.

 

[SeriousSam]

Landa is going nuclear

 

[the sceptic]

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All good, wog doping is ok, it's only the Anglos we have to worry about

being the voice of reason and all evidence based analysis, why are you not spending thousands of posts defending Aru from these unfounded allegations?

Hammer, meet nail. Spot on.

Reason, meet hyperbole. Sweet.

Is Landa clean? No evidence right?

 

[infeXio]

Don't worry, Taxus says he's clean.

 

[ad9898]

Not posted here in a long time but Landa has forced me out of retirement, what a f**king joke, Landa not even pretending he's tired, reminds me of Armstrong and Riis... the whole team should've been thrown off the world tour.

 

[mrhender]

Mikel Landa Meana

 

[S2Sturges]

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Not posted here in a long time but Landa has forced me out of retirement, what a f**king joke, Landa not even pretending he's tired, reminds me of Armstrong and Riis... the whole team should've been thrown off the world tour.

Cruise away from Bertie with 3 to go uphill and put a minute into him, I know he sat on quite a while but he don't even try when he went....... Clean as....

 

[IamIronMan]

Landa says after the stage he had no idea how strong he was. I believe that. When your natural ability is down here and then you are able to go full *** and not even know it, I'd say you'd surprise yourself too!

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

Landa might as well put a rocket on his bike he is getting that much boost.

 

[ad9898]

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Not posted here in a long time but Landa has forced me out of retirement, what a f**king joke, Landa not even pretending he's tired, reminds me of Armstrong and Riis... the whole team should've been thrown off the world tour.

Cruise away from Bertie with 3 to go uphill and put a minute into him, I know he sat on quite a while but he don't even try when he went....... Clean as....

Hope the governing bodies are cringing when they see more or less the whole team riding on the front for most of the Giro... eyebrows should've been raised with team time trial that they nearly won. Landa's performances come straight out of the 90's/Armstrong era... it's almost spoiling the race.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

haha, people are so jelly about thier favourite riders not being able to match AStana

 

[IamIronMan]

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haha, people are so jelly about thier favourite riders not being able to match AStana

This is the Astana thread, no?

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

Landa has talent, he is a good climber, like a lot of previous dopers were, but he is also getting some major help to be at the level he is at.

 

[hrotha]

The case of Landa is remarkably similar to Aru last year, so I'll say what I said back then: "very talented young climber who obviously took a ridiculously large step forward this year".

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

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The case of Landa is remarkably similar to Aru last year, so I'll say what I said back then: "very talented young climber who obviously took a ridiculously large step forward this year".

Landa is older than Aru, but there are similarities, both in their second year at Astana. A natural jump is more likely in a younger rider than a bit older rider, however that is not always the case and other factors could impede performance. Wild inconsistently like Cobo, for example, cannot only be explained by doping although that has to have played its part.