Astana rider details Contador's doping practices

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I was by no means thinking Contador to be the sole rider doing this micro-drawing. He is not the king of dope, is he? He got caught after all, and not allowed to buy himself out of it (beats me as to why not).

The German lab that fingered his control, spilled the beans to the media when it was apparent the UCI was not doing so. Fear not, contador is the golden boy of cycling and the cover up was in the works.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Sucking all year is not the same as being good all year.

Don't get me wrong, Cadel is a good cyclist. But he'd have done better at the classics then he did at a GT. He should lay more focus on the classics as he can definitely win races like LBL, FW, Worlds, Amstel and Giro di Lombardia.

Sure he has some second placings in a GT, but come'on, it's the winner that matters.

Sucking all year? I guess you must be pretty ****ed about Conti going down soon so you are venting your anger. Contador has never really done anything in 1 day classics, so really evans is the more consistent more all round rider.

Yeah, he'll **** la vuelta up against a bunch of doping liars like Contador.

 

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Let's stay on topic, boys and girls.

 

[El Pistolero]

Sucking all year? I guess you must be pretty ****ed about Conti going down soon so you are venting your anger. Contador has never really done anything in 1 day classics, so really evans is the more consistent more all round rider.

All Cadel has done in the classics is winning FW. At the age of 32. Contador has done a lot this year in the classics. Must not have been watching? The live races that is, not just the highlights.

I'm not angry at all about Contador being banned. I still have Philippe Gilbert and Boonen. And we all know that if Cadel was the one in Conti's situation you'd defend him. I as a matter of fact never denied Contador doped(I however think he didn't dope with Clen, that was just an accident). It's obvious all serious GT contenders do blood doping. I don't see Cadel as being on exception.

And after Contador's suspension he'll still beat the crap out of Cadel. Just saying.

 

[hrotha]

The German lab that fingered his control, spilled the beans to the media when it was apparent the UCI was not doing so. Fear not, contador is the golden boy of cycling and the cover up was in the works.

Exactly. The thing however is that the UCI protects their rider(s) to avoid scandals, so once the scandal is in full swing, it should be in their best interest to get rid of Contador. Unless they think saving him from a suspension would be a victory in their petty wars with everyone else.

 

[auscyclefan94]

All Cadel has done in the classics is winning FW. At the age of 32.

You really have no clue El Clenbuterlero

 

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All Cadel has done in the classics is winning FW. At the age of 32. Contador has done a lot this year in the classics. Must not have been watching? The live races that is, not just the highlights.

I'm not angry at all about Contador being banned. I still have Philippe Gilbert and Boonen. And we all know that if Cadel was the one in Conti's situation you'd defend him. I as a matter of fact never denied Contador doped(I however think he didn't dope with Clen, that was just an accident). It's obvious all serious GT contenders do blood doping. I don't see Cadel as being on exception.

And after Contador's suspension he'll still beat the crap out of Cadel. Just saying.

If Contador is so awesome, why would he resort to 2-bit cheating? Wouldn't it be cool if all these guys were playing on a clean and even playing field, that way we could actually know who the best athlete is?

I wouldn't get so excited about taunting others about Contador's triumphant return. I look forward to his life time ban when he tries to return to his 'spectacular form'

 

[El Pistolero]

If Contador is so awesome, why would he resort to 2-bit cheating? Wouldn't it be cool if all these guys were playing on a clean and even playing field, that way we could actually know who the best athlete is?

I wouldn't get so excited about taunting others about Contador's triumphant return. I look forward to his life time ban when he tries to return to his 'spectacular form'

Before he tested positive everyone was saying he had horrible form and now it's spectacular? If you think Conti's form is an indication to doping then you think the same about Andy. Ergo Andy is a doper according to you. Thus you're looking forward for a doper to win all Tours next decade.

Try and ride a Grand Tour and then you'll know the answer on your question. They're not playing soccer for 90 minutes here. They're riding 200KM+ each day. It's one of the toughest sports in the world.

And to be honest, with a face like Cadel Evans I wouldn't bet any money on him being clean.

 

[auscyclefan94]

All Cadel has done in the classics is winning FW. At the age of 32. Contador has done a lot this year in the classics. Must not have been watching? The live races that is, not just the highlights.

I'm not angry at all about Contador being banned. I still have Philippe Gilbert and Boonen. And we all know that if Cadel was the one in Conti's situation you'd defend him. I as a matter of fact never denied Contador doped(I however think he didn't dope with Clen, that was just an accident). It's obvious all serious GT contenders do blood doping. I don't see Cadel as being on exception.

And after Contador's suspension he'll still beat the crap out of Cadel. Just saying.

If you think that is true El Clenbuterlero! I would never stick up for a doper unless someone had been unfairly accused of cheating. Yeah he'll still beat the crap out of Cadel but by the time Alberto gets his program up and running again Cadel will be retired!

Contador only did alright this classic season and he has never done them in the past.

If you think his face indicates hGh use then maybe you should look at his father's face.

 

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Before he tested positive everyone was saying he had horrible form and now it's spectacular?

Try and ride a Grand Tour and then you'll know the answer on your question. They're not playing soccer for 90 minutes here. They're riding 200KM+ each day. It's one of the toughest sports in the world.

And to be honest, with a face like Cadel Evans I wouldn't bet any money on him being clean.

What mind-numbing point are you trying to arrive at here?

 

[El Pistolero]

If you think that is true El Clenbuterlero! I would never stick up for a doper unless someone had been unfairly accused of cheating. Yeah he'll still beat the crap out of Cadel but by the time Alberto gets his program up and running again Cadel will be retired!

Contador only did alright this classic season and he has never done them in the past.

That's the point.

And you would've defended Cadel if he was in the same situation as Contador. Don't lie to your self. We're not talking about EPO here, but a microdose of Clen.

 

[hrotha]

That's the point.

And you would've defended Cadel if he was in the same situation as Contador. Don't lie to your self. We're not talking about EPO here, but a microdose of Clen.

We're talking about traces of clen, leftovers from a normal treatment that got back into his system due to a blood transfusion.

 

[El Pistolero]

What mind-numbing point are you trying to arrive at here?

That a part of the problem of dirty cycling lies with the fans that keep demending more exciting races instead of just action in the latest 5-10km. Sounds familiar? I bet it does.

 

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That a part of the problem of dirty cycling lies with the fans that keep demending more exciting races instead of just action in the latest 5-10km. Sounds familiar? I bet it does.

Fail. Contador is as doped as they come (i can tell just by looking at him ) yet he never attacks from a long way out.

 

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That a part of the problem of dirty cycling lies with the fans that keep demending more exciting races instead of just action in the latest 5-10km. Sounds familiar? I bet it does.

All I ever ask for is an even playing field with these guys specifically relying on their ability only. That's not too much to ask for, and is definitely more exciting than trying to factor into who is on the better program as I watch the race unfold.

 

[auscyclefan94]

That's the point.

And you would've defended Cadel if he was in the same situation as Contador. Don't lie to your self. We're not talking about EPO here, but a microdose of Clen.

No, one of the main reasons i follow cadel is because i think he is clean and I like the guy. naive as that may be but if he tested positive i would treat like I have treated Contador but hopefully I don't have to prove that to you.

 

[El Pistolero]

We're talking about traces of clen, leftovers from a normal treatment that got back into his system due to a blood transfusion.

But do you have any real proof for that?

Like a positive test for blood transfusion? You can't ban him for blood transfusion on the basis of just the plastic test.

 

[hrotha]

But do you have any real proof for that?

Like a positive test for blood transfusion? You can't ban him for blood transfusion on the basis of just the plastic test.

Fine, if you want to stick to the official facts, we're talking about a positive for a banned susbtance with no legal threshold that we know athletes use and that has caused other athletes to be suspended.

 

[auscyclefan94]

But do you have any real proof for that?

Like a positive test for blood transfusion? You can't ban him for blood transfusion on the basis of just the plastic test.

8x over the limit and clen. Just a coinicidence it is there. Probably just had oral sex that morning and had a steak all the way from spain delivered from Catalunya.

 

[BigFatSal]

I may have the dates wrong on this and I can't remember where I saw the interview, but didn't Contador have a cold/flu between the Dauphine and Tour, for which he took antibiotics. If he withdrew blood for future use during this period then surely any blood tested during the tour would show traces if he had transfused.

Is it possible, in only a three week period, to have a course of antibiotics, a course of clenbuterol, enough to be effective, then withdraw blood and be sure it is taint free. The risk must be appallingly high as I understand GC contenders are subject to more frequent testing in the run up to big tours.

Also would you withdraw blood if you were unwell. Don't know.

 

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But do you have any real proof for that?

Like a positive test for blood transfusion? You can't ban him for blood transfusion on the basis of just the plastic test.

At this point, the burden is upon Contador to prove innocence on the basis of why there were traces of Clen in his samples. The plasticizer test makes the burden upon him significantly more difficult.

 

[El Pistolero]

All I ever ask for is an even playing field with these guys specifically relying on their ability only. That's not too much to ask for, and is definitely more exciting than trying to factor into who is on the better program as I watch the race unfold.

You know as well as I do that everybody here complains about how boring the Tour is every year and that they never attack and that there aren't enough hard mountain stages,etc. Yet at the same time they want a cleaner sport. Quite the paradox ain't it.

 

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I may have the dates wrong on this and I can't remember where I saw the interview, but didn't Contador have a cold/flu between the Dauphine and Tour, for which he took antibiotics. If he withdrew blood for future use during this period then surely any blood tested during the tour would show traces if he had transfused.

Is it possible, in only a three week period, to have a course of antibiotics, a course of clenbuterol, enough to be effective, then withdraw blood and be sure it is taint free. The risk must be appallingly high as I understand GC contenders are subject to more frequent testing in the run up to big tours.

Also would you withdraw blood if you were unwell. Don't know.

That relies on the assumption that he actually had a cold.

 

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I may have the dates wrong on this and I can't remember where I saw the interview, but didn't Contador have a cold/flu between the Dauphine and Tour, for which he took antibiotics. If he withdrew blood for future use during this period then surely any blood tested during the tour would show traces if he had transfused.

Is it possible, in only a three week period, to have a course of antibiotics, a course of clenbuterol, enough to be effective, then withdraw blood and be sure it is taint free. The risk must be appallingly high as I understand GC contenders are subject to more frequent testing in the run up to big tours.

Also would you withdraw blood if you were unwell. Don't know.

I would factor in the high likelihood of masking agent here.

 

[El Pistolero]

Fine, if you want to stick to the official facts, we're talking about a positive for a banned susbtance with no legal threshold that we know athletes use and that has caused other athletes to be suspended.

Most of these couldn't pay Conti's lawyers. And of course I'm sticking with official facts. Otherwise all GT contenders needs to get a 2 year ban. And recently an athlete only get a one year ban for Clen because they believed the meat contamination story to be plausible.

Fränk Schleck is still riding after he paid a certain doctor €7000 on his bank account. If he's still riding it's not totally impossible that Conti can get away with it. I'm just saying, you might get disappointed with the outcome of Conti's case here. The only reason why I will be disappointed if Contador gets banned is that Andy Schleck will be shoulders above everyone else. It will be the Armstrong ERA all over again. And Schleck is just 25 years old yet *sigh*. Oh well, at least the classics will still be exciting.