Astana transfusion equipment "Criminal"

[Digger]

As far as their cycling credibility goes, how many times did they report Wiggins was going to sign with Sky before they got it right?

Wiggins and Sky have admitted themselves that the very minute he crossed the line in Paris, a move to Sky was going to happen. They were completely right. This story merely adds to its credibility.

 

[Race Radio]

Wait so let me get this straight. The French doping control finds suspicious syringes from the Astana team during the Tour in July, allows Contador and team to finish and win the race, waits until two days before Christmas, and hands the story over to a newspaper that treats Lance Armstrong like Glenn Beck/Fox News treats Obama. Something is not right here.

What is not right is your timeline.

A couple days after the Tour was finished it was reported that the refuse was being searched and items of interest were found. In October it was reported that transfusion equipment was found and that an official judicial investigation would be launched. We are now seeing some of the results of the investigation and the possibility of criminal charges.

Sounds like a reasonable timeline to me.

 

[pedaling squares]

As far as their cycling credibility goes, how many times did they report Wiggins was going to sign with Sky before they got it right?

That's just it, they got it right. Sounds like their journalist had the knowledge of unfolding events that the players would not confirm until they had all details finalized. That is a scoop, not an example of poor journalism.

If you are trying to portray Le Monde in a bad light, you have failed royally.

 

[Race Radio]

As far as their cycling credibility goes, how many times did they report Wiggins was going to sign with Sky before they got it right?

Le Monde? really, you are going down the wrong track here. Le Monde is not the National Enquire

 

[Rex Hunter]

They reportedly found the said items in trash bags that were especially for medical waste. So that begs the question, what medical waste is allowed?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Wait so let me get this straight. The French doping control finds suspicious syringes from the Astana team during the Tour in July, allows Contador and team to finish and win the race, waits until two days before Christmas, and hands the story over to a newspaper that treats Lance Armstrong like Glenn Beck/Fox News treats Obama. Something is not right here.

Firstly - it was not "French doping control" who initiated this investigation. It was the Central Office against Environmental Damage and Public Health - which found the hazardous waste.

An investigation was launched and then proceedings were started in October - todays report is more information on an ongoing investigation.

 

[53 x 11]

They reportedly found the said items in trash bags that were especially for medical waste. So that begs the question, what medical waste is allowed?

douche, lots O' douche.













would be allowed.

 

[Beech Mtn]

This material is supposed to have been taken during the last 4 TdF stages. The first of those stages was the day of the ITT when Lance sent all the cars to the airport to pick up friends, leaving Contador with no ride to the start area. It's going to be awfully ironic if the posturing of sending the cars away ended up leaving some staff member with no transportation to go dump doping equipment in another town.

Also, it seems that the teams were already being watched to some degree, and that this surveillance increased after the news broke about the UCI giving preferential treatment to Astana. It may be that whoever was in charge of dumping the "stuff" just couldn't escape the surveillance, and had no choice but to dump it in a less careful manner than is ideal.

 

[Rex Hunter]

This material is supposed to have been taken during the last 4 TdF stages.

Makes sense. They'd be running seriously low on vitamin levels by that stage of the tour. A nice injection in the buttock should sort that out.

 

[lwebb12]

The most important part.

Please tell us morons which part do you think is skewed because it is not obvious to me.

I don't recall calling anyone a moron.

If you think this way about yourself, more power to you.

What I am hollering here is that newspapers and news outlets frequently make something out of nothing for headlines.

Until team Astana and or the riders are prosecuted, I will say that this is merely news to tug at someone's heartstrings.

 

[lwebb12]

I'd like to know too, as I can't figure out what's "sensationalist" about it that isn't based on factual information presented by legal authorities.

Just how is it that you know otherwise from what's being presented and reported on?

There is a spin on the article, there is always a spin on any article.

To bury your head in the sand on any issue dealing with a newspaper is akin to burying your head vs doping in cycling with all the major suspects.

Newspapers spin articles to generate buzz and make money, not to report the "facts".

 

[lwebb12]

What is already annoying me is that Le Monde is being painted in some quarters as tabliod thrash. Now some Americans won't know whether or which, but the reality couldn't be farther from this. They think, just like the EPO story of 2005, that this is the 'gutter press'. I believe it imperative that Americans on this forum, who are not sure about these publications, acknowledge that they are very reputable. As David Walsh has said, Le Monde is one of the most high brow newspapers in Europe, and to call it a tabloid, like Lance did, is laughable. Now obviously I don't include people like Alpe and RR here, but I wanted to make that point.

I paint all news outlets as tabloid trash. Only because they write the headlines that sell the papers.

Bottom line rules the world today, as evident by all of the trauma the world has seen over the last 1.5 years.

 

[Parrot23]

Weighing things in the balance, the press are less tainted by self interest than the main protagonists in ANY story, even when some of those protagonists are telling the truth. It's just a division of labour thing. Nothing controversial about that (which is not to say they are not biased).

 

[Race Radio]

There is a spin on the article, there is always a spin on any article.

To bury your head in the sand on any issue dealing with a newspaper is akin to burying your head vs doping in cycling with all the major suspects.

Newspapers spin articles to generate buzz and make money, not to report the "facts".

I understand that the Media sometimes spins the news. What I am asking is what part of this article is spin? I am having trouble seeing it.

Time to go to bed, Santa is almost here!

 

[Clemson Cycling]

What it boils down to is newspaper companies want to sell newspapers and news companies want people to watch their news. Stories are stories and written through the eyes of someone with a vested interest. The French press is very French (and incredibly anti-American) so I ignore it.

 

[BroDeal]

What it boils down to is newspaper companies want to sell newspapers and news companies want people to watch their news. Stories are stories and written through the eyes of someone with a vested interest. The French press is very French (and incredibly anti-American) so I ignore it.

Must be nice to ignore all information that may force you to make a conclusion you don't want to make. Maybe Santa will bring you a clue. Although it will probably take someone with a lot more power than Santa to help.

 

[Clemson Cycling]

apparently this kitten is French

 

[Nalgas Hombre]

Bad news for Contador.

Agreed. Too bad, as Lance would have kicked his *** next year!

 

[Nalgas Hombre]

Well it seems my last post hit the spot and stopped everyone from trolling for a minute, which I suppose is a good thing. Problem is, if I start frantically responding to everyone then I will be accused of highjack the thread. Here's one though...



Doesn't sound like you're particularly sure. We want a hard translation, not more people saying they get the jist of the context.



Why is it different? Nobody has said this before. And others admit that IV equipment is allowed for "medical emergencies" i.e dehydration, so it doesn't seem like you have your facts right on that.



No they can be used for vitamins. Some teams now have a no needle rule, but many still use them - a jab on the bum. Greg LeMond admits to using iron injections. Again you have your facts wrong.



But you may know about the new and more unstable method of detecting DNA that was used in the McCanns case, for instance, and much criticsed, and used in this case in Italy, that is much less trustworthy and vague. It can be found on any surface. We will have to see what type of DNA they claim to have. If it was hard traditional DNA from blood, hair or saliva, that can be used in court, it seems to me they would have come forward by now. What on earth is the hold up?

Glad to help you out on this.

Thank you for enlightening these folk!

 

[Hugh Januss]

What it boils down to is I am incredibly stupid and gullible and I only believe what I want to believe. Stories are stories and unless they are written through the eyes of Lance Armstrong then they can't be true . The French press is very French (and incredibly anti-American) and I know that because Lance told me in a dream, so I ignore it.

I totally agree.

 

[Nalgas Hombre]

I totally agree.

Shack Attack

 

[Hugh Januss]

Shack Attacked by the French Police.

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[Nalgas Hombre]

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Ha ha ,,, its all a scam by the haters.

Dont be jealous that Lance and the Shack will smackdown a shack attack next year,

 

[Hugh Januss]

Ha ha ,,, its all a scam by the haters.

Dont be jealous that Lance and the Shack will smackdown a shack attack next year,

Only if they can get probation.

 

[Nalgas Hombre]

Only if they can get probation.

You should be worried about probation! Mr Slander man.