BroDeal said:
Well of course I don't accept that, but even if I did, it's still similar to formula 1. It doesn't matter how good a drive you are, you still have to be in a good car to win the F1 championship. Schumacher probably won it a few times despite having the second best car, because he is so good, but most of the time he had the best car. Part of his brillance was being able to communicate to the engineers exactly how to set the car up. He was very good at getting everyone in the team behind him and working on race strategy. It's not that different to top cyclists and dope. Dope alone is not going to win a race for you - you have to have a team working for you, and a good race strategy. Armstrong was great at doing that.
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I started watching cycling as a Lance fanboy, then I grew a brain and realised it was pretty obvious what was going on. I don't doubt Lance trains pretty hard, hired riders to ride for him day-day-out, etc. but you know, it sticks out like a sore thumb, especially with all the allegations against him, and how he tried to spin his work with Ferrari, as he only went to him for "advice". Unlike some, I don't care who or what he sleeps with or ever amount of children he has, I only care about the cycling, whether or not he doped, and the load of BS his story is.
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Cerberus said:
Yes. The bookies have certainly taken this latest development on board.
How about giving odds on the 7 DNAs draft?
Given all the various theories, I think mine would be:
100 to 1 on: "The rest"
2 to 1: Dimitriy "the mole" Muravyev
3 to 1: "Lucky" Leviano
5 to 1: Lance "I have medical minders" Armstrong
10 to 1:Alberto "No wheels, so no dope" Contador
Wow, I cant believe Bruyneel and Armstrong would just leave their questionable waste at the hotel or just hand it over as official waste. JB and LA have been around long enough to be smarter than that.
Rex Hunter said:
-Schumacher trained most days of the year, whereas other drivers just turned up to race weekends thinking they could compete with half the training.
-All the other drivers would go out and smash **** chasing A-Listers that might like to shag them.
-Schumacher and Brawn were the first combination to focus solely on winning the drivers championship.
-Schumacher did a lot more laps in testing.
-Schumacher did far more recon and spent more time studying race lines.
-Schumacher had too much experience, no young hotshots were ever going to beat him (until Fernando).
-Schumacher had unrivaled support from his team and 2nd driver, there was never going to be a Prost-Senna situation.
Oh wait, we don't need to make up excuses for F1 drivers.
The only comparison between Armstrong and Schumacher is that both won something very special 7 times, and both returned to their sport some time after retiring. Please leave it at that.
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Race Radio said:I really don't see why the French would need the UCI for the DNA. They have at least a few of the riders DNA and it would be simple for them to request it from Astana. If they do not comply then no racing in France until they do.....besides what would they have to hide?
I am a little confused about that part of the original article saying that the French need the cooperation UCI to get DNA. I don't know if there is not enough evidence for the French to get a court order to force the cyclists to give DNA. I also don't know if it is a way for the paper to put the UCI into the spotlight for not cooperating with the French on doping issues. I am guessing that it was added by the author of the article as a way to sell more papers and that the French do not need the UCI.
BTW, still laughing over the "what would they have to hide?" statement.
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CentralCaliBike said:
From the Le Monde Article
"they have made other discoveries in the garbage and hotel rooms of the former team of Lance Armstrong"
When this first was discussed a couple months ago the French also talked about finding items in and around the hotel.
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Race Radio said:
My initial thought is 'there's no way'. If any team knows how to take out the trash, it's Johan's team. I just don't see someone making a mistake like this.
My second thought is that they didn't take everyone to the Shack. Damn near everyone, but not everyone. There very well could be one disgruntled employee or Contador loyalist who was miffed.
If that's the case it would make LA's twitter campaign and head games during the Tour go from embarrassing to disastrous.
Maybe he and Johan should have waited until after the Tour to announce they were jumping ship...
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The Hog responds.
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/2...gs-of-Deja-Vu-about-Astana-investigation.aspx
''We cannot possibly defend against [the media reports] and we will not let it disturb our sleep.”
Interesting response, so he's not even gonna deny it??
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/2...gs-of-Deja-Vu-about-Astana-investigation.aspx
''We cannot possibly defend against [the media reports] and we will not let it disturb our sleep.”
Interesting response, so he's not even gonna deny it??
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131313 said:
While we all like to think that The Hog and Armstrong are all some master criminals to avoid detection we also need to remember that these are the same guys whose used to give all the used stuff to the team chiropractor to dump in a gas station trash can.
I think there is much more to the location of where this was found and how it was observed.
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What really annoys me about this new scandal is the timing- I understand this is a Criminal Case and not a Doping one, but if those items where found "while in competition", wouldn't the police had made an official report at least close to the conclusion of the event, or made an officially statement a month later for "violations of Health code" by some TDF teams & will be pursuit for some time while the facts & the evidence are being analyzed properly-so therefore they could avoid the typical "mishandling" argument successfully used in the past?. -No surprise if someone getting busted will use the "blame it on the LAB" resource either.....
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Race Radio said:
There are any number of "innocent" explanations for why the waste was disposed of where it was. Perhaps the guy responsible was supposed to get rid of it miles away but he was lazy or pushed for time that day, so he dropped in with everyone else's waste. Maybe there was a screw up where "hot" waste was to be disposed of specially and more normal medical waste was to be discarded in official bins but the rehydration IVs went to the wrong place; this could be a simple misunderstanding because IVs were so common and legal in the recent past. Maybe there was an understanding between teams and the UCI that the medical waste bins were a safe way to get rid of illicit material, but the people responsible for disposing of waste never considered that the police would seize it. There does not need to be a conspiracy or disgruntled employee.
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mm, this whole situation is weird, very weird.
But ok, I think it's just a matter of time, and then no one will remember.
Or is there more? We will see!
but stop writing scenarios
But ok, I think it's just a matter of time, and then no one will remember.
Or is there more? We will see!
but stop writing scenarios
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Gotta laugh.
Does this mean that Levi the Lizard and Wiggo the Wonder--and, dare one say, Cadel the Cuddly--just maybe, just maybe, are going to be fighting it out for the win at next year's Tour, against the Bambino Schlock brother?
Here's to having a Levi vs. Cuddles' dog fight at the podium this year. (Their pooches, not them,). Would beat a national anthem mix-up.
Levi may be the biggest winner of all from crashing at last year's Tour.
Does this mean that Levi the Lizard and Wiggo the Wonder--and, dare one say, Cadel the Cuddly--just maybe, just maybe, are going to be fighting it out for the win at next year's Tour, against the Bambino Schlock brother?
Here's to having a Levi vs. Cuddles' dog fight at the podium this year. (Their pooches, not them,
). Would beat a national anthem mix-up. Levi may be the biggest winner of all from crashing at last year's Tour.
I have problems trusting French publications, as well as trusting that the team was clean.
It will pass over as tabloid press just like always.
It will pass over as tabloid press just like always.
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lwebb12 said:
This is coming from Le Monde, the most prestigious newspaper in France. It is far from a tabloid.
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