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Race Radio said:This is coming from Le Monde, the most prestigious newspaper in France. It is far from a tabloid.
...its not Fox News, so you'll never convince him...
Race Radio said:This is coming from Le Monde, the most prestigious newspaper in France. It is far from a tabloid.
hfer07 said:What really annoys me about this new scandal is the timing- I understand this is a Criminal Case and not a Doping one, but if those items where found "while in competition", wouldn't the police had made an official report at least close to the conclusion of the event, or made an officially statement a month later for "violations of Health code" by some TDF teams & will be pursuit for some time while the facts & the evidence are being analyzed properly-so therefore they could avoid the typical "mishandling" argument successfully used in the past?. -No surprise if someone getting busted will use the "blame it on the LAB" resource either.....
Oh, that is right...newspapers never print sensational articles for ratings.Race Radio said:This is coming from Le Monde, the most prestigious newspaper in France. It is far from a tabloid.
Fox News is horrible trash.Thoughtforfood said:...its not Fox News, so you'll never convince him...
Thoughtforfood said:Blow me....and MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!
pedaling squares said:It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. I wonder what tactics we will see from The Hog and The Boss. Blame the press? ...
lwebb12 said:I have problems trusting French publications...
poupou said:There have been 2 publications, the first in July 27th announcing that dubious equipment were found, then a second in october saying that an official preliminary inquiry was on. This third is the result of the preliminary inquiry.
Alpe d'Huez said:And why didn't anyone sign Kashechkin? Okay, he doped, but he served his suspension. He also showed talent when he was young, so it's not like it was only doping that made him at least decent. You'd think Astana at the least give him another shot.
Susan Westemeyer said:Kashechkin and Vinokourov are no longer best friends, and are said not to be talking to one another any more. That may have something to do with it.
Are you accusing me of being in the legion?pedaling squares said:Should have included tactics from their legion of fans willing to buy their BS.
How much do you really know about journalism? To make such a blanket claim like that, to imply that a periodical like at the highest level might be contradicting or embellishing police reports to create a sensation here is an abhorrent concept.lwebb12 said:Oh, that is right...newspapers never print sensational articles for ratings.
What is in print is skewed to produce ratings, rarely are all the facts presented in proper light. Same thing for television. That is why a news paper has a retractions column buried in the middle of it.Alpe d'Huez said:How much do you really know about journalism? To make such a blanket claim like that, to imply that a periodical like at the highest level might be contradicting or embellishing police reports to create a sensation here is an abhorrent concept.
CyclingNews is an on-line publication. They translated and re-printed the article. Do you think they may have done so as "sensational" for ratings?
LeMonde is akin to Time, USA Today, or the NY Times or Washington Post. This isn't something like Fox News, or Pravda, or even Outside or VeloNews (which do print crap, IMO). When journalists at a prestigious level like this make screw-up's or "print sensational articles", there's often hell to pay internally, and from their peers. Witness what happened to Jayson Blair.
Obviously there have been journalism scandals, even at high quality publications and networks. But to just assume something like this article by Le Monde is sensational is like pointing at Michael Vick and saying you don't believe in Payton Manning, because NFL quarterbacks sometimes get involved in dog fighting rings.
lwebb12 said:What is in print is skewed to produce ratings, rarely are all the facts presented in proper light. Same thing for television. That is why a news paper has a retractions column buried in the middle of it.
USA Today...a hearty laugh indeed.
I take my news like I take my cycling, with lots of distrust and amusement.
BikeCentric said:I have little to add aside from a request to whoever keeps finding those "cats with captions" pictures: keep 'em coming, those things are frickin' hilarious!
It may be partially true, but it is skewed to generate buzz and ratings. It seems to have succeeded.Race Radio said:Which part of the story do you think is invented? Do you think they did not actually find syringes in Astana's trash and it just one of those joke stories like you see about Britney Spears having a two headed love child?
lwebb12 said:Are you accusing me of being in the legion?
lwebb12 said:It may be partially true, but it is skewed to generate buzz and ratings. It seems to have succeeded.
Sweet I can't wait to use all my "perks".pedaling squares said:Absolutely. A card carrying member with VIP access. Just not to the team bus in the first 45 minutes following a race.
Nah, I was poking fun at your general critique of all publications of one of the world's advanced and open nations. I think you bought into the myth, that's all. No harm meant, Merry Christmas!
That is only one part of the article.Race Radio said:How is "Syringes found in Astana's trash" Skewed?
lwebb12 said:That is only one part of the article.
What is already annoying me is that Le Monde is being painted in some quarters as tabliod thrash. Now some Americans won't know whether or which, but the reality couldn't be farther from this. They think, just like the EPO story of 2005, that this is the 'gutter press'. I believe it imperative that Americans on this forum, who are not sure about these publications, acknowledge that they are very reputable. As David Walsh has said, Le Monde is one of the most high brow newspapers in Europe, and to call it a tabloid, like Lance did, is laughable. Now obviously I don't include people like Alpe and RR here, but I wanted to make that point.
BikeCentric said:I have little to add aside from a request to whoever keeps finding those "cats with captions" pictures: keep 'em coming, those things are frickin' hilarious!