Astana transfusion equipment "Criminal"

[Anonymous]

This is coming from Le Monde, the most prestigious newspaper in France. It is far from a tabloid.

...its not Fox News, so you'll never convince him...

 

[poupou]

What really annoys me about this new scandal is the timing- I understand this is a Criminal Case and not a Doping one, but if those items where found "while in competition", wouldn't the police had made an official report at least close to the conclusion of the event, or made an officially statement a month later for "violations of Health code" by some TDF teams & will be pursuit for some time while the facts & the evidence are being analyzed properly-so therefore they could avoid the typical "mishandling" argument successfully used in the past?. -No surprise if someone getting busted will use the "blame it on the LAB" resource either.....

There have been 2 publications, the first in July 27th announcing that dubious equipment were found, then a second in october saying that an official preliminary inquiry was on. This third is the result of the preliminary inquiry.

 

[lwebb12]

This is coming from Le Monde, the most prestigious newspaper in France. It is far from a tabloid.

Oh, that is right...newspapers never print sensational articles for ratings.

 

[lwebb12]

...its not Fox News, so you'll never convince him...

Fox News is horrible trash.

 

[pedaling squares]

Blow me....and MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!

I think TFT is going to spend Christmas unwrapping a couple of PM's.

Does anyone here know if French law permits the investigators to get new DNA samples from riders for offences against their doping legislation? That they have an investigative body for enviro and health law suggests that they would have some fairly in-depth legislation in this area. Either way, this is a good opportunity for the UCI to put up or shut up about doping.

 

[pedaling squares]

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. I wonder what tactics we will see from The Hog and The Boss. Blame the press? ...

I have problems trusting French publications...

Should have included tactics from their legion of fans willing to buy their BS.

 

[hfer07]

There have been 2 publications, the first in July 27th announcing that dubious equipment were found, then a second in october saying that an official preliminary inquiry was on. This third is the result of the preliminary inquiry.

Thanks Poupou- I was only aware of the delays on testing & the bogus LA blood numbers-Which all makes sense-but didn't know about that equipment being found, and how far the investigation was into the case. So seems to me like the new season is going to bring an early retirement for some of the elders from the Shack.

 

[Psalmon]

And why didn't anyone sign Kashechkin? Okay, he doped, but he served his suspension. He also showed talent when he was young, so it's not like it was only doping that made him at least decent. You'd think Astana at the least give him another shot.

Kashechkin and Vinokourov are no longer best friends, and are said not to be talking to one another any more. That may have something to do with it.

I'm half way through the 2007 Tour (basement training) and every time Vino was in trouble (often), Kashechkin was up the road trying to stay with the lead group. Kloden routinely dropped back to help Vino. Some animosity either started there or was already in place.

That dynamic, both those guys getting caught doping at the same time, there's a lot behind that veil.

 

[lwebb12]

Should have included tactics from their legion of fans willing to buy their BS.

Are you accusing me of being in the legion?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Oh, that is right...newspapers never print sensational articles for ratings.

How much do you really know about journalism? To make such a blanket claim like that, to imply that a periodical like at the highest level might be contradicting or embellishing police reports to create a sensation here is an abhorrent concept.

CyclingNews is an on-line publication. They translated and re-printed the article. Do you think they may have done so as "sensational" for ratings?

LeMonde is akin to Time, USA Today, or the NY Times or Washington Post. This isn't something like Fox News, or Pravda, or even Outside or VeloNews (which do print crap, IMO). When journalists at a prestigious level like this make screw-up's or "print sensational articles", there's often hell to pay internally, and from their peers. Witness what happened to Jayson Blair.

Obviously there have been journalism scandals, even at high quality publications and networks. But to just assume something like this article by Le Monde is sensational is like pointing at Michael Vick and saying you don't believe in Payton Manning, because NFL quarterbacks sometimes get involved in dog fighting rings.

 

[BikeCentric]

Looks like you guys and gals have covered all the bases in this thread and I'm late to the party.

I have little to add aside from a request to whoever keeps finding those "cats with captions" pictures: keep 'em coming, those things are frickin' hilarious!

 

[lwebb12]

How much do you really know about journalism? To make such a blanket claim like that, to imply that a periodical like at the highest level might be contradicting or embellishing police reports to create a sensation here is an abhorrent concept.

CyclingNews is an on-line publication. They translated and re-printed the article. Do you think they may have done so as "sensational" for ratings?

LeMonde is akin to Time, USA Today, or the NY Times or Washington Post. This isn't something like Fox News, or Pravda, or even Outside or VeloNews (which do print crap, IMO). When journalists at a prestigious level like this make screw-up's or "print sensational articles", there's often hell to pay internally, and from their peers. Witness what happened to Jayson Blair.

Obviously there have been journalism scandals, even at high quality publications and networks. But to just assume something like this article by Le Monde is sensational is like pointing at Michael Vick and saying you don't believe in Payton Manning, because NFL quarterbacks sometimes get involved in dog fighting rings.

What is in print is skewed to produce ratings, rarely are all the facts presented in proper light. Same thing for television. That is why a news paper has a retractions column buried in the middle of it.

USA Today...a hearty laugh indeed.

I take my news like I take my cycling, with lots of distrust and amusement.

 

[Race Radio]

What is in print is skewed to produce ratings, rarely are all the facts presented in proper light. Same thing for television. That is why a news paper has a retractions column buried in the middle of it.

USA Today...a hearty laugh indeed.

I take my news like I take my cycling, with lots of distrust and amusement.

Which part of the story do you think is invented? Do you think they did not actually find syringes in Astana's trash and it just one of those joke stories like you see about Britney Spears having a two headed love child?

 

[krebs303]

I have little to add aside from a request to whoever keeps finding those "cats with captions" pictures: keep 'em coming, those things are frickin' hilarious!

 

[lwebb12]

Which part of the story do you think is invented? Do you think they did not actually find syringes in Astana's trash and it just one of those joke stories like you see about Britney Spears having a two headed love child?

It may be partially true, but it is skewed to generate buzz and ratings. It seems to have succeeded.

 

[pedaling squares]

Are you accusing me of being in the legion?

Absolutely. A card carrying member with VIP access. Just not to the team bus in the first 45 minutes following a race.

Nah, I was poking fun at your general critique of all publications of one of the world's advanced and open nations. I think you bought into the myth, that's all. No harm meant, Merry Christmas!

 

[Race Radio]

It may be partially true, but it is skewed to generate buzz and ratings. It seems to have succeeded.

How is "Syringes found in Astana's trash" Skewed?

 

[lwebb12]

Absolutely. A card carrying member with VIP access. Just not to the team bus in the first 45 minutes following a race.

Nah, I was poking fun at your general critique of all publications of one of the world's advanced and open nations. I think you bought into the myth, that's all. No harm meant, Merry Christmas!

Sweet I can't wait to use all my "perks".

Well, to be fair newspapers and news outlets in general put spin on articles. Sensationalism in the simplest form.

 

[lwebb12]

How is "Syringes found in Astana's trash" Skewed?

That is only one part of the article.

 

[Race Radio]

That is only one part of the article.

The most important part.

Please tell us morons which part do you think is skewed because it is not obvious to me.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I'd like to know too, as I can't figure out what's "sensationalist" about it that isn't based on factual information presented by legal authorities.

Just how is it that you know otherwise from what's being presented and reported on?

 

[Digger]

What is already annoying me is that Le Monde is being painted in some quarters as tabliod thrash. Now some Americans won't know whether or which, but the reality couldn't be farther from this. They think, just like the EPO story of 2005, that this is the 'gutter press'. I believe it imperative that Americans on this forum, who are not sure about these publications, acknowledge that they are very reputable. As David Walsh has said, Le Monde is one of the most high brow newspapers in Europe, and to call it a tabloid, like Lance did, is laughable. Now obviously I don't include people like Alpe and RR here, but I wanted to make that point.

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Wait so let me get this straight. The French doping control finds suspicious syringes from the Astana team during the Tour in July, allows Contador and team to finish and win the race, waits until two days before Christmas, and hands the story over to a newspaper that treats Lance Armstrong like Glenn Beck/Fox News treats Obama. Something is not right here.

 

[Clemson Cycling]

What is already annoying me is that Le Monde is being painted in some quarters as tabliod thrash. Now some Americans won't know whether or which, but the reality couldn't be farther from this. They think, just like the EPO story of 2005, that this is the 'gutter press'. I believe it imperative that Americans on this forum, who are not sure about these publications, acknowledge that they are very reputable. As David Walsh has said, Le Monde is one of the most high brow newspapers in Europe, and to call it a tabloid, like Lance did, is laughable. Now obviously I don't include people like Alpe and RR here, but I wanted to make that point.

As far as their cycling credibility goes, how many times did they report Wiggins was going to sign with Sky before they got it right?

 

[53 x 11]

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