Astana transfusion equipment "Criminal"

[Rex Hunter]

Again the troll plays stupid to disrupt the thread.

It does not matter if the equipment was used to infuse blood, saline, or pink lemonade. It's all against the law and contrary to WADA rules.

But it is allowed for medical emergencies and was once openly used as a short cut to hydration during the night. Unless it is proved that they used it for doping purposes then it won't be much more than a tap on the wrist. It's a grey area. I should be allowed to mention this, surely? The thread should not be just people patting each other on the back for talking about how bad blood doping is.

 

[Race Radio]

But you can't actually cite anything though. That's the key. Nobody ever does.
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That you continue to lie about this only enhances you are a troll

-Betsy should have lied because perjury was the right thing to do.
-Pro Cyclist never doped with Cortisone
-The development of Armstrong's frontal lobe
-Multiple lies about me and other posters

On this thread alone you have

-Been shown multiple times by native French speakers that "Formation" is French for team you continued to say that this was all about AC
-Trying to diminish the fact that dips are illegal by saying that they were just for dehydration or vitamins.
-Claiming you had pointed out multiple topics, when you were wrong on all points.

You tactic has always been the same. Write something completely ***, pretend persecution when questions, call everyone else a troll. Anything to get attention and insure that the topic is not discussed.

 

[Rex Hunter]

It's not necessarily selective. We hardly have any details to make a judgment.

Precisely. That's the point I have made. For all we know another team might have put their waste in someone elses bag so they couldn't be fingered. Who knows the truth. That's why it's strange some people are certain they know what has happened here.

All we know is that reports from police authorities say Astana is under investigation for doping related waste. How do you know if they were selective? How do you know Astana didn't just get busted?

I don't know if they are selective. At this stage all we have is our senses, and to me there is a lot of fishiness for obvious reasons. That might just be unlucky perception for the agencies involved and they weren't on any sort of witch hunt against one team whilst not bothering to follow up evidence for others, but then again it might not be.

 

[BroDeal]

But it is allowed for medical emergencies and was once openly used as a short cut to hydration during the night. Unless it is proved that they used it for doping purposes then it won't be much more than a tap on the wrist. It's a grey area. I should be allowed to mention this, surely? The thread should not be just people patting each other on the back for talking about how bad blood doping is.

It is not a gray area, you dumbass. It does not matter whether it was once legal. So were lots of things before they were banned. It is not permitted now. The medical emergency use is ludicrous. How can anyone explain that seven out of eight team members needed IVs for a medical emergency. Where is the TUE? Where is the documentation? If they were so bad off then how did they finish the Tour? That explanation would be laughed out of court.

 

[Race Radio]

But it is allowed for medical emergencies and was once openly used as a short cut to hydration during the night. Unless it is proved that they used it for doping purposes then it won't be much more than a tap on the wrist. It's a grey area. I should be allowed to mention this, surely? The thread should not be just people patting each other on the back for talking about how bad blood doping is.

Thank you for proving you are a troll

It is NOT a grey area. Just because in the past the rules did not keep up with the dopers does not mean it is OK. They do not need to prove they were used for doping, possession alone is enough.

Your games are getting more obvious as you run out of material

 

[sars1981]

Precisely. That's the point I have made. For all we know another team might have put their waste in someone elses bag so they couldn't be fingered. Who knows the truth. That's why it's strange some people are certain they know what has happened here.

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But your speculation is much less rational that what is being reported. Some other team might have put their waste into Astana's trash bin? Yeah, sure. Maybe someone contaminated Lances anonymous sample that tested positive at an impartial lab? Maybe, maybe, maybe. The real question is are your speculations more plausible than other conclusions drawn? Why would you jump to this hypothesis about trash getting confused?

 

[Rex Hunter]

That you continue to lie about this only enhances you are a troll

Can you explain how I lied?

-Betsy should have lied because perjury was the right thing to do.
-Pro Cyclist never doped with Cortisone
-The development of Armstrong's frontal lobe
-Multiple lies about me and other posters

Pssst, other people will have seen me answer these same talking points, taking from six months ago and out of context, several times in other threads. It doesn't work any longer.

-Been shown multiple times by native French speakers that "Formation" is French for team you continued to say that this was all about AC

But we didn't know to begin with. Obviously. The posters only said it might mean formation but they weren't sure. Eventually someone who did know pretty much confirmed that it wasn't singling out Contador. Why is it trolling? You will not explain.

-Trying to diminish the fact that dips are illegal by saying that they were just for dehydration or vitamins.

Yes? It's duel use equipment. Why would you expect me to lie that it's not? It's obviously unhelpful to you, who wants it to be a thread where we say the evidence confirms doping, but it's not trolling, is it. It's just something you don't like. Do you see the difference. Trolling = deliberately making things up or trying to disrupt legitimate conversion. Something you don't like = information that could potentially prove innocents. Can you grasp that?

-Claiming you had pointed out multiple topics, when you were wrong on all points.

No I wasn't. You and your pals spammed up pictures with funny little quotes while I debated the topic. Thinking about that, it's incredible that you have the nerve to say other people are trolls. Really think about that people. This guy and his pals used up about 12 pages of this thread posting pictures of cats!

You tactic has always been the same. Write something completely ***, pretend persecution when questions, call everyone else a troll. Anything to get attention and insure that the topic is not discussed.

Your tactic in this thread was the same old one. Pretend a simple little question was trolling because it caught you out, then bring up the same lot of spin about me trolling that you can't support. On the other thread you did the same thing, again bringing up the frontal lobe issue again. Why do you keep mispresenting that very rudimentary brain science? Why are you such a liar, Racey?

 

[Rex Hunter]

It is not a gray area, you dumbass. It does not matter whether it was once legal. So were lots of things before they were banned. It is not permitted now. The medical emergency use is ludicrous. How can anyone explain that seven out of eight team members needed IVs for a medical emergency. Where is the TUE? Where is the documentation? If they were so bad off then how did they finish the Tour? That explanation would be laughed out of court.

I'm afraid it is much more a grey area than you want to make out. Drips have been used for hydration for years and were common place in the 1990s when the drug of choice was EPO and not blood doping. It maybe against the rules but it's obviously a lot harder for the authorities to really nail them on it if there is no blood bags or dope along with it.

 

[Race Radio]

Babble babble babble. More smoke and no facts

Thank you for proving my point. I know that you only want to bait people into into replying to your garbage becuase you need attention.

This will be what, your 7th or 8th username on ignore?

 

[Rex Hunter]

Thank you for proving you are a troll

It is NOT a grey area. Just because in the past the rules did not keep up with the dopers does not mean it is OK. They do not need to prove they were used for doping, possession alone is enough.

Your games are getting more obvious as you run out of material

Seriously, guys, you know very well that has been much debate about this drip issue for years. I know you have to try to make out I am saying something extraordinary, but it has been grey area for a long time. It maybe against the rules and they are now finally deciding to crack down on it - at least for Astana - but I'm afraid you know it's no where near as damaging a find as blood bags, testosterone or EPO. Cut out this trolling crap.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Thank you for proving my point.

I think you might have originally gotten that line from me you know. I used it in some of my first exchanges on here, and ever since you've used it. Anyways, it's same line you use every time I actually answer your points. You're good at doing the smear bit, but actually backing up the detail is not a good area for you.

 

[sars1981]

I'm afraid it is much more a grey area than you want to make out. Drips have been used for hydration for years and were common place in the 1990s when the drug of choice was EPO and not blood doping. It maybe against the rules but it's obviously a lot harder for the authorities to really nail them on it if there is no blood bags or dope along with it.

Yeah, you might even be right. If there are no blood bags or photographs of the team transfusing maybe Astana will successfully claim the equipment is for medical use. Or maybe they will claim it was someone else's trash and get away with that. These things wouldnt surprise me at all. You will ecstatic because your heroes image remains intact.

 

[sars1981]

Seriously, guys, you know very well that has been much debate about this drip issue for years. I know you have to try to make out I am saying something extraordinary, but it has been grey area for a long time. It maybe against the rules and they are now finally deciding to crack down on it - at least for Astana - but I'm afraid you know it's no where near as damaging a find as blood bags, testosterone or EPO. Cut out this trolling crap.

Course it's not as damaging as finding blood bags or EPO. It's still pretty bad though. What's your point?

 

[Rex Hunter]

But your speculation is much less rational that what is being reported. Some other team might have put their waste into Astana's trash bin? Yeah, sure. Maybe someone contaminated Lances anonymous sample that tested positive at an impartial lab? Maybe, maybe, maybe. The real question is are your speculations more plausible than other conclusions drawn? Why would you jump to this hypothesis about trash getting confused?

No I don't think it's like saying a lab is faking a test. Many people who suspect the worst of Astana have already commented on how incredible it is that Astana would drop doping waste into the general medical waste bags they were given. It does seem extraordinary. It would be interesting to know if anyone else could have gotten access to it. It would obviously be much easier for another team to simply dump waste in someone elses bag rather than not have to send people off around the country. I'm not saying 'this is what happened', but I don't rule it out at all.

The only team in cycling that drops it's doping waste neatly into the medical bags? Just doesn't quite smell right.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Course it's not as damaging as finding blood bags or EPO. It's still pretty bad though. What's your point?

The point? It's easier to get out of. There is potentially another explanation. How they would explain vials of EPO and blood bags I don't know.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Anyway, this might be the last time you see me in this form... Nite.

 

[BroDeal]

Anyway, this might be the last time you see me in this form... Nite.

If that happened it might convince me to believe in god.

 

[sars1981]

No I don't think it's like saying a lab is faking a test. Many people who suspect the worst of Astana have already commented on how incredible it is that Astana would drop doping waste into the general medical waste bags they were given. It does seem extraordinary. It would be interesting to know if anyone else could have gotten access to it. It would obviously be much easier for another team to simply dump waste in someone elses bag rather than not have to send people off around the country. I'm not saying 'this is what happened', but I don't rule it out at all.

The only team in cycling that drops it's doping waste neatly into the medical bags? Just doesn't quite smell right.

Yr right, it is incredible. But like you have said, we dont know the circumstances. A million things could have necessitated this. Accepting that this trash was found is no less incredible than believing this is all some multi-faceted conspiracy by the French authorities to nail Astana or that some other team "planted" the material.

I find it interesting that there has been no statements from those accused. This sounds exactly like them waiting to see what evidence exists before they start making bull**** excuses that will make them look foolish later. I guess you are not required to wait.

 

[Race Radio]

Yr right, it is incredible. But like you have said, we dont know the circumstances. A million things could have necessitated this. Accepting that this trash was found is no less incredible than believing this is all some multi-faceted conspiracy by the French authorities to nail Astana or that some other team "planted" the material.

I find it interesting that there has been no statements from those accused. This sounds exactly like them waiting to see what evidence exists before they start making bull**** excuses that will make them look foolish later. I guess you are not required to wait.

As has been pointed out multiple times. The transfusion gear was not necessarily found in the official medical waste containers. Most of the media reports have it being found in hotels, either garbage or athletes rooms.

There is no grey area on infusions. They are banned by WADA since 2006 and are illegal in France. No matter how many times the resident troll tries to pretend this is not the case.

 

[sars1981]

As has been pointed out multiple times. The transfusion gear was not necessarily found in the official medical waste containers. Most of the media reports have it being found in hotels, either garbage or athletes rooms.

There is no grey area on infusions. They are banned by WADA since 2006 and are illegal in France. No matter how many times the resident troll tries to pretend this is not the case.

Yeah, in "athletes rooms" would suggest some kind of siesure though yeah? Perhaps based on some tip-off or something? There's so many things I would like to know. I am not making excuses. Despite laws, I can just easily imagine this being covered up. I hope not.

 

[Ferminal]

Thank you for proving you are a troll

It is NOT a grey area. Just because in the past the rules did not keep up with the dopers does not mean it is OK. They do not need to prove they were used for doping, possession alone is enough.

Your games are getting more obvious as you run out of material

But transfusions have only been banned for a few decades, before that it was legal. It's a very grey area whether or not transfusions are actually banned They can be used to treat anaemia which is why they would have blood bags and IVs on standby.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I'm just amazed that the fanboys have miss an obvious piece of deflection, as pointing the finger at Lance's muscle bound minders, for the dumping of any possible HGH tainted syringes, IVs, roids, etc etc etc.

 

[ELMER MCCOY]

Unconditionally dismissed just means the DA or court dismissed it without you having to do anything to get it dismissed. In other words, you paid no fines,