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That's not saying muchmarkene2 said:You obviously know **** about Lutsenko, he has been a major talent for Hilly classics and long hard races for years, and has one of the biggest engines in the peloton.
Sure the team is dirty, but he is the least suspicious you could have picked.
Tricycle Rider said:Doped to the gills. But aren't they all?
(Come on, have a sense of humor about this.)
Major talent ? What major races over the years has he won ?markene2 said:You obviously know **** about Lutsenko, he has been a major talent for Hilly classics and long hard races for years, and has one of the biggest engines in the peloton.
Sure the team is dirty, but he is the least suspicious you could have picked.
noddy69 said:Major talent ? What major races over the years has he won ?markene2 said:You obviously know **** about Lutsenko, he has been a major talent for Hilly classics and long hard races for years, and has one of the biggest engines in the peloton.
Sure the team is dirty, but he is the least suspicious you could have picked.
A stage in PN and the Tour de Suisse is about all I can find. Not exactly the same as walking up a wall in the Vuelta when he won that stage- the steepest climb in parts I've seen in pro cycling and he sauntered up it like a mountain goat.
Astana if they got their S**t together could run with Sky but seem to hunt stages
Try looking at his espoir records then. He won the U23 Worlds at Valkenburg, an MTF at Les Saisies in l'Avenir, an uphill finish stage of the Giro della Valle d'Aosta - ahead of Aru, Meintjes and Teuns.noddy69 said:Major talent ? What major races over the years has he won ?markene2 said:You obviously know **** about Lutsenko, he has been a major talent for Hilly classics and long hard races for years, and has one of the biggest engines in the peloton.
Sure the team is dirty, but he is the least suspicious you could have picked.
A stage in PN and the Tour de Suisse is about all I can find. Not exactly the same as walking up a wall in the Vuelta when he won that stage- the steepest climb in parts I've seen in pro cycling and he sauntered up it like a mountain goat.
Astana if they got their S**t together could run with Sky but seem to hunt stages
DanielSong39 said:Astana, like Movistar and BMC, appears to have been left behind by modern methods.
Libertine Seguros said:Try looking at his espoir records then. He won the U23 Worlds at Valkenburg, an MTF at Les Saisies in l'Avenir, an uphill finish stage of the Giro della Valle d'Aosta - ahead of Aru, Meintjes and Teuns.noddy69 said:Major talent ? What major races over the years has he won ?markene2 said:You obviously know **** about Lutsenko, he has been a major talent for Hilly classics and long hard races for years, and has one of the biggest engines in the peloton.
Sure the team is dirty, but he is the least suspicious you could have picked.
A stage in PN and the Tour de Suisse is about all I can find. Not exactly the same as walking up a wall in the Vuelta when he won that stage- the steepest climb in parts I've seen in pro cycling and he sauntered up it like a mountain goat.
Astana if they got their S**t together could run with Sky but seem to hunt stages
That was while 19, he turned pro at 20. If he'd continued racing espoir races for another two years, or been allowed by the rules at that point to go back and do l'Avenir like Soler, Sebastian Henao and Bernal, maybe it'd be different.
roundabout said:Libertine Seguros said:Try looking at his espoir records then. He won the U23 Worlds at Valkenburg, an MTF at Les Saisies in l'Avenir, an uphill finish stage of the Giro della Valle d'Aosta - ahead of Aru, Meintjes and Teuns.noddy69 said:Major talent ? What major races over the years has he won ?markene2 said:You obviously know **** about Lutsenko, he has been a major talent for Hilly classics and long hard races for years, and has one of the biggest engines in the peloton.
Sure the team is dirty, but he is the least suspicious you could have picked.
A stage in PN and the Tour de Suisse is about all I can find. Not exactly the same as walking up a wall in the Vuelta when he won that stage- the steepest climb in parts I've seen in pro cycling and he sauntered up it like a mountain goat.
Astana if they got their S**t together could run with Sky but seem to hunt stages
That was while 19, he turned pro at 20. If he'd continued racing espoir races for another two years, or been allowed by the rules at that point to go back and do l'Avenir like Soler, Sebastian Henao and Bernal, maybe it'd be different.
You make it sound like he beat Aru, Meintjes et al head to head which obviously wasn't the case. The only rider of the 3 you mentioned who was in the break with him was Teuns.
And let's gloss over the 30+ minutes that he lost over the previous 2 stages. Real sign of talent for long hard races right there.
Cannot see how BMC is left behind. The best team in one week races this year and pissibly in classics.DanielSong39 said:Astana, like Movistar and BMC, appears to have been left behind by modern methods.
Valv.Piti said:I don't care if they juice the **** up if we see a Astana-Froome showdown like in 2015 with Alberto. Preferably with Sky being as week as Tinkoff!
Rollthedice said:Valv.Piti said:I don't care if they juice the **** up if we see a Astana-Froome showdown like in 2015 with Alberto. Preferably with Sky being as week as Tinkoff!
No money for juice. It's amazing what pan y agua plus the usual Vino motivation can do.