Australian Crime Commission investigation finds widespread doping

[D-Queued]

come on Dave, you know Aussies dont dope. Just like Canadians. Only dopes in Canadia (sic) are Pound D!ck

That is Canuckistan to you!

We have our token doper. Ben allows us to prove to the world that we are clean now, having removed doping from the system.

What about Oz?

Dave.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

That is Canuckistan to you!

We have our token doper. Ben allows us to prove to the world that we are clean now, having removed doping from the system.

What about Oz?

Dave.

Yep. Ben (Cousins) has been removed from the (AFL) system. I think. Quick google says otherwise. But nothing a solid piece of carpet and a stiff broom can't handle.

How about you 'mericans? Got any Bens you can point at as proof you don't dope?

 

[rickshaw]

Its easy...

... to kick the latest doping perps when they get busted. Let's be honest. The ONLY place the authorities uncover organized PED use and corruption is where they look for it. USA, ITALY, SPAIN, [ your favorite country name here], professional, Olympic. Curling might be clean.

 

[Alphabet]

Cricket Australia's chief executive James Sutherland has said there was no evidence linking cricket to an Australian Crime Commission report that has found widespread drug use in Australian professional sport as well as links to organised crime and possible match-fixing.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/603668.html

Not sure what to make of that. He could be covering up, but if this stuff is getting released to the public then he'll look an idiot.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

... to kick the latest doping perps when they get busted. Let's be honest. The ONLY place the authorities uncover organized PED use and corruption is where they look for it. USA, ITALY, SPAIN, [ your favorite country name here], professional, Olympic. Curling might be clean.

Yeah truth, fiction and strangeness and all that.

Paralympic (wheelchair) curler done for doping: http://deadspin.com/5893881/what-is-going-on-with-all-the-doping-in-wheelchair-curling

 

[sniper]

Yeah truth, fiction and strangeness and all that.

Paralympic (wheelchair) curler done for doping: http://deadspin.com/5893881/what-is-going-on-with-all-the-doping-in-wheelchair-curling

Epic stuff.

As an estrogen blocker, it's often used by PED users to counteract the wild hormone swings brought on by steroid use. An anti-"***** tits" drug, if you will. Manny Ramirez was tied to tamoxifen use back in 2009, before testing positive for a separate fertility drug with similar effects.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

the ****e tissue injuries are all cos they take hypertrophy androgens.

these stengthen the red tissue (muscle) make speed and power for the type 1 muscle fibres.

problem, the homones dont stengthen the white tssue. ligaments and tendons = they tear them, break them, need reconstucting. See Tiger Wooods problems with injuries.

bowling is already an action not natural to a human body. now add a power and a ballistic movement the body neve carried the natural strength and explosivity, then we have beakdowns of the body.

Ryan Harris the Australian bowler used to be a mediocre first class cricket for Qld. Then he came to SA about 3 years after, about 2kgs of muscle heavier, and bowling at top about 148-150. Riddle me that. Went from ordinay medium pacer at fist class level to opening the test bowling and leading the attack at Jeff Thompson speed. something is not normail.

A little mixed up about Ryan Harris. Harris is a South Australian (although born in NSW) who, you are right, played for a number of years and was only a medium pacer who it was hoped could bat a bit, perhaps an allrounder. He then came out before his last year, or second last year for SA and was bowling much faster. He then left SA and went to QLD. He has been riddled with injuries, probably because he is pushing his body beyond what it can do.

 

[buckle]

Australians will recover from this ...

Doping, illicit gambling and organised crime are no problem to Australians. The real villian in all of this remains Fabio Grosso. I wouldn't mind if he had blond hair and blue eyes!

 

[sugarman]

Does this mean we can start speculating on who is doing what?

id be happy to wager that essendon were heavily mentioned in the unedited investigation, and tipped off as such - hench their desire to 'self-report' a couple of days ago.

doping has always been rife in other sports, it's about time it was exposed to all to see.
Although most of the press in Australia in the past has been about these meatheads boozing and beating people up and taking recreational drugs.

Big massive +1 here. 'anti-doping' measures in Australian sport is 99.9% about PR and maintaining image. Trouble is most fans have a head well acquainted with sand and are happy for it to stay that way.

Yep. Ben (Cousins) has been removed from the (AFL) system. ?

This is a perfect example of tokenism in anti-doping. The AFL only showed any interest after counsin's (recreational) drug use became public through run-ins with the police, and posed an image problem for the league. Nothing at all to do with performance enhancement, fairly sure crack is performance diminishing if anything...

 

[auscyclefan94]

Cousins was almost certainly using PED's as well as illicit drugs.

 

[auscyclefan94]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/603668.html

Not sure what to make of that. He could be covering up, but if this stuff is getting released to the public then he'll look an idiot.

What drugs would cricketers use to enhance performance? The athletes are at least relatively fit in Cricket, but they aren't super fit athletes like competitors in cycling or AFL, for example. Cricket is largely a skill sport and is about technique. I don't believe there is much doping in Cricket, if any.

 

[Cyivel]

The thing I think could be useful in cricket is recovery for fast bowlers in back to back tests, the schedule is tough on them.

Not saying it is the case, just that when it comes to cricket that would be the one area I could see benefits.

 

[sugarman]

Cousins was almost certainly using PED's as well as illicit drugs.

Totally agree, and that's really the point. Instead of the AFL dealing with a likely doping case they chose to suspend him for a year for bringing the game into disrepute (from memory) when he faced criminal charges - thAt I believe were subsequently dropped anyway.

The whole thing was about appearing 'tough on drugs' while they were actually ignoring the real issue.

Little off topic, but I think recent changes in Aussie rules make it even more attractive to doping. Rule changes to make the game more continuous and a decrease in interchange players make endurance absolutely critical. The effectiveness of relatively unskilled but great running machines like Dane swan late in the 4th quarter is probably an example of this.

 

[Ferminal]

blackcat will like this one...

Former Aust Netball coach was asked what she thought: "I can assure that isn't anywhere in our culture in the female game. To start off our females wouldn't take growth hormones - they like to look like females."

 

[observer]

Totally agree, and that's really the point. Instead of the AFL dealing with a likely doping case they chose to suspend him for a year for bringing the game into disrepute (from memory) when he faced criminal charges - thAt I believe were subsequently dropped anyway.

The whole thing was about appearing 'tough on drugs' while they were actually ignoring the real issue.

Little off topic, but I think recent changes in Aussie rules make it even more attractive to doping. Rule changes to make the game more continuous and a decrease in interchange players make endurance absolutely critical. The effectiveness of relatively unskilled but great running machines like Dane swan late in the 4th quarter is probably an example of this.

It comes as no surprise that Cousin's downfall began when they started testing for HGH.

 

[PCutter]

What drugs would cricketers use to enhance performance? The athletes are at least relatively fit in Cricket, but they aren't super fit athletes like competitors in cycling or AFL, for example. Cricket is largely a skill sport and is about technique. I don't believe there is much doping in Cricket, if any.

Crickets primary concern would be the gambling links rather than doping. But with 20-20 now the primary driver of player dollars and the focus of 20-20 on batting and hitting sixes, the same drugs which help base ballers would be of use for cricketers (batsmen). Bowling probably more about corticoids etc pumping into their shoulders, knee's and ankles to keep them on the field

 

[Dear Wiggo]

What drugs would cricketers use to enhance performance? The athletes are at least relatively fit in Cricket, but they aren't super fit athletes like competitors in cycling or AFL, for example. Cricket is largely a skill sport and is about technique. I don't believe there is much doping in Cricket, if any.

Any that enhance quick reflexes (esp openers), provide endurance for sprinting between wickets all day (stayers at the crease), power for ball delivery, etc, etc.

Basically, and this is only my opinion, the actions (sprinting, throwing, accuracy, catching) required for success in cricket are identical in baseball, and could use the same drugs.

The fact that they are not built like brick dunnies makes it look less likely they are doped to the same extent as baseball players, but the temptation / knowledge / desire to do so would surely be there to the same level?

[Edit: yeah what PCutter said]

 

[peterst6906]

Crickets primary... ...focus... ...on batting and hitting sixes, the same drugs which help base ballers would be of use for cricketers (batsmen). Bowling probably more about corticoids etc pumping into their shoulders, knee's and ankles to keep them on the field

Quick, let's give some to the West Indies, and treat it less as performance enhancing and more as a level playing field issue.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

obviously was a mask.

the thing about the ASADA I cant believe the did a Lance Amstong on him. I was of the opinion Warne was TOO BIG TO FAIL like AIG and Goldmans. He would be protected.

word on the grapevine was his mass spec assays were coming back with funny numbers and then they decided to pop him for the diuretic. like when a highway patrol officer gives you a lesse infingement like failing to use you indicato instead of going 50 miles over the limit.

Just in case you did not realise I was sarcastically mocking his excuse for doping.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/603668.html

Not sure what to make of that. He could be covering up, but if this stuff is getting released to the public then he'll look an idiot.

I think this investigation ended up narrowing down to basically NRL and AFL, maybe ARU as well so there would not be anything directly implicating cricket. However it might well be that some of the people being looked at for supplying drugs to these sports have supplied them to people in other sports including cricket.

 

[Ferminal]

Any that enhance quick reflexes (esp openers), provide endurance for sprinting between wickets all day (stayers at the crease), power for ball delivery, etc, etc.

Basically, and this is only my opinion, the actions (sprinting, throwing, accuracy, catching) required for success in cricket are identical in baseball, and could use the same drugs.

The fact that they are not built like brick dunnies makes it look less likely they are doped to the same extent as baseball players, but the temptation / knowledge / desire to do so would surely be there to the same level?

[Edit: yeah what PCutter said]

Look at something like TB-500, supposedly speeds up muscle repair (do a google search and read the roid forums), how is that not ideal for fast bowlers?

Shane Watson gets injured multiple times a year, he must have tried every legitimate potion available and from there it's not hard to spillover into banned substances.

 

[Alphabet]

The thing I think could be useful in cricket is recovery for fast bowlers in back to back tests, the schedule is tough on them.

Not saying it is the case, just that when it comes to cricket that would be the one area I could see benefits.

Yep, pace bowlers are the only group I can see using/needing dope. It's not baseball, you can't become a superstar or even an effective batsman by having huge biceps and trying to hit 4s and 6s all the time. Reflex improving PEDs for batsmen, as DW suggested, are a possibility; but really, you aren't going to get very far in the sport just by trying to launch sixes all the way to Islamabad off every ball (sly dig at Shahid Afridi).

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

blackcat will like this one...

Former Aust Netball coach was asked what she thought: "I can assure that isn't anywhere in our culture in the female game. To start off our females wouldn't take growth hormones - they like to look like females."

Is it very wrong of me that I burst out laughing when I read that quote?

 

[sugarman]

Any that enhance quick reflexes (esp openers), provide endurance for sprinting between wickets all day (stayers at the crease), power for ball delivery, etc, etc.

Basically, and this is only my opinion, the actions (sprinting, throwing, accuracy, catching) required for success in cricket are identical in baseball, and could use the same drugs.

The fact that they are not built like brick dunnies makes it look less likely they are doped to the same extent as baseball players, but the temptation / knowledge / desire to do so would surely be there to the same level?

[Edit: yeah what PCutter said]

Amphetamines can decrease (improve) reaction times, and enhance concentration, but you don't see too many fidgety, pumped up batsmen. Anecdotally, hGH has been known to improve vision? Pretty important for batting, but I doubt the effect is that pronounced.

Agree there would be a greater possibility in pace bowlers, mostly with recovery and dealing with minor injuries, i.e. corticos.

The last cricketer I can remember getting done for PEDs was Shoaib Aktar - one of the fastest bowlers ever - for nandrolone I think.

Overall I think doping in cricket would be pretty rare. Agree with PCutter that gambling links - match fixing, spot fixing etc - would be a much greater concern.

 

[xrayvision]

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