Bahati screwed by Landis?

[offbyone]

Not so sure they would have been able to finish the season without OUCH/Landis.

From the Clarke interview:

"OUCH was an emergency stop gap, we had money, we ran out, OUCH stepped in for one month, they stepped out," he added. "Our title sponsor is gone so we are working feverishly to get a new one. We are working on a very short term basis right now." - that's from Nathan O'Neill.

Bahati did a deal with the devil so to speak by signing Landis and all his baggage. They needed the sponsor money to survive and were hoping that it would also get them an invite for Tour of California.

They didn't have a viable situation before OUCH/Landis signed on. Maybe with the new management they've just put in place they'll be able to get a new sponsor.

Nevertheless, if Landis didn't put his allegations out there they would still be riding. If Landis made them aware of his plans then no doubt they wouldn't have signed him, but would have instead found another source of funding. Sure Bahati was in a hole, but landis buried them.

 

[Anonymous]

That doesn't excuse what he did to them. As they say, two wrongs don't make a right. Do you think they had a chance to fix their funding problem after their star rider caused possibly some of the worst publicity for pro cycling has seen in years.

If he was even considering putting out these allegations he should not have been riding on a team or he should have disclosed his plans before joining the team. What he did, true or not, was a purely selfish vindictive act. Just like when he asked for donations for his defense and wrote a whole book about himself which turns out to be fiction. Support his cause if you want, but don't excuse him for the harm he has done.

Who was the star rider before Floyd arrived? What did Floyd "do to them?"

They have the same chance to "fix" their funding problem now as before.

I'm not excusing Floyd for anything. I'm just saying it's unfair to blame him for the Bahati team's financial situation.

 

[Anonymous]

Seriously?! It's that someone who Bahati gave a hand to decided to come clean, which is something that Bahati knew FLandis wanted. HOWEVER, in doing so, FLandis threw mud everywhere. Regardless of whether he's telling the truth, FLandis had to KNOW he was cratering not only himself, but also his team. Moreover, if there was a true, contrite heart in there, he KNEW when he signed with Bahati that he was going to do this, so he doubly screwed 'em.

It's amazing how the conspiracy theorists here interpret things...like I said in an earlier thread, this is the perfect situation for them. If it burns, they're proven right; if nothing seriously happens, it's proof of the conspiracy.

Bahati wasn't complaining about the action, but the timing and the impact.

I'd say Floyd signed with Bahati to ride ToC. That didn't happen. BTW, Floyd is not contrite and has stated he does not regret the doping as, in his mind, it was the price of admission to high end cycling (paraphrasing).

Bahati's complaining rings a bit hollow as his team was doomed anyway. At least now he can point his finger at Floyd and say "it's his fault."

 

[Anonymous]

Nevertheless, if Landis didn't put his allegations out there they would still be riding. If Landis made them aware of his plans then no doubt they wouldn't have signed him, but would have instead found another source of funding. Sure Bahati was in a hole, but landis buried them.

Which they have been free to do all along.

 

[offbyone]

Which they have been free to do all along.

You can't really think any cycling organization associated with Floyd Landis is going to be able to lure a sponsor now?

 

[Anonymous]

You can't really think any cycling organization associated with Floyd Landis is going to be able to lure a sponsor now?

Bahati is not associated with Landis.

 

[fatandfast]

Bahati is not associated with Landis.

If you mean anymore then yes. Landis did a big roll out at Nokia Center and said he looked forward to working with Bahati Foundation and enjoyed the role model part of being a racer with the Bahiti squad...now he flipped and says he is a longtime drug user and said a bunch of names. All the names of would be drug users should have been given to a BALCO/WADA prosecution team. Whatever shi-t sticks to the wall after Floyd's toss is yet to be known..I hope anybody he "outed" that is found not guilty sues him in every court that a case can be tried in criminal or civil. The damage Floyd caused to Bahati and Ouch and everybody that has come in contact with him is as close to cycling cancer as you can get. The Bahati/Landis association got Bahati excluded from the Tour of California. I hope Landis eats out of a dirty cat litter box for the rest of his days on earth. Single most destructive person against US cycling that has ever existed

 

[flicker]

If you mean anymore then yes. Landis did a big roll out at Nokia Center and said he looked forward to working with Bahati Foundation and enjoyed the role model part of being a racer with the Bahiti squad...now he flipped and says he is a longtime drug user and said a bunch of names. All the names of would be drug users should have been given to a BALCO/WADA prosecution team. Whatever shi-t sticks to the wall after Floyd's toss is yet to be known..I hope anybody he "outed" that is found not guilty sues him in every court that a case can be tried in criminal or civil. The damage Floyd caused to Bahati and Ouch and everybody that has come in contact with him is as close to cycling cancer as you can get. The Bahati/Landis association got Bahati excluded from the Tour of California. I hope Landis eats out of a dirty cat litter box for the rest of his days on earth. Single most destructive person against US cycling that has ever existed

And a hero to those on this forum who want cycling out of the USA.

 

[Colm.Murphy]

If you mean anymore then yes. Landis did a big roll out at Nokia Center and said he looked forward to working with Bahati Foundation and enjoyed the role model part of being a racer with the Bahiti squad...now he flipped and says he is a longtime drug user and said a bunch of names. All the names of would be drug users should have been given to a BALCO/WADA prosecution team. Whatever shi-t sticks to the wall after Floyd's toss is yet to be known..I hope anybody he "outed" that is found not guilty sues him in every court that a case can be tried in criminal or civil. The damage Floyd caused to Bahati and Ouch and everybody that has come in contact with him is as close to cycling cancer as you can get. The Bahati/Landis association got Bahati excluded from the Tour of California. I hope Landis eats out of a dirty cat litter box for the rest of his days on earth. Single most destructive person against US cycling that has ever existed

The issue of the Bahati team coming to pieces appears to pre-date, as a probable outcome, Landis showing up. I agree he tainted the options the team had once his allegations came to view but that was not geared to injure Bahati. As was mentioned, it appears Dr. Kay came to the financial aid of the team, and it all went belly up, for several reasons.

The fact that Landis yanked the carpet from underfoot the most fraudulent generation of racers from the United States only support the idea that he should be applauded for not wanting to be part of it anymore.

If he ends up destroying US cycling, it will have come to pass as a consequence of possibly one of the largest sporting frauds in the history of sport.

You seem to take all of this quite personally. To be sure, the more I research this, the USPS team, the doping, the Weisel purchase of and placement of his puppets at USA Cycling, the bullying and legal jamming Lance has done, this scenario is rotten right to the core. From your posts, it sounds like you have some affiliation with that world. Care to elaborate?

In your statement, Landis is a cancer, it would seem more accurate to call him the Chemo, with Lance (and cronies) as the cancer. Chemo does leave the afflicted weakened and sickly but if the cancer abatement is successful, a full return to life can be possible.

 

[Anonymous]

If you mean anymore then yes. Landis did a big roll out at Nokia Center and said he looked forward to working with Bahati Foundation and enjoyed the role model part of being a racer with the Bahiti squad...now he flipped and says he is a longtime drug user and said a bunch of names. All the names of would be drug users should have been given to a BALCO/WADA prosecution team. Whatever shi-t sticks to the wall after Floyd's toss is yet to be known..I hope anybody he "outed" that is found not guilty sues him in every court that a case can be tried in criminal or civil. The damage Floyd caused to Bahati and Ouch and everybody that has come in contact with him is as close to cycling cancer as you can get. The Bahati/Landis association got Bahati excluded from the Tour of California. I hope Landis eats out of a dirty cat litter box for the rest of his days on earth. Single most destructive person against US cycling that has ever existed

You sound an awful lot like Mike Sayers unloading on Joe Papp.

BTW, Dr. Kay still supports Floyd.

Yep, really awful now that the truth is coming out. If Floyd's lying about all these guys then why should they wait to sue Floyd? I wonder why that has not happened (yet)?

 

[Anonymous]

And a hero to those on this forum who want cycling out of the USA.

Floyd's not a hero of mine. He's clearly a very flawed individual.

If your point is that pro cycling and it's tifosi would be better off in the long run just turning a blind eye to the absolute corruption that has consumed this sport then we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[scribe]

And a hero to those on this forum who want cycling out of the USA.

Burn.it.down.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Nevertheless, if Landis didn't put his allegations out there they would still be riding. If Landis made them aware of his plans then no doubt they wouldn't have signed him, but would have instead found another source of funding. Sure Bahati was in a hole, but landis buried them.

Do you actually read what you write?

Here is what Bahati himself said:

"I knew that Floyd wanted to come clean, better himself and get that burden off him. I didn’t know he was going to name names.”

Bahati was in a hole - Floyd with OUCH could have helped but instead Bahati would rather sit in the hole because Floyd "named names"....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Burn.it.down.

Pretty lame way of thinking, the only person who made that claim on this thread was this guy:

Well. Cycling MUST burn to be rebuilt...... so let it burn.

I am sure 'stawmen' burn well.

 

[fatandfast]

You sound an awful lot like Mike Sayers unloading on Joe Papp.

BTW, Dr. Kay still supports Floyd.

Yep, really awful now that the truth is coming out. If Floyd's lying about all these guys then why should they wait to sue Floyd? I wonder why that has not happened (yet)?

I am not mad at Floyd for telling the truth..whatever that is and for certain it will not be absolute. His few years of saying one thing and then saying some other truth is silly. His emails indicate as he solicited entry into the ToC that he had no intention on telling the "truth" until his career rebirth was aborted. I certainly agree with everybody here who wants cycling to be free of dopers and doper culture. The court of public opinion needs no facts just the tweeted/emailed/blogged/urban legend hype that is all Landis has been since he was tossed from the Tour and had his results overturned. If Lance or George is dirty or anybody else they deserve punishment. Given the scope and time line of Landis's accusations the named riders will take awhile to file suits against Landis. Also given that Landis has a net worth of negative 1 billion dollars the Floyd is full of crap press conference may be the extent of legal proceedings by lots of regular riders who don't have the extra 50-100k it will take to clear their name. Landis is so bitter that he shared needles and trainers with other people that never got caught, he thinks showing that somebody else is also guilty will make him look better. Just wrong. He is a clown on every level. I will wait to see if Amazon changes Floyd's book to the fiction section. I hope that one of the courts that listened to Landis's appeal find him in some kind of legal contempt. He sat there and looked at a judge and lied so the moral contempt is already proven. My cats have his dinner ready.

 

[Anonymous]

Bahati really seems like more of a top to me...

 

[scribe]

Pretty lame way of thinking, the only person who made that claim on this thread was this guy:


I am sure 'stawmen' burn well.

I am consistent!

 

[BroDeal]

Looks like a certain circle of jerks are grasping at any straws they can find to attack FLandis. I guess LA central command's official talking point about an angry, unstable drunk never stuck. Now it's the heartless guy who destroyed his own broke ass team and betrayed American cycling.

Maybe you guys should chip in a few bucks. It would probably double Bahati's pre-OUCH budget.

The only interesting thing about Team Bahati and FLandis is that the black list on Landis was so effective that the only job in cycling that he could find was a spot on a regional crit team with money issues. The current FLandis affair is a direct result of the UCI black balling him. McQuaid, yet again, has proven himself to be an idiot of epic proportions.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I am not mad at Floyd for telling the truth..whatever that is and for certain it will not be absolute. His few years of saying one thing and then saying some other truth is silly. His emails indicate as he solicited entry into the ToC that he had no intention on telling the "truth" until his career rebirth was aborted. I certainly agree with everybody here who wants cycling to be free of dopers and doper culture. The court of public opinion needs no facts just the tweeted/emailed/blogged/urban legend hype that is all Landis has been since he was tossed from the Tour and had his results overturned. If Lance or George is dirty or anybody else they deserve punishment. Given the scope and time line of Landis's accusations the named riders will take awhile to file suits against Landis. Also given that Landis has a net worth of negative 1 billion dollars the Floyd is full of crap press conference may be the extent of legal proceedings by lots of regular riders who don't have the extra 50-100k it will take to clear their name. Landis is so bitter that he shared needles and trainers with other people that never got caught, he thinks showing that somebody else is also guilty will make him look better. Just wrong. He is a clown on every level. I will wait to see if Amazon changes Floyd's book to the fiction section. I hope that one of the courts that listened to Landis's appeal find him in some kind of legal contempt. He sat there and looked at a judge and lied so the moral contempt is already proven. My cats have his dinner ready.

Its interesting to read a post like this -which has nothing to do with Bahati.

Landis is not the first rider to implicate Lance, in fact there is almost nothing in Landis emails that anyone who knows about Pro Cycling didn't know before.

Indeed you are right - you could dismiss his 'allegations' as a bitter, blackmailing etc former teammate - so why can't you?? Its because you know that most of what Floyd has said is true.

And because this time it is subject to scrutiny from outside of Pro Cycling, and even worse its a Federal investigation

Lance is gone - forget about him - if Cycling in the US is to restore its credibility then you need to start looking at USAC and the administration who look the other way as the sport goes from one mess to the next.

 

[Anonymous]

I am not mad at Floyd for telling the truth.

Yes you are. Period. End of statement.

 

[flicker]

Burn.it.down.

I do not have an issue with Floyd telling the truth. It is how he did it. It is just slimey.Why did Floyd fight WADA? Why did he destroy his marriage?It is
like Floyd did not want to tell the truth but since Floyd didn't get what he wanted he told. I hate to say it but sometimes we(including Floyd) need to watch our actions. All the best to Floyd though. He will walk the earth like Mel Gibson in the Road Warrior.

 

[progressor]

I do not have an issue with Floyd telling the truth. It is how he did it. It is just slimey.Why did Floyd fight WADA? Why did he destroy his marriage?It is
like Floyd did not want to tell the truth but since Floyd didn't get what he wanted he told. I hate to say it but sometimes we(including Floyd) need to watch our actions. All the best to Floyd though. He will walk the earth like Mel Gibson in the Road Warrior.

Because he got done for something he wasn't taking and didn't understand the game.

 

[chirobike]

Well...

I think the sponsorship deal is simple. It's all charitable b/c Bahati is a good cyclist...not a great cyclist. How many people outside of cycling know him? So what marketable value does his team have with his name as title? His charity is for inner city kids...how many of those inner city kids buy $3K-$10K bikes? Or any of the products that are marketed to disposable income people like those spending money in cycling? It's a nice charity, a good mission but the problem may be in the execution of making it a professional cycling team versus a charity ride, etc., to raise awareness and money.

Personally, there aren't that many black people (I don't say African American b/c this site is international and many black people are not from Africa) in cycling and it would be nice, perhaps, to see an all black cycling team competing with sponsors who can market specifically to their cause & group.

I see many, many Asian teams and we (who follow auto racing) all know the token Japanese F1 drivers are there b/c of the sponsors-not so much b/c of results. Same with the big Chinese guy on the old Discovery team. I would like to see more minority endurance athletes in bicycle racing. I've been involved over 25 years and nothing has changed...an all black team may raise more awareness to Compton California than your typical lineup of a domestic team of out of work pro cyclists. (There are all too many of those now...cryin' shame).

I think Floyd's contribution was dragging his old sponsors with him. He may be a doper but that hip still works and it's no joke. It's artificial and he's a pro cyclist...that says a lot about that hardware regardless of who is using it. That alone is still worth some sponsorship money.

Anyway, just a thought.

 

[DAOTEC]

Tuesday, July 20, 2010

““The Bahati Foundation is alive" - "Over the past year, I have learned some valuable lessons'

Bahati earlier issued a peculiar Twitter message early on Tuesday, stating that some things had happened which he did not approve of. “What would you do if someone deleted your facebook, twitter & website? I have some re-shuffling 2do. Thanks for taking away from the kids,” he wrote.

He confirmed that he knew who the parties responsible for the deletions were. --You naughty boys

Full coverage: VN

 

[BroDeal]

Bahati earlier issued a peculiar Twitter message early on Tuesday, stating that some things had happened which he did not approve of. “What would you do if someone deleted your facebook, twitter & website? I have some re-shuffling 2do. Thanks for taking away from the kids,” he wrote.

He confirmed that he knew who the parties responsible for the deletions were. --You naughty boys

Full coverage: VN

Sounds like an employee was not getting paid, so he decided to destroy the work that he was doing..