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Looking at how well Gadu and the AG2R guys are climbing I don't buy the classic "poor French" narrative either, reality is probably a lot more nuanced.how bad were the last two days? This bad:
L’Ukrainien Mark Padun, double vainqueur d’étape en montagne, crée un malaise sur le Dauphiné
Sans grandes références en haute-montagne, l’Ukrainien de l’équipe Bahrain a remporté à la surprise générale les deux dernières étape du Criwww.leparisien.fr
Posters banding about 5.8-6 W/kg as typical means nothing and misses the point
Its not the power to weight alone ...its for how long and in what conditions
Hell I could probably doo 6 W/Kg for a few minutes
Padun " climbed today Col de Joux Plane at ~6,0 w/kg in 34 min 53 sec, the fastest time recorded since 2000. He was quicker than the group of favourites despite riding alone from the breakaway. "
That is not an improvement from nowhere that is an annihilation of everyone else
And it is well dodgy
I dont care how nice he is or how much his Mom or Jesus wants him to win
You dont improve like this from no where
You lose 4.5 Kg in 2 weeks (itself suspect) and suddenly you are the new Indurain )
glowinginthefuckingdarkMark Padun's two wins are the most suspicious thing happening on the World Tour since .... since Horner? #glowinginthedark
Thank *** he wasn't African, eh?Eastern European guy
So you are across every pro in the peloton? I think his and Bahrain’s performance says it all. Caruso in the Giro too.That says more about you then about Padun, though.
The problem is that this is the Bahrain thread, not the Padun thread. We can take one stage in isolation. Two, we start to wonder. Then the history. Then Caruso. Then Haig. If you take one in isolation you might be able to defend it. The problem is when you start to add them all together. But let's wait to see what happens later.In my opinion nothing is clearly off. He is 24 years old. This is pretty normal to have breakthrough performance at that age. Not everyone are Remco or MVdP-like wonderkids. Also he didn't do any "alien" performance. He was just riding along for 5 stages, staying fresh and then threw everything he got for the last two stages. And he hit jackpot. He won't be able to do that on TdF, because there will be 20-40 other guys in their top form, trying to do the same thing. Dauphine is World Tour, but it is still training race for most top guys.
Yep, today it was around 5.8-5.9 W/kg. Still normal.
If Padun wanted to beat Indurain's time he should've gained 4.5 kg instead. I'll never understand how someone at close to my height and weight could climb like that.Then lets put the somewhat subjective W/kg measure aside (no one knows his exact weight, we don't have a Padun Strava).
LA PLAGNE | #Dauphine
until roundabout
15.21 km, 7.74 %, 1178 m
Tour de France 1995 | 40:49 | Miguel Indurain
Dauphine 2021 | 41:24 | Mark Padun
Indurain dropped Pantani and Gotti by 2:30 and Rominger/Chiapucci/Virenque by 4:00 that day. VAM of 1695. Are we seriously arguing that this is not an absolutely eormous performance?
Still seems to have some apologists though.glowinginthefuckingdark
The problem is that this is the Bahrain thread, not the Padun thread. We can take one stage in isolation. Two, we start to wonder. Then the history. Then Caruso. Then Haig. If you take one in isolation you might be able to defend it. The problem is when you start to add them all together. But let's wait to see what happens later.
Haig's performance was perfectly in line with his progression since turning pro - Haig had two seconds in stage races in Spain before the lockdown in 2020 and was 4th in PN in 2019.
but its pronounced "hay-SOOS" and its a name of his doctorPadun literally found Jesus.
Sure. Not thinking that they are clean. It's just that Padun/Bahrain are blatantly obvious and going way over the top, so that others start to speak about it.Looking at how well Gadu and the AG2R guys are climbing I don't buy the classic "poor French" narrative either, reality is probably a lot more nuanced.
That is also what drew my attention. I mean, the guy was griding 60 rpm all the time, if you looked at him you wouldn't say he's going fast. he looked so "heavy". I know every rider has his own style, preferred cadence etc. but Padun looked so inefficient on his bike, that it made his performance even more ridiculous.Anyway I wonder what the explanation will be if Padun maintains this level. High cadence and looking at your power numbers is dead. It's all about this innovative new low cadence, don't look at your power numbers approach. Other teams are just behind the curve.
Well he was climbing with the very best in last Giro's third week so it wouldn't surprise me one bit.so what's next? Domian Novak destroying the peloton in Suisse?
Consistency has been his biggest issue since turning pro. So, while in general I would agree with you, watching him being the fastest rider uphill for two consecutive days in a very competitive field (he was faster than the peloton on Joux Plane) was a real surprise.Why shouldn't he repeat it today? He showed yesterday that he was the strongest rider uphill in the race, today he was in a big breakaway and had to beat Konrad and Vingegaard. He was fast, sure -- but I didn't expect his legs to disappear overnight.
Like I never notice outrage that a tiny skinny guy like Tom Pidcock has incredible power to sprint and win against guys like van Aert in the toughest races. It's not super weird that the same van Aert is strongest in every kind of race from the start of august until the end of october. It's not super weird how no name guys from Sunweb and Ineos destroyed the Giro third week last year.