Baron Coe, cleans?

[blackcat]

The Russians are very persuasive. They make people agree with them after short discussions.

Now, please, come celebrate with us. We have vodka and woman waiting for you. No cameras I can assure you. We want to make you as comfortable as possible.

honey pots are unnerated.

FSB, KGB, Mossad, Shinbet, do the honeypot better than others...

Mordechai Vanunu FTW

 

[thehog]

honey pots are unnerated.

FSB, KGB, Mossad, Shinbet, do the honeypot better than others...

Mordechai Vanunu FTW

Australian honeypots?

The leading professional athletes in Australia are at risk of being blackmailed into match-fixing, according to an organised crime detective.

The NSW Police Organised Crime Squad is addressing match-fixing, in particular the use of 'honey trapping', where players are set up to cheat on their spouse then blackmailed with the evidence.

Detective Superintendent Scott Cook has claimed that most sports have already been infiltrated by match fixing, with players sabotaging their events to benefit criminals

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...organised-crime-operations.html#ixzz3SoTjY5B8

 

[blackcat]

Australian honeypots?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...organised-crime-operations.html#ixzz3SoTjY5B8

the Australians are so hopeless they cant even name it correct.

Its honey pot. I think you need to make it a noun as adjective, but not a verb, like honey potting or honey trapping. Who is the bear who likes honey, we aint bears, the sub editor needs to get the sack or there is no sub editor. the term is honey-pot. anyway, dailymail makes Rupert's redtops look like the New Yorker or NY Book Review. but with t!ts. If the New Yorker or the NY Book Review had t!ts on page 3.

 

[neineinei]

I used to love those 1500 metre and 800 metre races between Coe and Ovett doping or not. Rivalry in sport is good to watch. But in those days every communist on the track was doping so why not the Brits and how could they compete otherwise ?

It wasn't just the athletes from behind the iron curtain we know for a fact were doping, even though IAAF and IOC did their best to not catch anyone but a few sacrifical lambs.

The Dubin inquiry after Ben Johnsons 1988 Olympics mega splash left no doubt, steroids were all over the place. If anyone still had any doubt they could get the American version from Joe Bidens hearings, or the Australian version from the Black report. The Finnish long distance runners were blood doping with great sucsess while it still wasn't prohibited and the Italian athletics federation was using Conconi to optimise their preparations.

The head of the Italian athletics federation at the time was Primo Nebiolo. He went on to become the head of IAAF, a position he had till he died in 1999. Nebiolo did an excelent job of squashing anti-doping efforts. The 1983 IAAF World Championships no positives is legendary and Nebiolo at his best. When Nebiolo died in 1999 he was followed by Lamine Diack as head of IAAF. It is Diack Coe is seeking to follow. When you become head of IAAF you are set for life.

 

[movingtarget]

It wasn't just the athletes from behind the iron curtain we know for a fact were doping, even though IAAF and IOC did their best to not catch anyone but a few sacrifical lambs.

The Dubin inquiry after Ben Johnsons 1988 Olympics mega splash left no doubt, steroids were all over the place. If anyone still had any doubt they could get the American version from Joe Bidens hearings, or the Australian version from the Black report. The Finnish long distance runners were blood doping with great sucsess while it still wasn't prohibited and the Italian athletics federation was using Conconi to optimise their preparations.

The head of the Italian athletics federation at the time was Primo Nebiolo. He went on to become the head of IAAF, a position he had till he died in 1999. Nebiolo did an excelent job of squashing anti-doping efforts. The 1983 IAAF World Championships no positives is legendary and Nebiolo at his best. When Nebiolo died in 1999 he was followed by Lamine Diack as head of IAAF. It is Diack Coe is seeking to follow. When you become head of IAAF you are set for life.

Yes of course doping was across the board. The famous Olympic 100 metre Final that Ben Johnson won, all eight runners were supposed to have doped. The Finnish runner Lasse Viren was supposed to have liked to drink reindeer blood but obviously it was a lot more than that. I remember seeing a disturbing documentary about an East German woman who I think was a discus or Shot Put champion that had taken so much testosterone and other things for so long that she basically became a man. And ended up living as a man and changing her identity and gender. She admitted that she had been doping since high school. Taking the stuff before her natural body had fully developed. A very sad story.

 

[zebedee]

Australian honeypots?

No such thing can exist, an impossibility; they speak strine for one thing. Imagine that and the odd 'didgeridoo' coming out her mouth, plus the flies and corks.

 

[Nellyspania]

IAAF: the foundation that proudly inducted Marita Koch to it's Hall of Fame.
Tells you all you need to know really.

 

[neineinei]

Yes of course doping was across the board. The famous Olympic 100 metre Final that Ben Johnson won, all eight runners were supposed to have doped. The Finnish runner Lasse Viren was supposed to have liked to drink reindeer blood but obviously it was a lot more than that. I remember seeing a disturbing documentary about an East German woman who I think was a discus or Shot Put champion that had taken so much testosterone and other things for so long that she basically became a man. And ended up living as a man and changing her identity and gender. She admitted that she had been doping since high school. Taking the stuff before her natural body had fully developed. A very sad story.

Only one East German athlete (Ilona Schoknecht) was caught in a doping test. That's how good the anti-doping work was.

The Doping-Opfer-Hilfe-Verein in Germany, on the other hand, is busy.

So far 700 cases have been reported in the DOH, according to estimates, there are a total of 2000 cases with irreversible damage.

https://translate.google.com/transl...eten-die-bis-aktiv-waren-1.2361276&edit-text=

 

[More Strides than Rides]

A good look at Coe's professional experience with ethics:
http://eightlane.org/jobs-for-the-boys-sebastian-coe-is-part-of-the-problem-not-the-solution/

 

[zebedee]

There's more to Coe than meets the eye. And certainly there's stuff he'd rather you didn't know and in fact once took steps to prevent you knowing:-

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/03/1086203563118.html

Read into that what you will. Compare it with the sh.t the politician came out with at the time he separated when 'no one else was involved':-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-149725/Seb-Coe-splits-wife-13-years.html

Like him keeping schtum on the latest IAAF doping rumpus, supposedly because of due process.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.

 

[Hawkwood]

There's more to Coe than meets the eye. And certainly there's stuff he'd rather you didn't know and in fact once took steps to prevent you knowing:-

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/03/1086203563118.html

Read into that what you will. Compare it with the sh.t the politician came out with at the time he separated when 'no one else was involved':-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-149725/Seb-Coe-splits-wife-13-years.html

Like him keeping schtum on the latest IAAF doping rumpus, supposedly because of due process.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.

The Mail article is hilarious, it's hardly coded at all, `Olympic gold medallist Sebastian Coe, who received a life peerage for his services to William Hague...'!

 

[zebedee]

'Servicing of', some say, would be a tad more accurate.

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

I know that you can never rule out any possibilities in sport when it comes doping, but Sebastian Coe. ??
A claim like that requires extraordinary proof. I really doubt that Coe ever touched the sauce. After all the guy was an absolutely huge talent and his training work ethic was second to none. I would have to say that Coe was cleans. Give credit where credit is due.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Re:

I know that you can never rule out any possibilities in sport when it comes doping, but Sebastian Coe. ??
A claim like that requires extraordinary proof. I really doubt that Coe ever touched the sauce. After all the guy was an absolutely huge talent and his training work ethic was second to none. I would have to say that Coe was cleans. Give credit where credit is due.

There is no evidence, true (except for a RR tweet about him being a Conconi client which has not been backed up with any more info), but there is also no evidence that he has a different morality than any other pro athlete. No indication that he was a harder worker than anyone else, that he "wanted it more" or whatever a person could say... That is just the hype machine talking.

You don't have to have a Benotti69 level of skepticism, but idealism (idolism?) is not a good starting point either when talking about pro athletes.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

I know that you can never rule out any possibilities in sport when it comes doping, but Sebastian Coe. ??
A claim like that requires extraordinary proof. I really doubt that Coe ever touched the sauce. After all the guy was an absolutely huge talent and his training work ethic was second to none. I would have to say that Coe was cleans. Give credit where credit is due.

compare like to like. ceteris paribus.

at Coe's level, all have off the bell curve standard deviation removed type talent.

all have the work ethic.

Coe not unique in these instances, or parameters you have invoked.

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

Re: Re:

I know that you can never rule out any possibilities in sport when it comes doping, but Sebastian Coe. ??
A claim like that requires extraordinary proof. I really doubt that Coe ever touched the sauce. After all the guy was an absolutely huge talent and his training work ethic was second to none. I would have to say that Coe was cleans. Give credit where credit is due.

compare like to like. ceteris paribus.

at Coe's level, all have off the bell curve standard deviation removed type talent.

all have the work ethic.

Coe not unique in these instances, or parameters you have invoked.

His World Records at 800 metres, 1000 metres, and Mile were set in 1981 and that was before blood doping was
outlawed in 1986. But Conconi, where exactly does he come into the equation. ? I don't think that Coe was making
much in the way of money from Athletics during this period ??.

 

[GuyIncognito]

'I'm not the paragon many think. This sport makes honest people dishonest' - Coe

The context of the quote is that after years of denying he took money under the table, he admitted it when confronted with written proof.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I know that you can never rule out any possibilities in sport when it comes doping, but Sebastian Coe. ??
A claim like that requires extraordinary proof. I really doubt that Coe ever touched the sauce. After all the guy was an absolutely huge talent and his training work ethic was second to none. I would have to say that Coe was cleans. Give credit where credit is due.

compare like to like. ceteris paribus.

at Coe's level, all have off the bell curve standard deviation removed type talent.

all have the work ethic.

Coe not unique in these instances, or parameters you have invoked.

His World Records at 800 metres, 1000 metres, and Mile were set in 1981 and that was before blood doping was
outlawed in 1986. But Conconi, where exactly does he come into the equation. ? I don't think that Coe was making
much in the way of money from Athletics during this period ??.

his profile would have provided him with opportunities and future wealth from this. It would not be like he was the other guy who was struggling with his rent, Graeme Obree

 

[neineinei]

Re:

I know that you can never rule out any possibilities in sport when it comes doping, but Sebastian Coe. ??
A claim like that requires extraordinary proof. I really doubt that Coe ever touched the sauce. After all the guy was an absolutely huge talent and his training work ethic was second to none. I would have to say that Coe was cleans. Give credit where credit is due.

"Cleans" in ten days.

 

[sniper]

there's no way he wasn't transfusing blood.

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

Re:

there's no way he wasn't transfusing blood.

You seem emphatically sure and convinced......

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

Kaarlo Hannes Maaninka of Finland won a bronze medal at the 1980 Olympic 5000 Metre Final, cheating an undoubtedly
clean Eamon Coghlan out of the medals by only 0.8 seconds, with the Finnish athlete of course later admitting to using
blood transfusions during those Olympics, when of course it was not a banned practice at the time.

 

[sniper]

exactly, it wasn't illegal and his competitors were doing it, so no way the Lord wasn't doing it as well.

 

[MagnificentMerckx]

Re:

exactly, it wasn't illegal and his competitors were doing it, so no way the Lord wasn't doing it as well.

I fully respect your opinion. Suspicion does indeed abound. But personally, I would not be willing to make such a leap of faith, unless there were of course solid evidence. That is the way that things work in the real world. Suspicion alone is not enough. Things like these require proof. Opinions of suspicion are just that. Opinions do not constitute proof. Unless clear and solid evidence can be provided, Baron Coe remains clean.

 

[SeriousSam]

I wonder what it is about Sir Sebastian Newbold Coe, Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, that makes you require "extraordinary" evidence to even entertain the notion of PED use.