Basso`s time on Lo Zoncolan

[B.Rasmussen]

WOWWW did you see BASSO the way he was pedalling the style the way hes face same when he was challenging AMSTRONG in the tour de france before he get caugth since back too the sport he did nothing then on a day of yesterday he was flying then the others was stand still huhuhuhhu somenthing wrong i hope he get caugth again with drug hes impossible what he did not even tired at the finish common guys open your eyes???????????
also hes team was very dirty has the italian too some riders hes the worst tour i never see so much descrimination from the italian then doctor ferrari must be laughing ???????????????????

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Seems you are out of periods, so here are some of mine. You can keep them, I have more.

 

[Joey_J]

Very silly all this comparing of times. Compare riders on identical or near-identical equipment on a track. Otherwise wayyy too many variables.

Then what's the point of the thread and what's the point of Dr Sassi's comments?

If..
1, The stage was 50 miles shorter.
2, The Zoncolan wasn't preceded by a hard pace over other tuff climbs. (Some good riders were dropped before they even got to the Zoncolan)
3, The stage wasn’t preceded by a brutal stage and a brutal week of racing and weather.
Then Basso would have ridden a 39:05.
And if Basso would have ridden a 39:05, what would the good Doctor have said? Or those on the forum?

 

[theswordsman]

Basso looks an odds on doper again for me. Crap uphill a couple of weeks ago, he takes the stage up Zoncolan!(?)

I think he's peaking right now, at the perfect time. Vino and Cadel peaked too early for the Giro, winning other races like the classics and Trentino. They might be hurting this week.

Aldo Sassi only agreed to take on Basso if he was clean. He posts his workouts, SRM data and test results to the Mapei website. You can register for free to view.

 

[Escarabajo]

I am shock that the Basso I saw climbing Monte Zoncolan had a power output between 5.5 to 5.7 W/kg. Maybe my computer screen is making the riders look like they are going faster. Where is my calculator?

 

[Ferminal]

Let's just see where he finishes today, relative to Franco.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

What was his numbers (W/kg) in the final climb of the previous mountain stages (stage 8 and 14)?

 

[Escarabajo]

Let's just see where he finishes today, relative to Franco.

+1.

It would be easier to check. Are we talking about the same exact time trial?

 

[131313]

I'm tired right now, so I wasted some time playing with some numbers and watching some videos. Unfortunately I have no power files, but I do know riders with files from both times this TT was done, so I'll try to get those, mainly to see if they started and ended at the same place.

It didn't appear windy either day, temperate was within a couple of degrees. The road seems slightly faster this year, as the gravel appears less loose than in the previous TT. However, let's say the conditions were the same.

I'm getting 5.78 w/kg for Evans. For an effort in the low 40 minutes, that seems reasonable. Really, really good, but it's not completely unbelievable. I know with 100% certainly a clean rider is capable of 5.6 w/kg for 45 minutes, though that's rested. I leave it to others to judge my maths and my speculation.

One thing I found funny was that I tossed in an extra 10% power (for a good reaction to a full program) and I got 6.4 w/kg, which despite what I read on the internet, I just don't believe is possible undoped. And, I came up with times very similar to the last time the race was done. (6.4 was what I estimated for Simoni, though due to the looser gravel, it was probably a little more).

 

[Leopejo]

It didn't appear windy either day, temperate was within a couple of degrees. The road seems slightly faster this year, as the gravel appears less loose than in the previous TT.

I don't know in 2008, but this year there was a strong wind that was mainly a headwind in the first part (up to Passo Furcia) and then a side wind. That's what many riders reported.

The gravel was in a better condition and permitted out of the saddle riding everywhere, contrary to 2008.

 

[131313]

I don't know in 2008, but this year there was a strong wind that was mainly a headwind in the first part (up to Passo Furcia) and then a side wind. That's what many riders reported.

The gravel was in a better condition and permitted out of the saddle riding everywhere, contrary to 2008.

Thanks. Doing some real handwaving, there could be a 20 second difference due to the headwind, and a 30-40 second difference due to the gravel being in better shape, so I think it's probably fair to say that the course was probably equally fast this year, or a little faster.

I don't want to make too much of my back of napkin analysis. Maybe the Science of Sport guys or Alex Simmons can do something with a little more rigor. However, unlike Verbier, this climb is actually steep, which lessens the effect a little of both rolling resistance and wind.

Also, the course looks like it doubles back on itself on the flatter section (it's actually a little less steep after the turn) so it's possible that a headwind at the start could be a slight net advantage. I've never ridden this climb, so I don't know if there's a prevailing wind. I do know that wind on climbs can make calculations difficult. Having ridden up Verbier in training, I can tell you that there seems to be a tailwind the whole way, even in the switchbacks. Very weird, but wind interacts with mountains in a funny way.

Anyway, I'm not making any claims or speculations about who is and isn't clean, I just think it's fun to speculate on what sort of wattage these guys were doing, so I can see how my own w/kg would have placed!

 

[Michielveedeebee]

I am shock that the Basso I saw climbing Monte Zoncolan had a power output between 5.5 to 5.7 W/kg. Maybe my computer screen is making the riders look like they are going faster. Where is my calculator?

that is pretty normal for a pro... i mean I have a power output of 5... in doctors test..

 

[Escarabajo]

that is pretty normal for a pro... i mean I have a power output of 5... in doctors test..

That's exactly what I mean. I thought it was higher than that.

 

[thehog]

Basso posted his blood vaules online:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4...port-numbers-from-Giro-dItalia-published.aspx

Ivan Basso's hematocrit values decreased by 4.3 percentage points on his way to winning the Giro d'Italia last month. Italian newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport published yesterday the results of three controls used for Basso's biological passport.

The newspaper published results from three tests, showing a drop in hematocrit and haemoglobin values – indicating a clean performance. The first control was in Amsterdam, two days before the race started (43% hematocrit, 13.9g/dl haemoglobin), the second control was on the second rest day, between the stage to Monte Zoncolan and Plan de Coronas (40.9, 13.3) and the final control was in Verona on the morning of the last stage (38.7, 12.9).

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Well at least they're getting the hang of this "posting your parameters online" malarkey now